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[Demo-Mike]

Coldest wrote...

Sadly yes, DA2 is a "smaller" game compared to Origins. I still love the franchise and I know I'm going to enjoy DA2 as much as the next nerd, and I love most of the changes except the faster combat (Origins' combat was too slow, DA2 is too fast) and the overall game being shorter than Origins.

DA2 IS a rushed job, no doubt about that. But I'll buy it anyway and I'm sure I'll enjoy it.

Anyway, anybody has any idea on the retail price of the game? I'm from South East Asia.

Bioware needs to make games with love again.

Origins took a lot of time and money, but it's their best seller game, I'm sure that when they started the game they weren't expecting those kind of sales, now they need to improve it, not gimp it for COD players, makes me sad corporate takeovers.

[SmokingBalrog]

I’m still interested in your opinions on how much the development(costs) of SWTOR have influenced the development of DA2. Are you guys think that Bioware planned to release DA2 like this, or did EA pull some strings?

[Sinvx]

dbankier wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

 If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

Sinvx wrote...

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

You might want to read that again.

His answer is rediculous, Modern Warfare 2 is still 59.99 spite that it came out 2 years ago. Clearly waiting for the price to go down is not always the answer. Also nothing wrong with me having concerns about not getting my money's worth when I find out the game is shorter then DA:O.

Not much else I can say without being mean, so I am just going to leave it at that, and call you silly.

[culletron1]

According to PC gamer it took them 50+ hours(without doing all of the side missions) to finish DA2 and the guy said he did DA:O in 80 or so...

The level of over reaction on this forum is bordering on hysterical. After you all play the FULL game then you can legitimately complain all you want. If you decide to not play the game I don't see why anyone should take your criticisms seriously...

Modifié par culletron1, 27 février 2011 - 12:55 .

[Demo-Mike]

culletron1 wrote...

According to PC gamer it took them 50+ hours(without doing all of the side missions) to finish DA2 and the guy said he did DA:O in 80 or so...

The level of over reaction on this forum is bordering on hysterical. After you all play the FULL game then you can legitimately complain all you want. If you decide to not play the game I don't see why anyone should take your criticisms seriously...

I don't need to play every game we are interested in, so far it looks like a less game than Origins which was amazing game that took time to make and it shows, not copy paste enviroments and COD crowds.

[rob_k]

Sinvx wrote...

Modern Warfare 2 is still 59.99 spite that
it came out 2 years ago. Clearly waiting for the price to go down is not
always the answer. Also nothing wrong with me having concerns about not
getting my money's worth when I find out the game is shorter then DA:O.

Not much else I can say without being mean, so I am just going to leave it at that, and call you silly.

By all accounts, the game is at least 24 - 30 hours of gameplay to complete the main quest and the side-quests. If not around 50 hours. Also, while I don't see it myself, Origin's main campaign can apparently be completed within 12 - 15 hours.

Anyways, paying £36.85 for the game here seems more than worth it considering the story'll probably be good and it lasts at least 24 - 30 hours (this is only regarding game length though). It's a good deal longer than more games. Your mileage may obviously vary though.

And Demo-Mike, give it a rest. You make it hard for people to post in a thread without it turning into an argument etc. I wouldn't mind if it was a few threads, but it's practically every thread I hop into that you're complaining.

Modifié par rob_k, 27 février 2011 - 01:00 .

[silver-crescent]

culletron1 wrote...

According to PC gamer it took them 50+ hours(without doing all of the side missions) to finish DA2 and the guy said he did DA:O in 80 or so...

The level of over reaction on this forum is bordering on hysterical. After you all play the FULL game then you can legitimately complain all you want. If you decide to not play the game I don't see why anyone should take your criticisms seriously...

Truth, I think the reviewer that said the game was 15-20 hours or so probably just rushed through it at light speed.

[DPB]

Sinvx wrote...
His answer is rediculous, Modern Warfare 2 is still 59.99 spite that it came out 2 years ago. Clearly waiting for the price to go down is not always the answer. Also nothing wrong with me having concerns about not getting my money's worth when I find out the game is shorter then DA:O.

Not much else I can say without being mean, so I am just going to leave it at that, and call you silly.

If you're on PC, it's almost a certainty that it'll available for extremely cheap in the Steam winter sale.

[culletron1]

Demo-Mike wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

According to PC gamer it took them 50+ hours(without doing all of the side missions) to finish DA2 and the guy said he did DA:O in 80 or so...

The level of over reaction on this forum is bordering on hysterical. After you all play the FULL game then you can legitimately complain all you want. If you decide to not play the game I don't see why anyone should take your criticisms seriously...

I don't need to play every game we are interested in, so far it looks like a less game than Origins which was amazing game that took time to make and it shows, not copy paste enviroments and COD crowds.

So you don't need to play it to cast judgement on it? Thats well within your rights... I won't be taking your criticisms seriously though.

[SLPr0]

Demo-Mike wrote...

Coldest wrote...

Sadly yes, DA2 is a "smaller" game compared to Origins. I still love the franchise and I know I'm going to enjoy DA2 as much as the next nerd, and I love most of the changes except the faster combat (Origins' combat was too slow, DA2 is too fast) and the overall game being shorter than Origins.

DA2 IS a rushed job, no doubt about that. But I'll buy it anyway and I'm sure I'll enjoy it.

Anyway, anybody has any idea on the retail price of the game? I'm from South East Asia.

Bioware needs to make games with love again.

Origins took a lot of time and money, but it's their best seller game, I'm sure that when they started the game they weren't expecting those kind of sales, now they need to improve it, not gimp it for COD players, makes me sad corporate takeovers.

Yes make games with love again. Cause everything they've made since becoming an EA subsidiary has been so awful. Makes you wonder why their annual revenue keeps growing what with all this lack of "love" in their game development.

DA:O was developed and released under the EA subsidiary status, and Ray Muzyka, the original founder of BioWare is still in charge and everything developed under the BioWare label still reports to him directly. Its not like EA came in, threw out all the BioWare people and took over, seriously.

Electronic Arts
announced on June 24, 2009, that they are restructuring their RPG and
MMO games development into a new group that includes both Mythic Entertainment
and BioWare. This newly formed team (now called the BioWare Group) will
be led by Ray Muzyka, co-founder and General Manager of BioWare. With
this change, Muzyka becomes Group General Manager of the new RPG/MMO
studio group. BioWare’s other co-founder, Greg Zeschuk, will become
Group Creative Officer for the new RPG/MMO studio group. Rob Denton will
step up as General Manager of Mythic and report to Muzyka, later
becoming Group Operations Officer of the new Group. BioWare’s studios
remain unchanged and continue to report to Muzyka.

[Sinvx]

SLPr0 wrote...

dbankier wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

 If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

Sinvx wrote...

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

You might want to read that again.

Your quotes are sorta weird, but regardless so its shorter than DA:O, know what? ME2 was shorter than Mass Effect.

And I'm still marking the days off my calendar til 11/11/11.  Shorter doesn't exactly mean "worse", Mass Effect 2 wasn't a "worse" game than Mass Effect was, it was just somewhat different.

DA2 is going to be, I think, somewhat the same. Not worse, just different, and probably leaving room for serial expansion because serial expansion of an IP makes an IP worth more, and increasing the worth of a game IP is good business, in any development house. You really think BioWare is adverse to the idea of making money and they disagree with EA's marketing and development policies?

I swear its like some people think the gaming industry is some kind of jungle and BioWare was like, a beautiful gazelle and EA is a pack of lions and BioWare didn't have any CHOICE but to get eaten. BioWare CHOSE to join up with EA as its publisher. And for all the "EA" hate people throw around, just count your blessings that you're favorite developer didn't choose to join up with Activision and get on the Bobby Kotick roller coaster, okay?

Games are art, gaming is entertainment, game development is a business, you need to learn to seperate the three fairly.

I didn't say shorter was worse, I simply said I had concerns to as how short. Ever play Fable 3? fun game... But 5 hours of gameplay did not justify it's price. If it's ME2 length, I am content, as I thoroughly enjoyed that game.

[culletron1]

silver-crescent wrote...

culletron1 wrote...

According to PC gamer it took them 50+ hours(without doing all of the side missions) to finish DA2 and the guy said he did DA:O in 80 or so...

The level of over reaction on this forum is bordering on hysterical. After you all play the FULL game then you can legitimately complain all you want. If you decide to not play the game I don't see why anyone should take your criticisms seriously...

Truth, I think the reviewer that said the game was 15-20 hours or so probably just rushed through it at light speed.

or didn't actually play it...

[Dubya75]

No graphics improvement? Really? If you are going to make such statements, then you will really need to give some evidence to support it.

[rob_k]

SL, I'd honestly ignore him. I know I replied to him but I only asked that he stopped complaining because it made holding discussions without arguing hard.

Edit: And like I said above, I don't think people have anything to worry about regarding the game's length being like 4 hours.

Modifié par rob_k, 27 février 2011 - 01:04 .

[Demo-Mike]

Bioware said it was shorter than Origins, having only the main storyline be 50hours make no sense.

Pc gamer said that DAII had the best combat in any RPG ever, those biased morons need die.

The other review is down to earth pointing the flaws but giving good score 88%

[Roseking]

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

I would not call buying three games spread out over the year to be throwing around money.

[GodWood]

Voiced PC = Shorter game

[Demo-Mike]

GodWood wrote...

Voiced PC = Shorter game

Makes no sense. They just need one more voice actor to do a lot of work, do not see how it would affect it in any way.nice excuse

[Marionetten]

SLPr0 wrote...

Yes make games with love again. Cause everything they've made since becoming an EA subsidiary has been so awful. Makes you wonder why their annual revenue keeps growing what with all this lack of "love" in their game development.

DA:O was developed and released under the EA subsidiary status, and Ray Muzyka, the original founder of BioWare is still in charge and everything developed under the BioWare label still reports to him directly. Its not like EA came in, threw out all the BioWare people and took over, seriously.

Perhaps you ought to mention that the lead designer of Dragon Age: Origins quit due to changes he didn't necessarily approve of and that most of Dragon Age: Origins was developed independently of EA? While we can argue if it's for better or worse I think we need to accept the fact that there have been changes.

To answer the topic, most of the budget probably went to Mass Effect 3.

[AkiKishi]

GodWood wrote...

Voiced PC = Shorter game

Just from that one thing it should be longer. Most people read faster than the character delivers lines.

[HawXV2]

Roseking wrote...

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

I would not call buying three games spread out over the year to be throwing around money.

Yeah. If you can't regain 60 bucks in 8 months, you're rather pathetic. On another not, that Mike dude is a total troll. Just leave him be.

[SLPr0]

Sinvx wrote...

dbankier wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

 If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

Sinvx wrote...

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

You might want to read that again.

His answer is rediculous, Modern Warfare 2 is still 59.99 spite that it came out 2 years ago. Clearly waiting for the price to go down is not always the answer. Also nothing wrong with me having concerns about not getting my money's worth when I find out the game is shorter then DA:O.

Not much else I can say without being mean, so I am just going to leave it at that, and call you silly.

Who cares what the price of COD is, look at the price of DA:O now. Its 30 bucks. Obviously EA doesn't control the pricing decisions of every game they have subsidiary control over. I think COD:MW's price has been kept where its at simply cause they make so much money on return sales when the 14 year old hackers that play the game have to buy a new copy every time they get VAC banned for hacking on online servers. Makes sense to me really. 

And anyways after the Activision/Infinity Ward debacle why would you want to buy COD at all? COD is ACTIVISION not EA. EA picked up the cast off IW developers and reviewed the Medal of Honor license to allow them to create a game to compete with COD, and, the price for that is 40 dollars, not 60 dollars.

Its like you all are confusing EA, with Activision. Of the two, believe me EA is the lesser evil.

[Demo-Mike]

Marionetten wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

Yes make games with love again. Cause everything they've made since becoming an EA subsidiary has been so awful. Makes you wonder why their annual revenue keeps growing what with all this lack of "love" in their game development.

DA:O was developed and released under the EA subsidiary status, and Ray Muzyka, the original founder of BioWare is still in charge and everything developed under the BioWare label still reports to him directly. Its not like EA came in, threw out all the BioWare people and took over, seriously.

Perhaps you ought to mention that the lead designer of Dragon Age: Origins quit due to changes he didn't necessarily approve of and that most of Dragon Age: Origins was developed independently of EA? While we can argue if it's for better or worse I think we need to accept the fact that there have been changes.

To answer the topic, most of the budget probably went to Mass Effect 3.

Mass Effect 2 fail, great reviews low sales, It sold about as much as Lost Planet 2, people don't care about character talking and having sex with but lady, people want huge games with fun gameplay and exploration

[Arttis]

culletron1 wrote...

According to PC gamer it took them 50+ hours(without doing all of the side missions) to finish DA2 and the guy said he did DA:O in 80 or so...

The level of over reaction on this forum is bordering on hysterical. After you all play the FULL game then you can legitimately complain all you want. If you decide to not play the game I don't see why anyone should take your criticisms seriously...

95% of DAO completed took me 34 hours.
Sounds like the reviewer wasted a lot fo time.

[Demo-Mike]

HawXV2 wrote...

Roseking wrote...

You're pretty silly, not everyone has money to throw around like you, and would like to get thier money's worth. One thing that has been confirmed is DA2 will be shorter then DA:O. 

I would not call buying three games spread out over the year to be throwing around money.

Yeah. If you can't regain 60 bucks in 8 months, you're rather pathetic. On another not, that Mike dude is a total troll. Just leave him be.

I'm sorry but no

People here acuse everyone on trolling, saw a thread that said that anyone who had a bad thing to say about the demo is a trol.