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[David Gaider]

Saurel wrote...
Yeah Duncan was cornering him...and his reasoning with Jory wasn't so much reasoning as "You can't turn back"

really they should  have gotten Alistair in there "Ok Jory just calm down, ok....we're gonna have to kill you if you don't do this.."

"Is that alright with you?"

Well, *I* was always of the opinion that they should just wrestle him to the ground and pour it down his throat.

Or maybe they should just take your weapons away prior to the Joining?

Jory: "Why do you need my weapon?"
Alistair: "Tradition! Yes. Tradition. That."

Being overpowered by your understandably skittish recruits is probably a serious concern.

[Saurel]

SageGaspar wrote...

The interesting question I think is whether it would've been okay to do it had Jory just refused without doing anything aggressive.

I guess we're not sure if Duncan would even have killed him had Jory not drawn the sword. Guess that's something only David can answer hehe.

My gut instinct is that they would, just because it would make Duncan look more bad ass. Than everyone subduing Jory and forcing him to swallow the Darkspawn blood.

Most humiliating initiation ever. If he survived that Joining 

[Pyrusx]

I found it kind of funny. I stripped down Jory and Daveth right before that part simply for the extra couple silver, yet the game gave them weapons again. Obviously for the cutscene, but anyway.



Do wish there was an option to TRY to reason with Jory or Duncan at least, even if it ended up the same.

[Saurel]

David Gaider wrote...
Well, *I* was always of the opinion that they should just wrestle him to the ground and pour it down his throat.

Or maybe they should just take your weapons away prior to the Joining?

Jory: "Why do you need my weapon?"
Alistair: "Tradition! Yes. Tradition. That."

Being overpowered by your understandably skittish recruits is probably a serious concern.

If games had deleted scenes, I could see the above being one

Dev Team Commentary: "We just decided that having Alistair and the PC hogtie Jory while Duncan poured darkspawn blood down his throat wasn't the tone we wanted to set with this game.."

It would be great in Dragon Age: Special Edition for the Light Hearted.

In this version Daveth only gets a very nasty tummy ache.

[GhoXen]

Beertastic wrote...

Just in case no one noticed: This TROLL signed up today and has NO registered games.

I laugh at how stupid this troll is but I also almost feel inclined to laugh at the people giving him serious responses.. or worse yet, agreeing with him.

You know, that also means that he cannot view whatever is in the Spoiler Forum. Whatever we've tried to tell him have been in vain.

[Wintermist]

I don't see the reason he HAD to die really, just so that no one would be left alive to tell anyone they had to drink Darkspawn blood to become a Grey Warden.



Grey Warden Scribe 1: "Oh we must set some rules regarding this ritual too, you know... because if someone gets away no one will want to join anymore... it's a disaster.... everyone will know about the drinking of blood... it just rings bad with the common folks..."



Grey Warden Scribe 2: "Whoever drank the first time anyhow? Why would someone do that the very first time, you know, to find out?"



Grey Warden Scribe 1: *shrug*



Grey Warden Scribe 2: "I'll just write something then, shall I...

[Bryy_Miller]

veryalien wrote...

Jory drew his weapon first.

Clearly, Jory is Han Solo.

[Bryy_Miller]

Saurel wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
Well, *I* was always of the opinion that they should just wrestle him to the ground and pour it down his throat.

Or maybe they should just take your weapons away prior to the Joining?

Jory: "Why do you need my weapon?"
Alistair: "Tradition! Yes. Tradition. That."

Being overpowered by your understandably skittish recruits is probably a serious concern.

If games had deleted scenes, I could see the above being one

Dev Team Commentary: "We just decided that having Alistair and the PC hogtie Jory while Duncan poured darkspawn blood down his throat wasn't the tone we wanted to set with this game.."

It would be great in Dragon Age: Special Edition for the Light Hearted.

In this version Daveth only gets a very nasty tummy ache.

.... this needs to be done.

[Saurel]

Wintermist wrote...

I don't see the reason he HAD to die really, just so that no one would be left alive to tell anyone they had to drink Darkspawn blood to become a Grey Warden.

Alistair: "Duncan, how about this?  Instead of Jory becoming a Grey Warden , he shall become our Squire and follow us with coconuts! Oh it will be a jolly good time."

Duncan places half a coconut in each of Jory's hands

Jory: "There is no Glory in this"

Alistair: "And off we go! Start singing Jory!"

Modifié par Saurel, 15 novembre 2009 - 08:16 .

[Wintermist]

Hehehehe.

[Angloow]

Should've made him go first.

[illpassonmyname]

really they should  have gotten Alistair in there "Ok Jory just calm down, ok....we're gonna have to kill you if you don't do this.."

"Is that alright with you?"

[/quote]

LOL....i was thinking the same thing.


This has got to be the funniest thread I have ever read for this game. hahahaahhaa

[Kalfear]

DSEButchr wrote...

Duncan murders Jory.  Your character is forced to join a murderer and like it.  Your not even given the choice about how you feel about it.

I am curious if Bioware intended on forcing the player to be evil in their game.  I have no desire to play an evil character.  The idea was a heroic character saving something.  If you can't be good and do it, why play the game at all.

Frankly I'd like my money back.  You have a beautiful game to look at with absolutely no morals what so ever.

If later in the story we get to put Duncan on trial for murder and see him put in a dungeon forever or hung that might redeem the story a bit.  So far it's upset me to the point I find it hard to continue playing.

Yikes, gotta say its probably good you stopped playing if a storyline murder has effected you this much!

Obviously fantasy fiction, which is typically brutal at points, might be to much for you to handle and process.

Not trying to be rude but people that get this wound up over what happens in a game or a book shouldnt be playing computer games or reading books (expecially history books of any kind).

Id also suggest you not watch the South Park episode "Dancing with Smurfs"

Just looking out for you is all

[Ardeco]

The Joining is terribly flawed. Let's examine it:

1) I/We, the Grey Warden(s), will inform you that the act of becoming a Warden is dangerous

2) Once accepting that said act is dangerous, you will be unable to break your obligation to participate in it

3) The Grey Wardens have the power of consription, and may therefore force anyone to join their ranks

4) Those who join and refuse to partake in the Joining have breached a sacred deal and must be killed

I never understood Duncan's mention of "no turning back." How can anyone refuse the offer to join the Wardens if they possess the power of conscription? To claim that the trainees have been "warned" and could have turned away fails to speak to the aforementioned power.

We are also never informed why sharing the details of the Joining would be dangerous. The Circle has the Harrowing, which can be fatal. I recall non-Warden NPCS mentioning that they knew of how dangerous the Joining could be. If people already know that it's dangerous, why the secrecy? If people knew that the Wardens drank Darkspawn blood, would they condemn them? I fail to see the problem.

Modifié par Melchiz, 15 novembre 2009 - 08:46 .

[Zenthar Aseth]

Well, the Grey Warden's have the power of conscription... but I got the idea they just use that to get the potential recruit out of the organization he's currently in. I doubt they'd force anyone to join the Grey Wardens.. that'd be dumb. There's no use creating a Grey Warden who doesn't want to be one.

[Gill Kaiser]

Technically, Jory pulled out his weapon and attacked Duncan first. Also, he clearly wasn't willing to submit to the Joining, yet he had been told the secret of what it entailed and warned there was no turning back. If he spread that knowledge, it would drastically reduce the number of willing candidates for the Wardens, which would hardly be a good thing, especially during a Blight. The Wardens do what it necessary to defeat Blights, so Jory had to either drink the blood, or die.

[Zenthar Aseth]

I doubt it's because he'd tell what happens in the Joining. Warriors who are ready to battle the Darkspawn their whole life should not be afraid of a chance to die.. a Coward like Jory would probably have died fairly quickly anywyas..

[Gill Kaiser]

I knew as soon as he mentioned his pregnant wife that he wouldn't make it through the first act.

[Never]

I really liked Jory until he chickened out.  You'd think with a wife and child on the way he would be more inclined to do what was necessary!  I would have liked to shank him myself if Duncan hadn't.

[GhoXen]

Melchiz wrote...

I never understood Duncan's mention of "no turning back." How can anyone refuse the offer to join the Wardens if they possess the power of conscription? To claim that the trainees have been "warned" and could have turned away fails to speak to the aforementioned power.

Of course it isn't fair. Duncan doesn't recruit just anyone either, Grey Wardens seek only the best of the best. Ser Jory had a choice to join or not join Grey Wardens, he decided to join by trying to impress Duncan intentionally with all the winning and whatnot.

Grey Wardens also do not recruit frequently. Certainly they don't recruit a whole army in one go either. It's the wisdom to know and use the power they bear that makes the Grey Wardens at the game's time what they are, and not the bunch who got kicked out of Fereldan.

[Xyan]

I also disagree with the way Duncan handled it. Since you do not just recruit anyone, He could have made the recruit swore an vow of secrecy or something and then tell the truth of the joining. To let the recruits know the full truth only during the ritual can only be classify as "false advertising". In our world, the lawyers will be all over them.



It just seems.. inhumane...

[Ellzedd]

I'll say what i always say do these ludacris posts. If you are so fragile that you can't rp this stuff without actually feeling like a dirty murderer, if you get so invovled that you think it's real, if you live in some bubble world where everything has to be good and you must always be a hero.



You're obviously too sensitive for this sort of content. Research your purchase.



... GO AWAY

[Krenmu]

Well..I think Duncan waited to long to kill him..it should have been quicker..he drew a sword knowing that there are two ways out of the Joining..Grey Warden, or death..thats it. As soon as he drew his blade he should have been killed. He was warned..he acknowledged the warning. I would have much preferred to see Alistair tackle him and stab him repeatedly..but thats a bit sadistic.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Xyan wrote...

I also disagree with the way Duncan handled it. Since you do not just recruit anyone, He could have made the recruit swore an vow of secrecy or something and then tell the truth of the joining. To let the recruits know the full truth only during the ritual can only be classify as "false advertising". In our world, the lawyers will be all over them.

It just seems.. inhumane...

That's.. incredibly naïve. "Vow of secrecy"? 

Err.. and what good would something like that do? "Yeah, yeah, I vow! (At least until I get out of your sight, then I'm going to spread the word all over!)"

[Maria Caliban]

SageGaspar wrote...

The interesting question I think is whether it would've been okay to do it had Jory just refused without doing anything aggressive.

I guess we're not sure if Duncan would even have killed him had Jory not drawn the sword. Guess that's something only David can answer hehe.

They probably would have forced him to drink the blood.