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[afhdjs]

DAO seems to have humour in just the right places, whether it's Alistairs attempts to hide his insecurity through jokes, Lelianna's poor attempts to hide her major crush for the female PC, you teasing her about her "fruit", Oghren's crudeness, and your flirting with Duncan or Bann Teagan, but I'm not sure about how funny DA2 is. Not to trash the game or anything, because there are many things in the demo that I really liked, but Hawke's attempts at humour in it just falls flat. The game seems to give you a humourous dialogue option all the time, but nobody reacts to your remarks. This makes poor Hawke seem like an awkward person trying to be funny. Maybe it's the voice and facial expressions too. Like I personally thought that virtually all of Shepherd's attempts at humour simply in the 2 MEs are quite dull because of his/her monotone voice and lack of facial expression when doing it, and Hawke seems to have the same problem, though the VAs are definietly better than Shepard. Humour also seems to be poorly integrated with the context, and it is quite bizarre to see Hawke being a joker when running for his/her life against darkspawn. Maybe the game tries too much to be funny, without considering when humour would be best placed.

Also, there are some scenes in the demo seems to be lost opportunities for humour. Like Varric's exaggerated fight scene for Hawke at the start seems only a little exaggerated. If he was really trying exaggerate the story to tick off Cassandra, shouldn't Hawke zapping darkspawn with lightning bolts from his behind?

It's just my opinion, and I'm still looking forward to the game. But devs, what can you say to assure me that the game has humour?

[White_Buffalo94]

Filament wrote...

Those are supposed to be wiseass comments, that doesn't mean that everything that comes out of Hawke's mouth will be a punchline. It just means that's his/her general tone. Also...

afhdjs wrote...

If he was really trying exaggerate the story to tick off Cassandra, shouldn't Hawke zapping darkspawn with lightning bolts from his behind?

...No.

Yes, a wiseass is the word I was thinking of as well.
Also, we don't know much about the comedy yet, all we have seen is the demo compared to everything you mentioned in Origins being seen in the final product

[MasterSamson88]

Hard to come to conclusions of comedy and how all the dialogue will be essentially when the only thing we've seen is the demo and a few short cut scenes.

[Sphynx118]

afhdjs wrote...

DAO seems to have humour in just the right places, whether it's Alistairs attempts to hide his insecurity through jokes, Lelianna's poor attempts to hide her major crush for the female PC, you teasing her about her "fruit", Oghren's crudeness, and your flirting with Duncan or Bann Teagan, but I'm not sure about how funny DA2 is. Not to trash the game or anything, because there are many things in the demo that I really liked, but Hawke's attempts at humour in it just falls flat. The game seems to give you a humourous dialogue option all the time, but nobody reacts to your remarks. This makes poor Hawke seem like an awkward person trying to be funny. Maybe it's the voice and facial expressions too. Like I personally thought that virtually all of Shepherd's attempts at humour simply in the 2 MEs are quite dull because of his/her monotone voice and lack of facial expression when doing it, and Hawke seems to have the same problem, though the VAs are definietly better than Shepard. Humour also seems to be poorly integrated with the context, and it is quite bizarre to see Hawke being a joker when running for his/her life against darkspawn. Maybe the game tries too much to be funny, without considering when humour would be best placed.

Also, there are some scenes in the demo seems to be lost opportunities for humour. Like Varric's exaggerated fight scene for Hawke at the start seems only a little exaggerated. If he was really trying exaggerate the story to tick off Cassandra, shouldn't Hawke zapping darkspawn with lightning bolts from his behind?

It's just my opinion, and I'm still looking forward to the game. But devs, what can you say to assure me that the game has humour?

This is an bioware RPG not a monthy python movie -.-


Zapping darkspawns with lightningbolts from his behind? srsly?

Would you actually consider something like that as good humor?

[errant_knight]

I know what you're saying, because if I hadn't met Alistair, I might not have kept playing. I was concerned that the game wasn't going to be fairly grim until that point. Thing is, the Origins didn't have much humor, either. I'm hoping that will appear once we get into the main game. I'm not seeing a character that seems as immediately likable and funny as Alistair, but that doesn't mean none of them will add humor.

[afhdjs]

Sphynx118 wrote...

afhdjs wrote...

DAO seems to have humour in just the right places, whether it's Alistairs attempts to hide his insecurity through jokes, Lelianna's poor attempts to hide her major crush for the female PC, you teasing her about her "fruit", Oghren's crudeness, and your flirting with Duncan or Bann Teagan, but I'm not sure about how funny DA2 is. Not to trash the game or anything, because there are many things in the demo that I really liked, but Hawke's attempts at humour in it just falls flat. The game seems to give you a humourous dialogue option all the time, but nobody reacts to your remarks. This makes poor Hawke seem like an awkward person trying to be funny. Maybe it's the voice and facial expressions too. Like I personally thought that virtually all of Shepherd's attempts at humour simply in the 2 MEs are quite dull because of his/her monotone voice and lack of facial expression when doing it, and Hawke seems to have the same problem, though the VAs are definietly better than Shepard. Humour also seems to be poorly integrated with the context, and it is quite bizarre to see Hawke being a joker when running for his/her life against darkspawn. Maybe the game tries too much to be funny, without considering when humour would be best placed.

Also, there are some scenes in the demo seems to be lost opportunities for humour. Like Varric's exaggerated fight scene for Hawke at the start seems only a little exaggerated. If he was really trying exaggerate the story to tick off Cassandra, shouldn't Hawke zapping darkspawn with lightning bolts from his behind?

It's just my opinion, and I'm still looking forward to the game. But devs, what can you say to assure me that the game has humour?

This is an bioware RPG not a monthy python movie -.-


Zapping darkspawns with lightningbolts from his behind? srsly?

Would you actually consider something like that as good humor?

Imagine a person who is trying to turn every statement they make into a (often not good) smartass comment in real life, how awkward is that? Plus, in TV, movies etc when a character is funny they are always funny. They would either be a comic character or the comedy would be well timed or situational. In the latter case the character would be intentionally serious in most of the time to give the comic outburst its buzz. Hawke's smartass comments, even if they are not intended to be funny, have the potential to distract from any humour the game might want to give us, dull it or even make us not realize it.  

Modifié par afhdjs, 27 février 2011 - 05:56 .

[Duros]

The reviewers had high praise for DA2s party banter and humour, saying it was better then origins. I really doubt the demo showed much of anything like that.

[Mad-Max90]

Are you old enough to play M rated games, because your sense of humor is extremely childish, as a wiseass, I love the inclusion of those comments, and yes flemmeth does react to those statements, your argument is now invalid.

[Reznore57]

I hope there 's going to be some humour too.
I really enjoyed walking around in DAO , with my party goofing around .
It lightened up some loooong moment in the deep roads for example.

Hawke , in the demo , seems more sarcastic than funny , but i don't expect my character to be a clown anyway.
But i hope there will be some party member that squabble a bit like morrigan and alistair , their mutual hatred was really funny

[MasterSamson88]

Duros wrote...

The reviewers had high praise for DA2s party banter and humour, saying it was better then origins. I really doubt the demo showed much of anything like that.

Yeah, so far I think reviewers have highely rated just about everything story related so I'm not too worried.

[Veex]

afhdjs wrote...

Imagine a person who is trying to turn every statement they make into a (often not good) smartass comment in real life, how awkward is that?

Like Allistair? The character you praised in your original post does much of what you're criticizing. He dislikes confrontation and serious topics so he deflects everything with sarcasm.

[Raraptor]

I think this is a matter of taste, really... Just because you think something is funny doesn't mean I find it funny. It's a bit to early to say this now, it was only the demo, after all. I'm pretty sure the full game will have some nicely placed jokes.

[Duros]

Comedy =/= hawke's snarky comments. Not the same thing, or intended to be.

[Mad-Max90]

I'm just saying if any game had you shooting lightning out your ass, I would never buy it, why because it's tasteless humor, I like my humor to have a bit of class

[Nilbog79]

I don't know if Hawke's 'funny' personality was meant to be actually funny or not, but it was getting rather annoying towards the end of the demo and that was just the demo. I can easily see Hawke getting savagely mauled by his entire party after one corny joke too many.
Though I have to say MHawke VA is perfect for the 'funny' personality.

[Black-Xero]

I actually hated Alistair's jokes.They always annoyed me when he kept on trying to be humorous in situations where he shouldn't be.

[Gavinthelocust]

Duros wrote...

Comedy =/= hawke's snarky comments. Not the same thing, or intended to be.

This.
When I make snarky comments it's not meant to be funny, it's usually meant to insult stupidity or boost my ego.

[Celtic Latino]

I'd rather Dragon Age 2 NOT overdo the humor, lest it become the Fable series (great series...but I'd rather the setting take itself seriously).

I do agree that maybe a few lines from sarcastic Hawke are dry, but it's also more real. People in RL who are smart alecks don't always come up with the best lines. Just saying

[scootermcgaffin]

afhdjs wrote...

Also, there are some scenes in the demo seems to be lost opportunities for humour. Like Varric's exaggerated fight scene for Hawke at the start seems only a little exaggerated. If he was really trying exaggerate the story to tick off Cassandra, shouldn't Hawke zapping darkspawn with lightning bolts from his behind?

If that's what you find funny, I'm glad you thought the demo was lacking humor.

[afhdjs]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Are you old enough to play M rated games, because your sense of humor is extremely childish, as a wiseass, I love the inclusion of those comments, and yes flemmeth does react to those statements, your argument is now invalid.

So you don't find any toilet humour funny? Then you must have a problem with stand up comedy and just about every comedy Hollywood makes. Not any of Ogheren's f*rt, burp, drunk or masturbation comments in DAO and DAA are funny to you? I'm not saying crude humour should be everything, but it is a part of all comedy, and when properly timed it would be very funny.
 
May example is really about crude humour either, but the lack of any over the top scenes. given Varric's tendency to exaggerate there should be a lot of it. Plus, how over the top he makes the scenes out to be can also show his character (either sarcastic or whatever).

Modifié par afhdjs, 27 février 2011 - 06:20 .

[afhdjs]

Veex wrote...

afhdjs wrote...

Imagine a person who is trying to turn every statement they make into a (often not good) smartass comment in real life, how awkward is that?

Like Allistair? The character you praised in your original post does much of what you're criticizing. He dislikes confrontation and serious topics so he deflects everything with sarcasm.

Alistair's comments actually do a lot to reveal his character, which you discover in DAO through your conversation with him. You start to appreciate his character through his comments. It is quite awkward in DA2, however, because you are the character, and you are just throwing wisecracks for no reason at all.

[pitlord_special]

Eh, one of the things I liked least about Fallout 2 was how they put way too many jokes and pop culture references and it kind of killed the atmosphere I enjoyed in Fallout 1.

So, whenever a game comes out with a sequel one of the things I look for is if the developers/writers aren't taking things as seriously as in the original. I kind of got that feeling going from Mass Effect 1 to Mass Effect 2 so I'm hoping they've reigned in some of the ridiculousness in Dragon Age 2 but I have a feeling it'll be there and be excused as the product of the framed story and the dwarf's overactive imagination.

[BeljoraDien]

I actually think I know what you're getting at about the humor... The 'jokes' weren't that bad, but the dull delivery, strange pause(for loading the next audio clip?) followed by maybe a small laugh then a return to 'serious business' makes it seem like Hawke/Shepard is just being humored. Like your companions are afraid to not laugh at the joke 'cause you're the leader.

*Hawke cuts off the head of the last darkspawn in the group*
"Didn't your broodmother ever tell you not to run with scissors?"
(Dead air as the next audio clip loads.....)
"...ahaha, good one, boss... but seriously..."
(next line) "We must hurry! The darkspawn are finished crucifying all the men and are getting away with the little girls they rounded up!"

Modifié par BeljoraDien, 27 février 2011 - 06:32 .