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[MrFob]

Dem_B wrote...

@PHub88

One of the conversations with the Legion, he said that the Reapers are your future developments are not ours.

AI
does not need so much pathos, AI would not have to wait 50,000 years
for mass destruction, AI would not build ships from the destroyed
races. 
Anyone at all understand why need grind in jelly? AI would not do that.
This need for keeping the minds of the converted race.
Reapers save the people in eternity and deny his weaknesses. Make it for weal.

Reapers are not AI they have motives deeper than global destruction. I hope for this.

Except that a true self improving AI might just evolve into something that has other motives (maybe even a need for pathos or the capacity for emotion), which makes this argumentation pointless.
I mean give a system enough time to make itself more and more complex (say a couple of million years) and from our perspective it will be absolutely unpredictable, AI or not.
Therefore, for BW, anything is allowed in story writing (as long as they execute it well).
Or, as Sovereign would put it: "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding." 

Modifié par MrFob, 28 février 2011 - 12:23 .

[Dem_B]

I recently learned about cut phrase from the final sentence of the Harbinger, after "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction." he could said.

"You will surrender your potential against the growing void."
"We return, and you will rise!"

I would like to see in one of the endings Mass Effect 3 Human-Reaper said by metallic voice of Shepard: "The circle can not be broken."

Because it would be symbolic. Shepard realizes that resistance is no longer possible, we can not win and have only way - to surrender and accept the gift of the Reapers.

AI is empty. I do not want to confront the empty enemies, which simply need to destroy.
We all saw how many times how AI is trying to destroy people - it is not surprising, is already tired of it.

No one has enough imagination to see in Reaper - more than an empty AI?
All just want to destroy Skynet, which millions of years?

Reapers are not AI they have motives deeper than global destruction. I hope for this. 

Modifié par Dem_B, 28 février 2011 - 12:59 .

[Slayer299]

Dem_B wrote...
I would like to see in one of the endings Mass Effect 3 Human-Reaper said by metallic voice of Shepard: "The circle can not be broken."

Because it would be symbolic. Shepard realizes that resistance is no longer possible, we can not win and have only way - to surrender and accept the gift of the Reapers.

I disagree with you there Dem_B, seeing Shep simply give up would be counter to everything that she is. a)Mindoir - destruction of the colony where she lived. b)Sole Survivor - Thresher Maw attack on Akuze. If anything she's shown that she will not just 'give up and lie down' and accept the inevitable.

AI is empty. I do not want to confront the empty enemies, which simply need to destroy.
We all saw how many times how AI is trying to destroy people - it is not surprising, is already tired of it.

No one has enough imagination to see in Reaper - more than an empty AI?
All just want to destroy Skynet, which millions of years?

Reapers are not AI they have motives deeper than global destruction. I hope for this. 

We've already seen that there seems to be more to the Reapers other than wiping out advanced life forms in the galaxy every 50k years. It was only our first meeting with Sov. which led us to the belief that that was all that was too them.

[Meaningless]

Reapers are war/dominance driven and very intelligent, if they haven't taken the entire universe by now, its due to a good reason not this "lets preserve a species" mambo-jambo.

You people stick too much with this idea of "reapers absorb race(s) every so often". Which simply is dumb in a reaper like concept.

If it was that easy... Reapers can terraform planets easier than us given their technology. Reapers would take races and "plant/drop" them on habitable planets, monitor them, and harvest them in a much shorter time than 50.000 years.. boosting reaper numbers incredibly fast.

If they haven't taken the entire universe by now, theres gotta be a good reason for that.

Also, the most important line that SOVEREIGN says: "There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it."

I sitck with the idea that reapers can only exist to a limited number, and let new/unseen life forms evolve in the universe in an endless search for better "vessels" for them to inhabit (given reapers are also concerned into bettering themselves).

Modifié par Meaningless, 28 février 2011 - 02:55 .

[Dem_B]

Slayer299 wrote...

I disagree with you there Dem_B, seeing Shep simply give up would be counter to everything that she is. a)Mindoir - destruction of the colony where she lived. b)Sole Survivor - Thresher Maw attack on Akuze. If anything she's shown that she will not just 'give up and lie down' and accept the inevitable.

a)Mindoir .
b)Sole Survivor.
There and not have to give up, it was necessary to fight to the last, with all his might. 
Because if you will give up will be one final - a senseless death.

But when you consider that the motives of the Reapers more than the destruction, if they want to help, let such a horrible way, you have to fight until the moment while you can win, but the fight to the death does not make sense. If you see that the resistance will not lead to victory, it is logical to surrender in and accept the gift of greatness.
To go beyond life and death, to become someone out of time, to find the ultimate meaning of existence.

Modifié par Dem_B, 28 février 2011 - 02:44 .

[DinoCrisisFan]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Hey yeah, but the Citadel relay no longer works. But just heading to Earth because of revenge seems so idiotic on they're part.

Pricisely, it would be illogical, and machines are supposed to be all about logic.

[Imbackagain]

Dem_B wrote...

Slayer299 wrote...

I disagree with you there Dem_B, seeing Shep simply give up would be counter to everything that she is. a)Mindoir - destruction of the colony where she lived. b)Sole Survivor - Thresher Maw attack on Akuze. If anything she's shown that she will not just 'give up and lie down' and accept the inevitable.

a)Mindoir .
b)Sole Survivor.
There and not have to give up, it was necessary to fight to the last, with all his might. 
Because there is an outcome - a senseless death.

But when you consider that the motives of the Reapers more than the destruction, if they want to help, let such a horrible way, you have to fight until the moment while you can win, but the fight to the death does not make sense. If you see that the resistance will not lead to victory, it is logical to surrender in and accept the gift of greatness.
To go beyond life and death, to become someone out of time, to find the ultimate meaning of existence.

Not really.

An  example would be the abominations in Dragon age.
When the guy offered to turn you into one.
You didn't know he could be beaten until you fought him.

And if you knew you had no chance would you bend over only to be casted aside to be replaced with something else that's not you.

Modifié par Imbackagain, 28 février 2011 - 02:50 .

[Dem_B]

Imbackagain wrote...

if you knew you had no chance would you bend over only to be casted aside to be replaced with something else that's not you.

When millions are processed into jellies, creates a unified consciousness, but consciousness is aware of himself as a representative of the destroyed race. Accepting motives of the Reapers. 
- Sovereign: "We are each a nation. Independent, free of all weakness."

For example, all religions talk about life after death, the soul abandons the body, moving to another state of being. 
People believe that their life will not end after bodily death. People believe that their soul is immortal. 
But nobody can find the material immortality - the bodily immortality.
Therefore, everyone scared to die, nobody knows whether there is in reality a different life.

Perhaps in the distant past Reapers did not wanted to die and have created a way to keep your consciousness in this reality, in the form of an indestructible material form, free of all weakness.
Their body has become the machine, but the consciousness remains the same.
The consciousness of living beings.

I sincerely believe that the Reapers are not ancient Skynet.

Modifié par Dem_B, 01 mars 2011 - 09:16 .