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[SmokingBalrog]

Hi guys,

Lately I’m thinking a lot about Dragon Age 2, about the reviews, comments etc. Here some thoughts that I want to share and I’m really interested what you guys think about it.

As most of you know Bioware is working on Star Wars the old republic for a really long time. It’s definitively the biggest project for Bioware until now and the costs are massive. So how is that related to DA2? I think a lot, because I guess EA was pushing Bioware to release DA2 as soon as possible. The reason for that is pretty simple. The high development costs for Star Wars don’t look very good in the annual reports. I think Bioware still tried to create an awesome game, but I’m sure DA2 will have less content then DAO.

Like:
Recycled Maps
Shorter Gameplay (I needed 54Hours in DAO, I’m guessing in DA2 it will be 30-40H)
No real ending (somehow I fell we have to wait for the first expansion the get a “real” ending)
Less Character development
No graphic improvement (not really important for me)

Overall DA2 will be probably a very good game and you will get a lot content for you money, but if you compare it with DAO it will be more like a little brother then a real successor.
Sorry for my English, I hope it’s not too bad…

Modifié par SmokingBalrog, 27 février 2011 - 12:22 .

[SansSariph]

I think this is probably all a fair assessment.

I honestly anticipate that I'll be a little disappointed in two regards:

1. The ending
2. Recycled locations

The thing is, I'll get over it. I'm also disappointed I didn't know about the signature edition until it was too late, and I'm paying $60 for a retail edition, plus $7 for release day DLC.

Again, I'll get over it.

Why?

Because I am almost certain I'll play the game twice. Let's say the game is a (conservative) 30 hour adventure. I say conservative because when I play I'm obsessive-compulsive about doing everything on every playthrough, and don't skip dialogue often. That means I've gotten ~60 hours of great entertainment for $67, as well as a story that will probably stick with me after I beat it.

I'd consider this a solid investment, so I can forgive Bioware a few mis-steps as long as the rest of the game is strong enough to make up for it. Based on the demo, I think it is.

Was DA:O better value for your money? Maybe. Time will tell (more accurately, just over a week will tell!). I don't think it matters though, because DA:O was bloody exceptional value in today's market. I'm convinced DA2 will provide enough value to be worth the price of entry.

Modifié par SansSariph, 27 février 2011 - 12:14 .

[Arttis]

I suppose if I do buy...im buying only 1 and no dlc.

[Demo-Mike]

It's a rushed game, probably by EA. I'm all for supporting developers, especially Bioware, but i see little trace of them in the quality of this game.

Not worth 60$,when Witcher 2is 50$, and Two Worlds 2 was even 40$, Drakensang River of Time 30$, Shogun II 50$.

Modifié par Demo-Mike, 27 février 2011 - 12:16 .

[Suron]

EA influence and declining BioWare quality FTW...

for some reason streamlining to BioWare typically means cutting things out..which is not the same as streamlining.

Stuck in Kirkwood a lot? a 10 year wide story? Can't wait to see how the passage of time is handled..unless it's some cliche/trite thing like he goes to prison or something for many years....it screams mediocre.

and to those that say BGII:SoA spending most of it's time in Amn...are delusional. If I thought ANYONE would pay..I'd bet $50 to EVERYONE to take it that DA2 won't even be half the size in content and location of BGII..so their argument about BG2 being so great despite taking place mostly in Amn in respect to DA2 shoving us into Kirkwood as being anywhere near the same is rather trite.

[Demo-Mike]

Games need love by developers, they shouldn't be viewed as EA's cash cow, make the game with as little effort as possible no for me thanks.

[AkiKishi]

Seems about right. I agree with Mike, why should we pay the same price for an incomplete game?
If EA released it at half price with the understanding that it could be expanded, that would be one thing. But purposely leaving things out just so they can charge for them, that's just taking advantage.

Still as long as there are people like some on here that are willing to bend over and take it, nothing is going to change EA's attitude.

I'm renting, if it's that short I should easily be able to get through 3 plays in a week. I may get the ultimate later, or not.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 27 février 2011 - 12:28 .

[SLPr0]

Demo-Mike wrote...

It's a rushed game, probably by EA. I'm all for supporting developers, especially Bioware, but i see little trace of them in the quality of this game.

Not worth 60$,when Witcher 2is 50$, and Two Worlds 2 was even 40$, Drakensang River of Time 30$, Shogun II 50$.

So you just joined the social forums yesterday and you know that this game, from a 30 minute demo, is somehow lacking BioWare's usual thumbprint of quality?

I mean I really think people are throwing down the "EA made BioWare make a sucky game" card down a little quickly. We don't know how this game is going to be and we won't know until the 8th of March, some German gaming site puts out a "review" as if they've actually beta played the entire game already and suddenly everyone thinks they know how this is going to go.

I think its premature, if the games crap I'll definitely be saying so after I finish it. But I'm not going to sit here and say its crapped based off "some stuff I read on the internet" and my generalistic feelings about a 30 minute demo.

I mean I don't even say TOR is complete crap and I know more about that than I do about DA2 at this stage of things.

So sure I'll pay my 60 dollars and probably 20 or so dollars of DLC content above that cause I don't really care, money happens, entertainment is priceless, and guess what I'll probably buy The Witcher 2 when it gets released too and Skyrim and ME3 when it comes out and I'll probably buy Rage in September  and TOR whenever it comes out.

Seriously people are a little too judgmental. I'll go spend 15 bucks to spend 88 minutes watching a movie, and somehow 60 bucks for 30 - 50 hours of content (I've still not seen any concrete confirmations on how much gameplay is in DA2) is just..too much.

Who cares, seriously. If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

[Sinvx]

My only concern is that it's not another Fable 3, good game but you could play through it in a few hours. Since game will be shorter then DA:O, I hope it lasts as long as ME2. Like 20 hours of gameplay as to 5 hours like Fable 3(paid 84$ for that garbage...).

Spent roughly 70$(taxes+Canadian monies), so I will be pissed if it's like Fable 3 and very short, and probably won't buy another Bioware game aside from SWTOR. if that's the case. Demo was amazing, pre-ordered it right after, but read that Bioware shortened Dragon Age 2, because "A lot of people didn't complete Origins", which I think is a stupid reason to make a game shorter... I'm just very skeptical of this after playing Fable 3, and reading about the game being shorter.

[wolfsite]

Got to love when people just jump to conclusions rather than actually playing the full game to see if reviewers actually went through all the side quests and such or not seeing the story reasons as to why the revisits, way to go.

Also I am not a Bioware fanboy as I thought the combat in DA:O was severly broken and I had to force myself to play through that to finish the game.

Hmm well I can say I reall enjoy Bioware games but be level enough to notice problems that actually affect the gameplay and enjoyment.   Hmm that makes me sound like an ass though......... meh I can live with that.

Modifié par wolfsite, 27 février 2011 - 12:32 .

[SansSariph]

SLPr0 wrote...

I think its premature, if the games crap I'll definitely be saying so after I finish it. But I'm not going to sit here and say its crapped based off "some stuff I read on the internet" and my generalistic feelings about a 30 minute demo.

I mean I don't even say TOR is complete crap and I know more about that than I do about DA2 at this stage of things.

So sure I'll pay my 60 dollars and probably 20 or so dollars of DLC content above that cause I don't really care, money happens, entertainment is priceless, and guess what I'll probably buy The Witcher 2 when it gets released too and Skyrim and ME3 when it comes out and I'll probably buy Rage in September  and TOR whenever it comes out.[/b

Seriously people are a little too judgmental. I'll go spend 15 bucks to spend 88 minutes watching a movie, and somehow 60 bucks for 30 - 50 hours of content (I've still not seen any concrete confirmations on how much gameplay is in DA2) is just..too much.

Who cares, seriously. [b]If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

Will you marry me? Like, really? 

Bolded the parts I could not agree with more.

The fact that people are throwing around other games as though you have to choose ONE and only ONE to spend your $50-60 is mind-boggling. I can afford all of them, so I'll get all of them, and if they're disappointments I'll know better next time (looking at you, The Force Unleashed 2...).

If you're under budget constraints then just wait until the game's on sale and stop complaining about how expensive it is.

As to whether The Witcher 2 or Skyrim or any other game is longer, again, who cares? If this game is even 20 hours long then you're getting $3/hour of entertainment which is better than nearly any theatrical release. $10 for popcorn covers your DLC.

[SansSariph]

e: derp double post, sorry.

Modifié par SansSariph, 27 février 2011 - 12:32 .

[Sinvx]

SLPr0 wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

It's a rushed game, probably by EA. I'm all for supporting developers, especially Bioware, but i see little trace of them in the quality of this game.

Not worth 60$,when Witcher 2is 50$, and Two Worlds 2 was even 40$, Drakensang River of Time 30$, Shogun II 50$.

So you just joined the social forums yesterday and you know that this game, from a 30 minute demo, is somehow lacking BioWare's usual thumbprint of quality?

I mean I really think people are throwing down the "EA made BioWare make a sucky game" card down a little quickly. We don't know how this game is going to be and we won't know until the 8th of March, some German gaming site puts out a "review" as if they've actually beta played the entire game already and suddenly everyone thinks they know how this is going to go.

I think its premature, if the games crap I'll definitely be saying so after I finish it. But I'm not going to sit here and say its crapped based off "some stuff I read on the internet" and my generalistic feelings about a 30 minute demo.

I mean I don't even say TOR is complete crap and I know more about that than I do about DA2 at this stage of things.

So sure I'll pay my 60 dollars and probably 20 or so dollars of DLC content above that cause I don't really care, money happens, entertainment is priceless, and guess what I'll probably buy The Witcher 2 when it gets released too and Skyrim and ME3 when it comes out and I'll probably buy Rage in September  and TOR whenever it comes out.

Seriously people are a little too judgmental. I'll go spend 15 bucks to spend 88 minutes watching a movie, and somehow 60 bucks for 30 - 50 hours of content (I've still not seen any concrete confirmations on how much gameplay is in DA2) is just..too much.

Who cares, seriously. If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

[Greybox_Inception]

more content :-D

[Demo-Mike]

Sinvx wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

It's a rushed game, probably by EA. I'm all for supporting developers, especially Bioware, but i see little trace of them in the quality of this game.

Not worth 60$,when Witcher 2is 50$, and Two Worlds 2 was even 40$, Drakensang River of Time 30$, Shogun II 50$.

So you just joined the social forums yesterday and you know that this game, from a 30 minute demo, is somehow lacking BioWare's usual thumbprint of quality?

I mean I really think people are throwing down the "EA made BioWare make a sucky game" card down a little quickly. We don't know how this game is going to be and we won't know until the 8th of March, some German gaming site puts out a "review" as if they've actually beta played the entire game already and suddenly everyone thinks they know how this is going to go.

I think its premature, if the games crap I'll definitely be saying so after I finish it. But I'm not going to sit here and say its crapped based off "some stuff I read on the internet" and my generalistic feelings about a 30 minute demo.

I mean I don't even say TOR is complete crap and I know more about that than I do about DA2 at this stage of things.

So sure I'll pay my 60 dollars and probably 20 or so dollars of DLC content above that cause I don't really care, money happens, entertainment is priceless, and guess what I'll probably buy The Witcher 2 when it gets released too and Skyrim and ME3 when it comes out and I'll probably buy Rage in September  and TOR whenever it comes out.

Seriously people are a little too judgmental. I'll go spend 15 bucks to spend 88 minutes watching a movie, and somehow 60 bucks for 30 - 50 hours of content (I've still not seen any concrete confirmations on how much gameplay is in DA2) is just..too much.

Who cares, seriously. If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

Not about lenght, all game takes place in one samey looking city, it looks repetetive and they even used the same dungeon layouts, reused.

DA:O had tons of different locations.

I'm not gonna support EA hackjobs, rush money cows.

We all knew to be true, Bioware fans in denial but german review pretty much confrims everything we feared.

[Zanallen]

Sinvx wrote...

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

Slightly shorter. Also, play time is entirely subjective. One man's 50hrs is another man's 30hrs. I believe John Epler claimed that his play through took relatively the same amount of time as it did for DA:O.

[DPB]

SLPr0 wrote...

 If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

Sinvx wrote...

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

You might want to read that again.

Modifié par dbankier, 27 février 2011 - 12:39 .

[SLPr0]

I played through DA:O and DA:A several times, mostly for the story and the different moralistic directions I could take with it, what I didn't enjoy about it? The combat. Plain and simple base game DA:O combat was frustratingly annoying. Once the Winter Forge came out I was dying to get out of Loethering simply to get to the player camp the first time to mod some gear so I could play the combat a little faster and more action based style, which helped a lot. To me it seems like DA2 has addressed my ONE issue with DA:O, its made the combat fun and adaptive to pause and play strategy or hack and slash action. To me, thats more a win than a loss. And wolfsite has the right of it, the games not even out yet, whoever got the opportunity to do a "full" game review previous to release would have obviously pushed through the game as quickly as possible simply to get a review on their site before release day.

Well yanno DA:O was pretty boring too if you just did the three primary quests, Redridge and went to Denerim and forced the story. It was the exploration and side questing that gave that game its full content. You think some guy trying to be the first to scoop DA2 on a web review is going to bother even checking alternate avenues and potential side quests? Of course not. Play start to finish as fast as possible, post controversial review, get massive web traffic, per click ad profit, yay win.

It was actually smarter for this "pre-review" site, which I have yet to even see myself, to rush through and give the game a negative review...cause it got them a ton of web traffic as all the RPG gamers in the world suddenly got their panties in a bunch. I highly doubt they explored any of the secondary content at all, the companion missions, or any of the DLC side quests.

[Sinvx]

Demo-Mike wrote...

Sinvx wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

It's a rushed game, probably by EA. I'm all for supporting developers, especially Bioware, but i see little trace of them in the quality of this game.

Not worth 60$,when Witcher 2is 50$, and Two Worlds 2 was even 40$, Drakensang River of Time 30$, Shogun II 50$.

So you just joined the social forums yesterday and you know that this game, from a 30 minute demo, is somehow lacking BioWare's usual thumbprint of quality?

I mean I really think people are throwing down the "EA made BioWare make a sucky game" card down a little quickly. We don't know how this game is going to be and we won't know until the 8th of March, some German gaming site puts out a "review" as if they've actually beta played the entire game already and suddenly everyone thinks they know how this is going to go.

I think its premature, if the games crap I'll definitely be saying so after I finish it. But I'm not going to sit here and say its crapped based off "some stuff I read on the internet" and my generalistic feelings about a 30 minute demo.

I mean I don't even say TOR is complete crap and I know more about that than I do about DA2 at this stage of things.

So sure I'll pay my 60 dollars and probably 20 or so dollars of DLC content above that cause I don't really care, money happens, entertainment is priceless, and guess what I'll probably buy The Witcher 2 when it gets released too and Skyrim and ME3 when it comes out and I'll probably buy Rage in September  and TOR whenever it comes out.

Seriously people are a little too judgmental. I'll go spend 15 bucks to spend 88 minutes watching a movie, and somehow 60 bucks for 30 - 50 hours of content (I've still not seen any concrete confirmations on how much gameplay is in DA2) is just..too much.

Who cares, seriously. If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

Not about lenght, all game takes place in one samey looking city, it looks repetetive and they even used the same dungeon layouts, reused.

DA:O had tons of different locations.

I'm not gonna support EA hackjobs, rush money cows.

We all knew to be true, Bioware fans in denial but german review pretty much confrims everything we feared.

I like the idea of the story taking place in Kirkwall over 10 years, it's interesting and new, get to watch everything change around you over time. While in DA:O you had the unique 100x100 sq feet boxes to play in every now and then, so it wasn't that great.

My only concern is how short the game is, if I spent 70$ on a 4 hour game, i'm going to be pissed.

[Arttis]

Demo-Mike wrote...

It's a rushed game, probably by EA. I'm all for supporting developers, especially Bioware, but i see little trace of them in the quality of this game.

Not worth 60$,when Witcher 2is 50$, and Two Worlds 2 was even 40$, Drakensang River of Time 30$, Shogun II 50$.

50$ for pc on amazon...

[Demo-Mike]

Gave 88% not negative review , unless you talking about other review.

Two different reviews say same thing, nobody is out to get Bioware/EA, this looks like a rush job and it is a rush job, Bioware wake me up when you doing games from love with love and attention and you're not just EA money cow

[rob_k]

Suron wrote...

EA influence and declining BioWare quality FTW...

for some reason streamlining to BioWare typically means cutting things out..which is not the same as streamlining.

Stuck in Kirkwood a lot? a 10 year wide story? Can't wait to see how the passage of time is handled..unless it's some cliche/trite thing like he goes to prison or something for many years....it screams mediocre.

and to those that say BGII:SoA spending most of it's time in Amn...are delusional. If I thought ANYONE would pay..I'd bet $50 to EVERYONE to take it that DA2 won't even be half the size in content and location of BGII..so their argument about BG2 being so great despite taking place mostly in Amn in respect to DA2 shoving us into Kirkwood as being anywhere near the same is rather trite.

Suron,

You do realise the city that the game takes place in and around is called Kirkwall, not Kirkwood? And yeah, the story sounds trite etc. Heaven forbid they try something new. The story sees a narrator relating how Hawke rose to power and he will skip ahead in the narrative to the most important points of the past ten years.

You've not really been following the game, have you?

[Noviere]

DAO took me about the same time to finish(55-ish hours). If it takes me 30-40 to finish DA2, I'll be fine. I'd gladly sacrifice 15 hours of gameplay for a faster development cycle.

The recycled areas thing does bother me though.

[Coldest]

Sadly yes, DA2 is a "smaller" game compared to Origins. I still love the franchise and I know I'm going to enjoy DA2 as much as the next nerd, and I love most of the changes except the faster combat (Origins' combat was too slow, DA2 is too fast) and the overall game being shorter than Origins.

DA2 IS a rushed job, no doubt about that. But I'll buy it anyway and I'm sure I'll enjoy it.

Anyway, anybody has any idea on the retail price of the game? I'm from South East Asia.

[SLPr0]

dbankier wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

 If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

Sinvx wrote...

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

You might want to read that again.

Your quotes are sorta weird, but regardless so its shorter than DA:O, know what? ME2 was shorter than Mass Effect.

And I'm still marking the days off my calendar til 11/11/11.  Shorter doesn't exactly mean "worse", Mass Effect 2 wasn't a "worse" game than Mass Effect was, it was just somewhat different.

DA2 is going to be, I think, somewhat the same. Not worse, just different, and probably leaving room for serial expansion because serial expansion of an IP makes an IP worth more, and increasing the worth of a game IP is good business, in any development house. You really think BioWare is adverse to the idea of making money and they disagree with EA's marketing and development policies?

I swear its like some people think the gaming industry is some kind of jungle and BioWare was like, a beautiful gazelle and EA is a pack of lions and BioWare didn't have any CHOICE but to get eaten. BioWare CHOSE to join up with EA as its publisher. And for all the "EA" hate people throw around, just count your blessings that you're favorite developer didn't choose to join up with Activision and get on the Bobby Kotick roller coaster, okay?

Games are art, gaming is entertainment, game development is a business, you need to learn to seperate the three fairly.