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[Demo-Mike]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

So let's see. Demo Mike wants Biased reviewers to go die. He says that VGcharts is unreliable, but his source is the word of god, and a random number pulled from his rear end is more reliable than VGcharts.

Despite the fact that he is biased and calling any argument against him fail. I think it's finally safe to call him narrow minded and stubborn. Possibly even a troll but he hasn't been quite hyperbolic enough yet.

Yes biased payed up reviewers need to stop what they're doing.

I can make a complete number up, because that's what VG chartz is doing 

Except you are trying to prove a point. VGcharts is not trying to prove anything with their generally guesswork but still more accurate than nothing numbers.

My point is you are dismissing some things and only accepting things you want to be correct. That's the definition of narrow minded. Also stubborn. I'm not even trying to prove you wrong I'm just expressing how counter productive your words are being to your case.

You were provided a link hwere Bioware said that DAO is their best selling RPG...savvy? 

[AlexJK]

Siven80 wrote...

Less content?

With such a short development time, probably yes.

You cannot draw that conclusion. How much background work for DA2 was done during development of Origins, for example? Lore, engine development, etc. Plus the release date for Origins was pushed back by ~6 months - how much of that time was spent developing assets for DA2?

In other words: (1) the development time wasn't "short"; (2) even if it was "shorter", you really can't conclude that this has categorically reduced the amount of content.

[Demo-Mike]

AlexJK wrote...

Siven80 wrote...

Less content?

With such a short development time, probably yes.

You cannot draw that conclusion. How much background work for DA2 was done during development of Origins, for example? Lore, engine development, etc. Plus the release date for Origins was pushed back by ~6 months - how much of that time was spent developing assets for DA2?

In other words: (1) the development time wasn't "short"; (2) even if it was "shorter", you really can't conclude that this has categorically reduced the amount of content.

Lore is a writting job, it's not like  programmers were writting lore for sever years lol.

The combat is completyl redone, it looks nothing like the base DAO established. Even the spells,animation, evrything is redone.

i would say they needed more time.

[nelly21]

Demo-Mike wrote...

They are mainstream and have more budet, yet their game looks so bad, the reviewer says it only takes place in one location, and they re-use the same dungeons.

Seems to me like Indie peple try way harder than mainstream.

Guys, obviously the answer to our problem is clear. We have to petition BioWare to hire Demo-Mike to the position of Maha Raji of Operations. His obvious years of experince in the business, maturity and willingness to innovate will move the company forward in ways Muzyka and EA couldn't imagine. 

Don't worry. I'll start  thread soon.

[FellowerOfOdin]

AlexJK wrote...

You cannot draw that conclusion. How much background work for DA2 was done during development of Origins, for example? Lore, engine development, etc. Plus the release date for Origins was pushed back by ~6 months - how much of that time was spent developing assets for DA2?

Gaming magazines state that the game leaves a rushed impression and that it's a good game that could have been great with more time put into it.

[isaggelos]

SLPr0 wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

It's a rushed game, probably by EA. I'm all for supporting developers, especially Bioware, but i see little trace of them in the quality of this game.

Not worth 60$,when Witcher 2is 50$, and Two Worlds 2 was even 40$, Drakensang River of Time 30$, Shogun II 50$.

So you just joined the social forums yesterday and you know that this game, from a 30 minute demo, is somehow lacking BioWare's usual thumbprint of quality?

I mean I really think people are throwing down the "EA made BioWare make a sucky game" card down a little quickly. We don't know how this game is going to be and we won't know until the 8th of March, some German gaming site puts out a "review" as if they've actually beta played the entire game already and suddenly everyone thinks they know how this is going to go.

I think its premature, if the games crap I'll definitely be saying so after I finish it. But I'm not going to sit here and say its crapped based off "some stuff I read on the internet" and my generalistic feelings about a 30 minute demo.

I mean I don't even say TOR is complete crap and I know more about that than I do about DA2 at this stage of things.

So sure I'll pay my 60 dollars and probably 20 or so dollars of DLC content above that cause I don't really care, money happens, entertainment is priceless, and guess what I'll probably buy The Witcher 2 when it gets released too and Skyrim and ME3 when it comes out and I'll probably buy Rage in September  and TOR whenever it comes out.

Seriously people are a little too judgmental. I'll go spend 15 bucks to spend 88 minutes watching a movie, and somehow 60 bucks for 30 - 50 hours of content (I've still not seen any concrete confirmations on how much gameplay is in DA2) is just..too much.

Who cares, seriously. If you're gaming on a budget, wait for the price to come down and get it then.

I do believe the same way as you do...we will just have to wait and see,and by the way an opinion is an opinion not a fact unless someone thinks so:police:

[Demo-Mike]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

AlexJK wrote...

You cannot draw that conclusion. How much background work for DA2 was done during development of Origins, for example? Lore, engine development, etc. Plus the release date for Origins was pushed back by ~6 months - how much of that time was spent developing assets for DA2?

Gaming magazines state that the game leaves a rushed impression and that it's a good game that could have been great with more time put into it.

What magzines you have link?

[SLPr0]

Demo-Mike wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

This whole thing doesn't have anything to do with the demo. Maybe you can get to your intelegnt discussions of crawling into Biowarez ass for making an inferior and rushed game.

I love Bioware but i will not support this approach to games. Gamers are not moneycows, games are not money printers. Do it right.

Yeah games shouldn't make money! Game companies that make money are bad! Go Demo-Mike! Lead the grand revolution and take us back to the days where when you played an RPG a game day took an entire day in real time and you had to eat food or you'd die and everything was made of little pixel based sprites on a 2D map and times were BETTER!

Or, conversely, you could shut the hell up and go play Minecraft and support great indy developers with your cash rather than sitting around wasting everyones time bashing a mainstream developer that isn't making their game in a basement.

They are mainstream and have more budet, yet their game looks so bad, the reviewer says it only takes place in one location, and they re-use the same dungeons.

Seems to me like Indie peple try way harder than mainstream.

Indy people do try harder than mainstream developers I know this for a fact because I am an independant developer and every bit of money I get, I have to work for, I don't have investors and I don't have venture capital and I don't have a big publisher behind me.

But again, judging the entirity of DA2 on a 30 minute demo and some reviews is probably not the best approach. Thats all I'm going to say.

[Defekto21]

for me Dragon Age 2 is better then DA:O i just like it more...but the only thing is...not so many maps beside kirkwall O.o other things are great for my opinion

[Demo-Mike]

SLPr0 wrote...

Demo-Mike wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

This whole thing doesn't have anything to do with the demo. Maybe you can get to your intelegnt discussions of crawling into Biowarez ass for making an inferior and rushed game.

I love Bioware but i will not support this approach to games. Gamers are not moneycows, games are not money printers. Do it right.

Yeah games shouldn't make money! Game companies that make money are bad! Go Demo-Mike! Lead the grand revolution and take us back to the days where when you played an RPG a game day took an entire day in real time and you had to eat food or you'd die and everything was made of little pixel based sprites on a 2D map and times were BETTER!

Or, conversely, you could shut the hell up and go play Minecraft and support great indy developers with your cash rather than sitting around wasting everyones time bashing a mainstream developer that isn't making their game in a basement.

They are mainstream and have more budet, yet their game looks so bad, the reviewer says it only takes place in one location, and they re-use the same dungeons.

Seems to me like Indie peple try way harder than mainstream.

Indy people do try harder than mainstream developers I know this for a fact because I am an independant developer and every bit of money I get, I have to work for, I don't have investors and I don't have venture capital and I don't have a big publisher behind me.

But again, judging the entirity of DA2 on a 30 minute demo and some reviews is probably not the best approach. Thats all I'm going to say.

Apperantly insults is what you were saying too, not anythng resonable.

[Siven80]

AlexJK wrote...

Siven80 wrote...

Less content?

With such a short development time, probably yes.

You cannot draw that conclusion. How much background work for DA2 was done during development of Origins, for example? Lore, engine development, etc. Plus the release date for Origins was pushed back by ~6 months - how much of that time was spent developing assets for DA2?

In other words: (1) the development time wasn't "short"; (2) even if it was "shorter", you really can't conclude that this has categorically reduced the amount of content.

Atleast quote my whole post including:

Siven80 wrote..."Will it effect the quality of the game? No one knows as we haven't played the full game yet.

It's my opinion that DA2 will have less content than DAO due to the shorter dev time, but i never said that will be a bad thing.
We havent played the full game yet, but what ive played of the demo i like, and if it has Bioware usualy quality the less content wont matter imo.

[AlexJK]

Demo-Mike wrote...

Lore is a writting job, it's not like  programmers were writting lore for sever years lol.

The combat is completyl redone, it looks nothing like the base DAO established. Even the spells,animation, evrything is redone.

i would say they needed more time.

Did I say that programmers were "writing lore for sever years lol"? Why do many people seem to think that game development is all programming? Creative aspects are equally important - art, cinematics, writing, etc. How much game "content" is produced by programmers rather than writers, level designers, etc.???

[Defekto21]

i will still play on hard...i like tactital aprouch to this game

[tenshi_no_hone]

Can we just stop responding to Demo-Mike?

It'll be fun to watch him angrily posting that everyone's ignoring him... Or he'll go away.

Win/win

[Amioran]

SLPr0 wrote...

I do, indeed know how business works and I know for a fact because I have a friend that is a regional manager of Gamestop who said not only did they have trouble keeping PC and XBox 360 copies of Mass Effect 2 on the shelves they also had to do several reorders for copies of the original Mass Effect as well.

Yes the first day of release is the "highest" point of sale but games continue to sell to new users after the release date on all platforms. Hell the PS3 version of ME2 was JUST RELEASED this January and its already sold 250,000 copies from all the information I can find.

Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 continue to sell units, right now, to this day, in fact I just bought both of them for my fiancee not more than a month ago, along with Dragon Age: Origins cause she'd never played PC games like them before. New people are constantly exposed to great gaming titles and DA:O and Mass Effect are two of the top rated games of in their class.

You act like if a game doesn't have a bunch of WoW nerds lined up around the block the day of release to buy 3.3 million copies on the first day its a failure. But thats -not- how business works, thats an online gaming/addiction phenomena which is completely invalid as a statistical point of "success" because it doesn't apply to the rest of the gaming industry as a whole.

Seriously, I don't know why you are still replying. It's obvious that the guy has not the minimal knowledge on the matters he speaks about, more he acts as if he is the next best thing after Salomon. To have a meaningful discussion you have to speak with somebody that at least show a minimal grasp of what is being talked about. Elsewhere you can even say the most important thing, he will neither notice. In reality truth matters very little in these things, what matter the most if what people think, one way or another, no matter how idiotic or asinise the thought.

Sometimes I fall for the trap too, but in reality all that these people want is just to have a little of attention. It is futile to reply intelligently and with proofs because either way they don't care to read nor they care to understand nor they will never admit to be wrong, either in front of evidence.

As Discorides said many years before Christ: "try to talk sense in a fool and he will think you foolish". Some things never changes.

Modifié par Amioran, 27 février 2011 - 03:15 .

[SLPr0]

Amioran wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

I do, indeed know how business works and I know for a fact because I have a friend that is a regional manager of Gamestop who said not only did they have trouble keeping PC and XBox 360 copies of Mass Effect 2 on the shelves they also had to do several reorders for copies of the original Mass Effect as well.

Yes the first day of release is the "highest" point of sale but games continue to sell to new users after the release date on all platforms. Hell the PS3 version of ME2 was JUST RELEASED this January and its already sold 250,000 copies from all the information I can find.

Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 continue to sell units, right now, to this day, in fact I just bought both of them for my fiancee not more than a month ago, along with Dragon Age: Origins cause she'd never played PC games like them before. New people are constantly exposed to great gaming titles and DA:O and Mass Effect are two of the top rated games of in their class.

You act like if a game doesn't have a bunch of WoW nerds lined up around the block the day of release to buy 3.3 million copies on the first day its a failure. But thats -not- how business works, thats an online gaming/addiction phenomena which is completely invalid as a statistical point of "success" because it doesn't apply to the rest of the gaming industry as a whole.

Seriously, I don't know why you are still replying. It's obvious that the guy has not the minimal knowledge on the matters he speaks about, more he acts as if he is the next best thing after Salomon. To have a meaningful discussion you have to speak with somebody that at least show a minimal grasp of what is being talked about. Elsewhere you can even say the most important thing, he will neither notice. In reality truth matters very little in these things, what matter the most if what people think, one way or another, no matter how idiotic or asinise the thought.

Sometimes I fall for the trap too, but in reality all that these people want is just to have a little of attention. It is futile to reply intelligently and with proofs because either way they don't care to read nor they care to understand nor they will never admit to be wrong, either in front of evidence.

As Discorides said many years before Christ: "try to talk sense in a fool and he will think you foolish". Some things never changes.

Eh I've stopped had to help one of my service techs with an engineering issue far more important than Demo-Mike.

[Demo-Mike]

SLPr0 wrote...

Amioran wrote...

SLPr0 wrote...

I do, indeed know how business works and I know for a fact because I have a friend that is a regional manager of Gamestop who said not only did they have trouble keeping PC and XBox 360 copies of Mass Effect 2 on the shelves they also had to do several reorders for copies of the original Mass Effect as well.

Yes the first day of release is the "highest" point of sale but games continue to sell to new users after the release date on all platforms. Hell the PS3 version of ME2 was JUST RELEASED this January and its already sold 250,000 copies from all the information I can find.

Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 continue to sell units, right now, to this day, in fact I just bought both of them for my fiancee not more than a month ago, along with Dragon Age: Origins cause she'd never played PC games like them before. New people are constantly exposed to great gaming titles and DA:O and Mass Effect are two of the top rated games of in their class.

You act like if a game doesn't have a bunch of WoW nerds lined up around the block the day of release to buy 3.3 million copies on the first day its a failure. But thats -not- how business works, thats an online gaming/addiction phenomena which is completely invalid as a statistical point of "success" because it doesn't apply to the rest of the gaming industry as a whole.

Seriously, I don't know why you are still replying. It's obvious that the guy has not the minimal knowledge on the matters he speaks about, more he acts as if he is the next best thing after Salomon. To have a meaningful discussion you have to speak with somebody that at least show a minimal grasp of what is being talked about. Elsewhere you can even say the most important thing, he will neither notice. In reality truth matters very little in these things, what matter the most if what people think, one way or another, no matter how idiotic or asinise the thought.

Sometimes I fall for the trap too, but in reality all that these people want is just to have a little of attention. It is futile to reply intelligently and with proofs because either way they don't care to read nor they care to understand nor they will never admit to be wrong, either in front of evidence.

As Discorides said many years before Christ: "try to talk sense in a fool and he will think you foolish". Some things never changes.

Eh I've stopped had to help one of my service techs with an engineering issue far more important than Demo-Mike.

Whats more important than hurling insults on random people on the internet?

A rock, something sub human, you were on a good roll.

[tenshi_no_hone]

...aaaaand true colours revealed.

He's an argument hound

[rob_k]

I thought we were going to go several posts/pages without responding to him, Tenshi.

Modifié par rob_k, 27 février 2011 - 04:39 .

[szsleepy]

I've really got to stop reading forums like this. People IRL disgust me in general for their overarching stupidity, and that shows even brighter on forums. Like you're all subject to some sort of e-down's syndrome.

It makes my stomache churn with bile. My teeth grind with seething hatred for all of you.

You complain about things you know nothing about and you whine about paying for anything as though your home currency is the shekel.

Play or don't. I don't give a rat's smelly ass. But for goodness sake, stop making a retard out of yourself on public forums.

[Bejjani1]

With the games release right around the corner, I'm a little concerned.
The environments seem very plain, simply not much detail at all. And for
me, environment is a big deal. With bland environemnts I will have a
harder time being immersed into the game.

However, if there are plenty of quality main and side quests, I won't mind the environment issues really.

Also, EA owning BioWare always makes me nervous. They have ruined enough quality game makers and I don't want BioWare to go down the same path because they made my favorite game of all time, Baldur's Gate II.

With that said, I have faith Dragon Age II will be a great game and I'm really looking forward to it.

[Lordless]

I think my favorite part of this thread so far was when Demo-Mike said that PC gamer should go die because they are so biased. From his subsequent posts I can tell that he is a paragon of moderation and critical thinking

[tenshi_no_hone]

rob_k wrote...

I thought we were going to go several posts/pages without responding to him, Tenshi.

Aaaah... you got me!

Thought I'd manage it if I didn't do it directly. And I'd have gotten away with it too...


EDIT: I love how this thread has become nostalgic for the good old days of itself

Modifié par tenshi_no_hone, 27 février 2011 - 11:21 .

[skelzor]

Does this Demo-Mike guy understand that it's EA that pushes Bioware to get the game out by the date that EA chooses. I'm sure Bioware would have loved to have had more time, but they are owned by EA now, and must do as EA tells them. The blame can't be placed on Bioware because they're just doing as they are told, and they still managed to make an incredible game.