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weirdopo wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Do they actually shut down the mass relays? From what I remember, their attacks were always so effective because they essentially wiped out the main government/military seats in the initial strike (They're always concentrated on the citadel, remember), and that was enough to launch everything into galaxy-wide disarray, which the Reapers then took advantage of.

I don't remember seeing anything about the Reapers only going planet-by-planet, or shutting off the mass relays as they went. In fact, that seems like it might be counter-productive, since they rely on the relays to get around as well.

My theroy is:

With the Citadel Relay disabled, the Reapers would have to come through the other nearby relay, but that would mean running into the Alliance fleet which has replaced the Citadel Fleet. So, the Reapers attack Earth to try and force the Alliance to recall their ships, so that the Reapers could go and take the Citadel with considerably less resistance.

or the reapers attack earth to have the citadel fleet fall into a reaper trap thus if shepard dosent stop em with his squad the citadel shuts down and earth is blown to hell

[Saren100]

This attempt at Galactic Genocide will be the reapers version of Barbarossa.

They will be bogged down by the snow and lost most of there forces to frost bite.

[Whatever42]

If you've done something 740 times with little resistance, how well prepared would you be for a real fight? We grow stronger through struggle, not easy wins.

[PHub88]

Im not claiming to know it all..I dont know near as much as most on here

But im fairly sure its not easy for the Reapers to win...It took the Reapers centuries to wipe out the Protheans even while crippling them in the very first attack....

The derelict Reaper was destroyed by a seriously powerful weapon...IDK if they ever clarified if the Reaper was destroyed 37 million years ago, or was just that old...but either way...We have enough info to know the Reapers just didnt walk around picking flowers...obviously some of these species battled back...even KILLED some of the Reapers...yet they still remain the top dogs in the end.

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PHub88 wrote...

Im not claiming to know it all..I dont know near as much as most on here

But im fairly sure its not easy for the Reapers to win...It took the Reapers centuries to wipe out the Protheans even while crippling them in the very first attack....

The derelict Reaper was destroyed by a seriously powerful weapon...IDK if they ever clarified if the Reaper was destroyed 37 million years ago, or was just that old...but either way...We have enough info to know the Reapers just didnt walk around picking flowers...obviously some of these species battled back...even KILLED some of the Reapers...yet they still remain the top dogs in the end.

i wonder if theres some form of cycle for how long the reapers attack. are we looking at months , years or centuries?

[PHub88]

No clue...all the info I think there is is tha they come every 50,000 years approx...and it took a couple hundred years for them to defeat the Protheans.

Also, Sovereign said "Our numbers will darken the sky of every planet" but there seems to be debate on whether they attack different places at once...or focus on certain places first.

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PHub88 wrote...

No clue...all the info I think there is is tha they come every 50,000 years approx...and it took a couple hundred years for them to defeat the Protheans.

Also, Sovereign said "Our numbers will darken the sky of every planet" but there seems to be debate on whether they attack different places at once...or focus on certain places first.

thats why im kinda thinking this time around the reapers may create a diversion to trap the human fleet wile trying to re-open the citadel to assume direct controll. remember what harbinger says he said we will find another way so could that mean a strategy strike?

[PHub88]

Anythings possible...The Reapers built the Citadel...im sure they could find a way to fix it if they wanted to....eh...this is spoiler free but it cant say without sort of mentioning one...dont read this if anyone hasnt beat ME2....There would be little point in fixing the Citadel because end of ME2 shows the Reapers headed here already? Or that could of just been an ending that shows a future event...no clue...all I know is they needed the Citadel to quickly warp to the Galaxy...and they appear to somehow already be on the move.

Also, im not sure attacking Earth would be a good distraction...I dont think the Citadel fleet would leave to come help Earth so other Reapers could attack the Citadel easier...besides its the Turians I think who have the largest amount of fighters in Citadel space.

[Meaningless]

People get serious..

Reapers are dreadnoughts. In ME universe only a dreadnought can fight another (according to info so far). While I would surely bet on a reaper win against any dreadnought of the milky-way, we should still assume a reaper could be taken down by 1 of our dreadnoughts (I would bet against the reaper if it was 2 of us versus 1 of them in a fight).

How many dreads we have? If I do recall it correctly, turians have 39, asari 20, salarians 16 and humans 8.

Non-council races like batarians or geth (which other races?) may have some more to add.

If the "milky-way fleet" is given time to be formed (starting with citadel council not being the idiots they have been in ME2), if that happens, while I still believe the reapers would win, they would have a serious battle to fight.

We don't know exactly how reapers come to exist, so maybe they aren't very forthcoming with losing even a small number of themselves.

Questions to ask: Can the reapers attack the Citadel 1st? Do they have means to block mass relay access across our entire galaxy? Can't we block their access? Are the reapers prepared to accept losses? Maybe reapers have devised an strategy that starts with earth, or maybe we were forced to trap them into our solar system... maybe all plans currently into effect or being forged by both sides can backfire..


There is too much info we don't know.. the most reliable information so far is that they seem to be a larger number of dreadnoughts than we actually possess.

My theory:

Being the superior beings the reapers believe themselves to be, perhaps it would be insulting for them to fight us head-on and loose a number of themselves in the proccess (or they simply refuse to deal with such losses due to the complications of reaper making). I believe they are laying a trap for us.. but while we don't fall for it they have to keep laying the trap...  during this time milky way is uniting but it will be up to Shepard to discover, find means and cause reaper plan to backfire, givin us and edge, so that it would become at least a 50/50 battle ^^

Modifié par Meaningless, 27 février 2011 - 07:15 .

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PHub88 wrote...

Anythings possible...The Reapers built the Citadel...im sure they could find a way to fix it if they wanted to....eh...this is spoiler free but it cant say without sort of mentioning one...dont read this if anyone hasnt beat ME2....There would be little point in fixing the Citadel because end of ME2 shows the Reapers headed here already? Or that could of just been an ending that shows a future event...no clue...all I know is they needed the Citadel to quickly warp to the Galaxy...and they appear to somehow already be on the move.

Also, im not sure attacking Earth would be a good distraction...I dont think the Citadel fleet would leave to come help Earth so other Reapers could attack the Citadel easier...besides its the Turians I think who have the largest amount of fighters in Citadel space.

another theory could be that another conduit is on mars seeing as humanity found all the tech for space travel by 200 years. remember in me2 we see another beacon? what are the chances of another conduit

[PHub88]

Its possible...I would honestly expect the Reapers being as advanced as they are to of had a backup plan like that....But it would also be kind of retarded that Harbinger just didnt try to do it that way in ME2

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PHub88 wrote...

Its possible...I would honestly expect the Reapers being as advanced as they are to of had a backup plan like that....But it would also be kind of retarded that Harbinger just didnt try to do it that way in ME2

harbingers abduction of human colonies could be used as a warning shot that the reapers are indeed coming and who knows he also may think humans dont reconize the situation until shepard basicly whoops ass on the collector base

[Meaningless]

doesn't matter.. unless you find a magic wand to wave around, only means to bring them down are still dreadnoughts

Modifié par Meaningless, 27 février 2011 - 07:29 .

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Meaningless wrote...

doesn't matters.. unless you find a magic wand to weave around, only means to bring them down are still dreadnoughts

or the m-29 cain could just basicly wreck the reapers seeing as its basicly a nuke

[PHub88]

Well idk about that one...So far it was a human who killed a Reaper...and the Reapers deff know about Cerberus...if anything...its humans who are the only ones who recognize the situation with the Reapers...They abducted human colonies to use their genetic material to make the baby Reaper...They are probably interested in us because Shepard killed one...or saw our potential beforehand.

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PHub88 wrote...

Well idk about that one...So far it was a human who killed a Reaper...and the Reapers deff know about Cerberus...if anything...its humans who are the only ones who recognize the situation with the Reapers...They abducted human colonies to use their genetic material to make the baby Reaper...They are probably interested in us because Shepard killed one...or saw our potential beforehand.

my curiosity is is mass effect evolution cannon to the games? because if so then imo i dont think its just humans who know of the threat seeing as the turians basicly found the monolith

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Well we don't know for sure if there aren't more enslaved races at the reapers command too attack other systems so anythings possible at this point.

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OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Well we don't know for sure if there aren't more enslaved races at the reapers command too attack other systems so anythings possible at this point.

im interested to see some indoctrinated turians because i do believe in some form both the turins and the big wig political humans covered something up and established a truce

[PHub88]

Tazzmission wrote...

Meaningless wrote...

doesn't matters.. unless you find a magic wand to weave around, only means to bring them down are still dreadnoughts

or the m-29 cain could just basicly wreck the reapers seeing as its basicly a nuke

Lol, no way dude...idk if your just joking? The Reapers are insanely freaking huge...youd need to shoot one 20 million times with one of those.

[PHub88]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Well we don't know for sure if there aren't more enslaved races at the reapers command too attack other systems so anythings possible at this point.

I think thats totally true...As a matter of fact I think its foolish to think all the Collectors are dead...I wouldnt doubt for a second that Collectors and any other species the Reapers dominated...still live...and even live inside of all the Reapers taking care of random things for the Reaper.

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PHub88 wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Well we don't know for sure if there aren't more enslaved races at the reapers command too attack other systems so anythings possible at this point.

I think thats totally true...As a matter of fact I think its foolish to think all the Collectors are dead...I wouldnt doubt for a second that Collectors and any other species the Reapers dominated...still live...and even live inside of all the Reapers taking care of random things for the Reaper.

or.... what if in mass effect 3 wile zipping through the galaxy the reapers  indoctrinate other species than destroy there worlds? final battle could show what the vgas teased by having shepard veiw the firey hell from space? imagine having to kill not just collectors but turians baterians quarians volus and etc

Modifié par Tazzmission, 27 février 2011 - 07:42 .

[PHub88]

Saren was foolish enough to trust the Reapers...Im sure other people/species will as well...The Reapers would obviously rather have species foolishly surrender to them as a trick...I totally see Batarians doing that...

[Meaningless]

While the reapers have probably been in inumerous others galaxies, their real threat has to be their main fleet of reapers.

Anyway... this thread is falling under acceptable lvls pretty fast... xD

Going to sleep ^^

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PHub88 wrote...

Saren was foolish enough to trust the Reapers...Im sure other people/species will as well...The Reapers would obviously rather have species foolishly surrender to them as a trick...I totally see Batarians doing that...

the reapers can maybe manipulate them by saying  you scratch are back we will scratch yours by not destroying your world. so in a way civilizaions could be blackmailed into targeting earth if it were to save there own kind

[Dexi]

I don't think the Reapers are THAT many... Of course, they'd say they're many.
But really, I don't think its easy to create thousands of sentient dreadnoughts with super advanced defenses and guns, with indoctrination capabilities and w/e...

The Reapers' strength, I believe, lies more than just in their superior technology. One clear reason for why they go in dark space is because they're afraid to be found. We already know that powerful guns can take them out, we know that we can put up a good fight if we prepare well, and if we know it, they know it.
Reaper's biggest advantage in any cycle was the element of surprise, which ( according to ME3, they still have when attacking Earth ).

But, in another scenario, in which the galactic forces would have prepared for the Reaper invasion, rendered the Mass Relays to the most important worlds offline ( but good to reactivate), would have built military stations near them to distribute the armed forces from them rather from the main worlds, then would have successfully divided Reaper fleet into smaller forces and use guerrilla tactics and import, when necessary, the kamikaze method, in a scenario like that, the Reapers would be defeated.

That's the best case scenario, but it's not the scenario in which ME3 takes place. But the ME3 scenario is not the worst case scenario either, so the're still chances of winning