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[Bluko]

I dunno I always got the impression from Sovereign that the Reapers literally numbered in the tens of thousands.

At the very least there's a couple hundred of them, and their real number is probably a bit closer to several thousand. Even with Geth and possibly Rachni battling the Reapers isn't going to result in victory. Unless the Reapers split off into really small groups this isn't going to work.

Look no other race, races has ever managed to beat the Reapers. Yes Reapers can be killed, and maybe we could kill a good number of them, but we'll still lose. We haven't delayed the Reapers more then a year or two, which is nothing to them. Doesn't matter if we have Thanix cannons, Multicore Shields, etc. That worked against a Collector Ship (and only barely). Even if there are dozens of Normandy vessels (unlikely given the cost) and assuming every Dreadnaught we have available in the galaxy coud be retrofitted we would still get our butts kicked. There are too many Reapers. We can't overpower them.

Give the Reapers a little credit. They wouldn't let us develop to a level at which we could challenge them. The Reapers have been around awhile. I'm sure they've faced more powerful races before. Heck the Protheans were more advanced then any currently known species and they lost pretty badly. Even if Humanity is "special" we can't be that amazing to match a race millions of years older then us.

The only thing we got going for us is that we can still use the Relays freely. Yes I think that will help us, and ultimately be why we don't get wiped out. This is a big galaxy, with plenty of secrets. Surely there are some things they don't want us to find. The Collector Base was a good start, but we're going to need more. Us badning together and fighting them is exactly what they want us to.

What they don't and never have wanted us to do is learn the secrets behind technology such as the mass relays.

Look I'm sure no matter there'll be some epic fleet battle(s) and there will probably be a battle over Earth at the end.



But if ME3 is seriously only about beating the Reapers with solely the strength of our combined fleets I will face-palm. Also if ME3 is all about gathering fleets/allies how exactly will we learn anything about the Reapers? Is Harbinger going to surrender and tell us everything? There's more to the galaxy then you think people. It's been stated many times that even in Mass Effect only a very tiny portion of the galaxy is known/explored. There's a lot more to be discovered yet. There's something out there that can be used against the Reapers. Most likely something of their own creation/origin. You don't defeat your enemy by simply attacking them, you defeat them by attacking their weakness.

That's how the Reapers have always won. No one's ever been able to find out their weakness. But Shepard will, they're the only one who can.

Modifié par Bluko, 27 février 2011 - 08:53 .

[CroGamer002]

Phaedon wrote...

Yep...

[Elvis_Mazur]

And who said they are attacking only Earth? As far as we know, they are attacking Earth, but such thing doesn't mean they aren't assaulting other planets.


The Big Ben guy said "there won't be an Earth left to save" probably because all off-world communications were cut off when the Reapers reached the Sol system. For him, only Earth is being attacked.

[Adugan]

Bluko wrote...

I dunno I always got the impression from Sovereign that the Reapers literally numbered in the tens of thousands.

At the very least there's a couple hundred of them, and their real number is probably a bit closer to several thousand. Even with Geth and possibly Rachni battling the Reapers isn't going to result in victory. Unless the Reapers split off into really small groups this isn't going to work.

Look no other race, races has ever managed to beat the Reapers. Yes Reapers can be killed, and maybe we could kill a good number of them, but we'll still lose. We haven't delayed the Reapers more then a year or two, which is nothing to them. Doesn't matter if we have Thanix cannons, Multicore Shields, etc. That worked against a Collector Ship (and only barely). Even if there are dozens of Normandy vessels (unlikely given the cost) and assuming every Dreadnaught we have available in the galaxy coud be retrofitted we would still get our butts kicked. There are too many Reapers. We can't overpower them.

Give the Reapers a little credit. They wouldn't let us develop to a level at which we could challenge them. The Reapers have been around awhile. I'm sure they've faced more powerful races before. Heck the Protheans were more advanced then any currently known species and they lost pretty badly. Even if Humanity is "special" we can't be that amazing to match a race millions of years older then us.

The only thing we got going for us is that we can still use the Relays freely. Yes I think that will help us, and ultimately be why we don't get wiped out. This is a big galaxy, with plenty of secrets. Surely there are some things they don't want us to find. The Collector Base was a good start, but we're going to need more. Us badning together and fighting them is exactly what they want us to.

What they don't and never have wanted us to do is learn the secrets behind technology such as the mass relays.

Look I'm sure no matter there'll be some epic fleet battle(s) and there will probably be a battle over Earth at the end.



But if ME3 is seriously only about beating the Reapers with solely the strength of our combined fleets I will face-palm. Also if ME3 is all about gathering fleets/allies how exactly will we learn anything about the Reapers? Is Harbinger going to surrender and tell us everything? There's more to the galaxy then you think people. It's been stated many times that even in Mass Effect only a very tiny portion of the galaxy is known/explored. There's a lot more to be discovered yet. There's something out there that can be used against the Reapers. Most likely something of their own creation/origin. You don't defeat your enemy by simply attacking them, you defeat them by attacking their weakness.

That's how the Reapers have always won. No one's ever been able to find out their weakness. But Shepard will, they're the only one who can.

In LOTSB there were hints of more prothean relics and artifacts that the SB was looking for. There may have been anti-Reaper weapons or Conduits that lead into their ships. Who knows? All we can do is trust BW to make a good game. Not much else to do besides that.

Maybe there will be a deus ex machina where a Reaper says "this is wrong, I dont wanna harvest people anymore" and give the fleshy races the secrets of the reapers, but doubtful.

Modifié par Adugan, 27 février 2011 - 12:10 .

[Meaningless]

This is probably the biggest fight the reapers have had thrown at them since their rise to power.

Protheans were not so advanced, at least in military terms (they were the only advanced race of their time, and we are led to believe they were very friendly.. no reason to build a big army.)

Most of the galaxy think of the protheans as advanced because they are credited for citadel and mass relays and yada-yada, while we know this was never their doing.

The reapers didn't have a choice into giving us 2 thousand years more to advance, since they couldn't travel through citadel relay. If it weren't for protheans overriding keepers signal, we would had been taken out by the reapers a long time ago (probably even before rachni wars). Which would at that time had been easy for the reapers.. not quite so easy to wipe our galaxy now. And they won't have so much of a surprise element, neither citadel backhole.

If reapers could create themselves to an unlimited number, they would have taken the entire universe by now, given the lenght of their existence span. I believe reapers can only exist to a limited number.

And really, they must be afraid or not very anxious to loose a number of them fighting the entire force of our galaxy.

Modifié par Meaningless, 27 février 2011 - 03:13 .

[Dexi]

Bluko wrote...

I dunno I always got the impression from Sovereign that the Reapers literally numbered in the tens of thousands.

At the very least there's a couple hundred of them, and their real number is probably a bit closer to several thousand. Even with Geth and possibly Rachni battling the Reapers isn't going to result in victory. Unless the Reapers split off into really small groups this isn't going to work.

Look no other race, races has ever managed to beat the Reapers. Yes Reapers can be killed, and maybe we could kill a good number of them, but we'll still lose. We haven't delayed the Reapers more then a year or two, which is nothing to them. Doesn't matter if we have Thanix cannons, Multicore Shields, etc. That worked against a Collector Ship (and only barely). Even if there are dozens of Normandy vessels (unlikely given the cost) and assuming every Dreadnaught we have available in the galaxy coud be retrofitted we would still get our butts kicked. There are too many Reapers. We can't overpower them.

Give the Reapers a little credit. They wouldn't let us develop to a level at which we could challenge them. The Reapers have been around awhile. I'm sure they've faced more powerful races before. Heck the Protheans were more advanced then any currently known species and they lost pretty badly. Even if Humanity is "special" we can't be that amazing to match a race millions of years older then us.

The only thing we got going for us is that we can still use the Relays freely. Yes I think that will help us, and ultimately be why we don't get wiped out. This is a big galaxy, with plenty of secrets. Surely there are some things they don't want us to find. The Collector Base was a good start, but we're going to need more. Us badning together and fighting them is exactly what they want us to.

What they don't and never have wanted us to do is learn the secrets behind technology such as the mass relays.

Look I'm sure no matter there'll be some epic fleet battle(s) and there will probably be a battle over Earth at the end.



But if ME3 is seriously only about beating the Reapers with solely the strength of our combined fleets I will face-palm. Also if ME3 is all about gathering fleets/allies how exactly will we learn anything about the Reapers? Is Harbinger going to surrender and tell us everything? There's more to the galaxy then you think people. It's been stated many times that even in Mass Effect only a very tiny portion of the galaxy is known/explored. There's a lot more to be discovered yet. There's something out there that can be used against the Reapers. Most likely something of their own creation/origin. You don't defeat your enemy by simply attacking them, you defeat them by attacking their weakness.

That's how the Reapers have always won. No one's ever been able to find out their weakness. But Shepard will, they're the only one who can.

Yes, but thing is, we already know what the Reapers' weakness is... We always did : link. 

[masseffectreaper]

Basing opinions off the CGI trailer is a little foolish to me we don't know whats going to happen yet.

[habitat 67]

Mesina2 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Yep...

This is perfect.
(If these are the fans, Id hate to see the haters.)

[Minister of Sound]

The only thing we can safely deduce from the ME3 teaser is that Mass Effect 3 will still have the thermal clip system from ME2. Otherwise, we can't accept teasers as divine law since they are cinematic with no actual gameplay.

[habitat 67]

Meaningless wrote...
This is probably the biggest fight the reapers have had thrown at them since their rise to power.

So far, Humans killed 1 reaper and 1 Collector ship. Someone else killed that IFF Reaper and Collector ship we fought through. Keepers were deactivated.

Meaningless wrote...
Protheans were not so advanced, at least in military terms (they were the only advanced race of their time, and we are led to believe they were very friendly.. no reason to build a big army.)

Protheans had the technology to put thousands of their race into stasis pods at Ilos, have a VI which lasted 50,000 years and they managed to deactivate the keepers while being attacked.  Sounds pretty advanced. We have no data at all of other species existing when the Protheans did, maybe that will change (I hope)

Meaningless wrote...
If reapers could create themselves to an unlimited number, they would have taken the entire universe by now, given the lenght of their existence span. I believe reapers can only exist to a limited number..

I think each reaper represents one complex DNA species at every 50,000 year intervals.

[Romantiq]

Half of the game is going to be about Shepard gathering allies such as; Rachni, Geth, Migrant Fleet, Alliance fleet, Turian Fleet, Wrex's Krogans, Solarian STG, Asari commandos etc.

The rest of the game is going to be one long ass cutscene.

[Babli]

Phaedon wrote...

Except that people that demaned Earth in ME 3 wanted some cool mission in beginning or in the middle of a game. Not "Earth is burning, gather team races and start suicide final mission to take it back!!!!halo!!!1!"

Just sayin

Of course we dont know what role will Earth be play in actual game, but teaser and game description dont make me very optimistic.

Modifié par Babli, 27 février 2011 - 06:19 .

[nevar00]

I agree. After what it took to kill Soverign, I have a bad feeling that there is no way they are going to make every other Reaper out to be that powerful... it would make it basically impossible. Which is the point I know, but then you wouldn't be able to win, so... hopefully they come up with something to make the Reaper's beatable but without making them seem weak... and no "good white Reapers coming to the rescue" thing like some people are saying...

Still I hope the entire game doesn't take place on Earth: that would suck. I expect Earth to play a big part but when you have a whole galaxy to explore, to have the entire conclusion play out on Earth would be pretty underwhelming.

Modifié par nevar00, 27 février 2011 - 06:48 .

[Whatever42]

Babli wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Except that people that demaned Earth in ME 3 wanted some cool mission in beginning or in the middle of a game. Not "Earth is burning, gather team races and start suicide final mission to take it back!!!!halo!!!1!"

Just sayin

Of course we dont know what role will Earth be play in actual game, but teaser and game description dont make me very optimistic.

Why don't these people just write a script and post it up then. It might avoid confusion in the future.

Or better yet, Bioware should (and very likely does) ignore everything post on these board because its all just random noise from hundreds of different people who each want different things. I know we all think we're terribly clever and that everyone should listen to us but we're not and everyone shouldn't.

[Babli]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Babli wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Except that people that demaned Earth in ME 3 wanted some cool mission in beginning or in the middle of a game. Not "Earth is burning, gather team races and start suicide final mission to take it back!!!!halo!!!1!"

Just sayin

Of course we dont know what role will Earth be play in actual game, but teaser and game description dont make me very optimistic.

I know we all think we're terribly clever and that everyone should listen to us but we're not and everyone shouldn't.

I agree

[Marta12345]

While reading this forum I got the feeling that not everyone saw the final scene in ME2 . Don't read if you haven't - spoiler - There are hundreds of Reapers showed at the end, and they are coming. If Council and the Alliance fleet had big problem with destroying just one Reaper, then what are they going to do with such a number of them??? I hope that BW will think of something logic and ,as far as it is possible, realistic (I mean in the ME universum). Maybe the destruction of Reapers will be somehow conected with the abnormal behaviour of one of the stars??(mission with Tali)

[PHub88]

Good, people are finally talking about the things I mainly worry about

How can ME3 possibly be big enough to do the fall of the Reapers justice? While maintaining side missions...loyalty...romance...etc...The Reaper threat storywise is by far more troublesome than most people seem to talk about...it should be just about next to IMPOSSIBLE to defeat them...even with every single race united...every ship in orbit...a head on war...they should still crush us

Sovereign was easily destroying entire ships while not even focusing on it...he was trying to open the relay up...Can you imagine if he was focusing on destroying ships instead of just opening up the relay? and actually been in combat mode? and had Harbinger been there as well fighting beside him....The ridiculous damage TWO Reapers could do side by side is outrageous...they should be able to take down hundreds of ships before falling...even if being attacked by 500 ships....and there is thousands of Reapers

Man I hope Bioware pulls it off without making the Reapers look a fraction as tough as they have already painted them out to be.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I will have to agree that this has to do with purely marketing reasons. Do you guys remember the ME2 teaser, where they announced Shepard's death? How was that handled? Yup, that's right; it happened in the first ten minutes of the game and was barely bought up after that.

[Savber100]

I sense a nasty deus ex machina like a sudden discovery of an anti-Reaper tech that help Shep defeat the Reapers. It's either that of something about dark energy as we've seen Tali and Giannia (or however you spell her name) mentioned. >.>
Also, it confounds me how the Reapers will risk everything by attacking earth first when strategically destroying the Citadel would have crippled the ENTIRE galaxy in a single stroke (at the very least, it's a greater blow in morale to the galaxy as a whole). Attack earth and you only cripple humanity. Shepard is only a threat to the Reapers if he has a substantial force to back him up. >.>

Modifié par Savber100, 28 février 2011 - 06:13 .

[Dem_B]

Motives and origins of the Reapers - the most important thing for me in Mass Effect.
I very much hope that the Reapers will not trivial villains.
I expect that their motives will be reasonable and may be justified.

Conversation with Sovereign.

- Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither an die.
- We are eternal. We are end of everything.
- We are each a nation. Independent, free of all weakness.
- We have no beginning. We have no end. We are infinite.
- Million of years after your civilization has been forgotten, we will endure.

Harbinger phrase: That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction.

These words more than a threat.

Mass Effect 2 gave the answer to the question - Who are the Reapers. Maybe some did not attach importance. 

Reapers are not AI - all of them were living beings.
Most of them are forcibly made Reapers, but the first Reapers became such on their own. Perhaps because of the threat of cataclysm. Become Reapers and survive or die in the chaos. 
Then time passed and the Reapers beginning to justify themselves and decided that becoming Reaper - a weal and decided to extend this weal to all who worthy. They imagined themselves a gods - those who can decide the fate of others. 

This is my speculation, but significantly this - Reapers were not created race which already extinct. Reapers have created themselves, they were living beings.
So I realized Mass Effect 2.

From the Mass Effect 3 I'm waiting for a revelation. Clear explanation of the motives and origins of the Reapers.

P.S And I agree with @Bluko.

Modifié par Dem_B, 28 février 2011 - 06:58 .

[Hanar Shakespeare]

Computers who were programmed to be the Wall-E's of the universe who have gone evil and are now in overdrive.

It's, as Shephard told Legion, a "math error."  I honestly think that's what the Reapers are.

[Ieldra]

Bluko wrote...
But if ME3 is seriously only about beating the Reapers with solely the strength of our combined fleets I will face-palm.

This. Knowledge is the key to defeat a threat like this, not pure military might (though it helps of course):

Also if ME3 is all about gathering fleets/allies how exactly will we learn anything about the Reapers? Is Harbinger going to surrender and tell us everything? There's more to the galaxy then you think people. It's been stated many times that even in Mass Effect only a very tiny portion of the galaxy is known/explored. There's a lot more to be discovered yet. There's something out there that can be used against the Reapers. Most likely something of their own creation/origin. You don't defeat your enemy by simply attacking them, you defeat them by attacking their weakness.

That's how the Reapers have always won. No one's ever been able to find out their weakness. But Shepard will, they're the only one who can.

I can only hope Bioware won't downplay the importance of this. The Reapers are a galaxy-wide threat. Bioware's decisions to scale several aspects of their universe to be intuitively understandable to a human mind without the least bit of mental effort has already made me facepalm several times while looking at the way things are set up. If they do that with the Reapers as well, the plot will have failed so hard that it will make the story of three complete games a joke.

[PHub88]

Dem_B wrote...

Motives and origins of the Reapers - the most important thing for me in Mass Effect.
I very much hope that the Reapers will not trivial villains.
I expect that their motives will be reasonable and may be justified.

Conversation with Sovereign.

- Your lives are measured in years and decades. You wither an die.
- We are eternal. We are end of everything.
- We are each a nation. Independent, free of all weakness.
- We have no beginning. We have no end. We are infinite.
- Million of years after your civilization has been forgotten, we will endure.

Harbinger phrase: That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction.

These words more than a threat.

Mass Effect 2 gave the answer to the question - Who are the Reapers. Maybe some did not attach importance. 

Reapers are not AI - all of them were living beings.
Most of them are forcibly made Reapers, but the first Reapers became such on their own. Perhaps because of the threat of cataclysm. Become Reapers and survive or die in the chaos. 
Then time passed and the Reapers beginning to justify themselves and decided that becoming Reaper - a weal and decided to extend this weal to all who worthy. They imagined themselves a gods - those who can decide the fate of others. 

This is my speculation, but significantly this - Reapers were not created race which already extinct. Reapers have created themselves, they were living beings.
So I realized Mass Effect 2.

From the Mass Effect 3 I'm waiting for a revelation. Clear explanation of the motives and origins of the Reapers.

P.S And I agree with @Bluko.

ME2 literally had ZERO new information on the Reapers...all of that is speculation...we dont know any of that...and it doesnt make sense...How does a species decide to make itself into a machine? They are all dead anyways...

The only new information ME2 gave us on the Reapers

-They are not just machine, but synthetic organics
-They design themselves to look like the species they dominate


As of their origin....I couldnt even begin to guess...My only thought ever is that maybe just one Reaper existed when it started...and was built by some species to be highly advancd...and that species destroyed itself in war...etc etc...and the Reaper decided to live on...who knows...I dont see Bioware making it to be just like the Quarians and Geth...and to be honest im fairly sure Bioware wont let us learn the origin of the Reapers

[Dem_B]

@PHub88

One of the conversations with the Legion, he said that the Reapers are your future developments are not ours.

AI does not need so much pathos, AI would not have to wait 50,000 years for mass destruction, AI would not build ships from the destroyed races. 
Anyone at all understand why need grind in jelly? AI would not do that.
This need for keeping the minds of the converted race.
Reapers save the people in eternity and deny his weaknesses. Make it for weal. 

Reapers are not AI they have motives deeper than global destruction. I hope for this.

Modifié par Dem_B, 28 février 2011 - 12:41 .