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[The Cow King]

One thing I've always wondered is why module makers don't use trailer music in their modules? Personally I think nwn(+2) doesn't have the same kind of brilliant music as Baldur's Gate for example, and I believe any long term nwn player has rather lost the kick hearing the same rural/boss fight song for the umpteeth time.

Some examples of music that would fit great in nwn modules.

www.youtube.com/watch

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Music like this often has a no-choir version as well if that is a problem, and I believe copyright shouldn't be an issue either. If there is going to be an epic battle in your module, you might as well have epic music playing in the background!

Modifié par The Cow King, 27 février 2011 - 11:58 .

[Alupinu]

You know TCK, some of these links are really good. Maybe I will see about some fresh music for Fanglewood. Thank you for posting.

[kamal_]

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/167/index/5727710

[Shaughn78]

I have used 3c music pack for a bit of different music. Last I checked their music 2da was only updated to MotB and missing a number of lines from that game and doesn't include SoZ. A bit of 2da merging knowledge is needed for builders to incorporate.

I tend to avoid the nwn2/nwn music unless it truely fits the feel of the area I am creating. I spend a lot of time listening to numerous tracks in the area trying to find something that matches. I have even replace the main menu/character creation music as I really dislike almost all the SoZ music.

[PJ156]

I think copyright should not be a problem if you don't get caught Otherwise I think the owners would be expecting a little something for thier troubles.

If I am correct (please update me if not) you can sample 30 seconds of music and be free of the royalties. Otherwise you should pay. I have done the right thing and asked three people for permission to use thier music. One has said yes the other have said no, pay me.

As it goes I paid one of them and got three tracks for 25 USD but we are not talking top 20 here.

Thats said you have to be caught with the music first and I am going to bet that is unlikely.

Theres lots of free stuff out there as well. Check Kamals link.

PJ

Modifié par PJ156, 28 février 2011 - 06:50 .

[StrangeCat Productions]

25 dollars?  LOL

In the real world writing music for a game the composer would be paid at the lowest price 250 dollars for one minute of music.  Yea that's right 1:00 of music, that's one track, 250.00 dollars.

Of course that's working for a company that is going to put out a commercial release.

Maimed God's Saga will always have better music then just using sound packs because it's directed better then most big budget games and uses a score that is only for the Maimed God's Saga.   Basically Maimed God's Saga is a mod that is actually a full game with a full game soundtrack.

There are lot of composes out there though that create just basic tracks for a certain emotion or event for film, games, whatever, and sell them cheap.  Generally they make money off the royalties. 


www.strangecatproductions.com

[Alupinu]

…ok what about if you have paid for the music as in bought the CD, ect. Does that give me the legal right to use it in my mod? Or just the right to listen to the music?

[StrangeCat Productions]

since these are non commercial projects using music from a cd is fine it's not creative commons but your not trying to sell anything with the music either.

Yea Chaos Wielder there are tons of people out there willing to compose music for a mod. In fact if your on a film or game forum and someone goes "I need music for this film, or game" There will be 40 people replying all trying to say they'll do the music(that's from one post!) And lot of those people will be ones with experience in composing for film, tv etc.

www.strangecatproductions.com

[Alupinu]

@SCP, you seem to have some insight in the industry. Let me ask you a question. Do you think a company like Midnight Syndicate would even care if somebody like me was to borrow say… 20 of their tracks for his mod?

[Arkalezth]

Chaos Wielder wrote...

Since we're working on non-commercial projects, I cannot imagine a serious issue.

This absolutely makes sense. However, I've heard about some cases (sometimes ridiculous) that had serious issues.

I wonder which laws are applied here. I guess the worse it can happen is having to remove commercial music from the module.

[PJ156]

StrangeCat Productions wrote...

25 dollars?  LOL

In the real world writing music for a game the composer would be paid at the lowest price 250 dollars for one minute of music.  Yea that's right 1:00 of music, that's one track, 250.00 dollars.

Yup! two tracks for 25 USD though not the complete track I only got permission to sample beyound 30 seconds.

I promised I would do this too:

Traditional Medieval music.

I had to buy the CD to at 15 USD.

This is a very good source for this type of music it contains come classics and some I have not come across as well.

There, they got thier 25 dollars worth I think

PJ

Modifié par PJ156, 03 mars 2011 - 12:58 .

[PJ156]

Alupinu wrote...

@SCP, you seem to have some insight in the industry. Let me ask you a question. Do you think a company like Midnight Syndicate would even care if somebody like me was to borrow say… 20 of their tracks for his mod?

Check out here.

I'm going to defer to SCP but I think there is more to this. I agree people may queue up to do this for free but they would rather not. Portfolio building is the basis for many people to begin a career based on thier creative talent, but it is not where they hope to end it as SCP's link in his posts suggests .

I came across this in my search for the art work for Last Days of the Raven. I found someone who did what I wanted, and she said no to free use, she had passed the days where she had to do what she did for free just to raise her profile. I understand her position and in the end I got a felt tip out and did it myself - that I can't do with orchestrated music

That we do this not for profit is mute. The person who created thier music, invested in the technology or hired the musicians to bring thier art to life did not. Some may say yes some may say no and we should respect that, in the same way that if a person rips one of our areas we would expect a thank you and credit.

I'm not taking a moral stand here, I am presenting a case for discussion. I generally try to stay on the right side of these things but my avatar is a copyright image, all be it an old one (I asked and got no response).

I do however come from the camp of - if permission is not explicit in the web site (as it is on many) then ask. A no seldom offends me but I choose to take a disinterested non answer as a possible yes  

I would appreciate your opinion SCP, I don't understand the term creative commons.

PJ

Modifié par PJ156, 03 mars 2011 - 01:03 .

[StrangeCat Productions]

Yo!
Creative commons give you the legal right to use someons music in your project, video, etc.
You have to check for a CC-license.

if you haven't paid for the music you shouldn't just borrow it and use it in your project.

I am proud of the work I did for Maimed God's Saga.   I wanted to compose and direct a game soundtrack and I did one^_-

Some tracks can really tear it up if I remember....like The Mistress's Cave music and Feast of Flesh.

hit me up if you have any questions about anything. 

[dunniteowl]

And bear in mind, that in general, copyright law provides for civil, not criminal action. This usually begins with a Cease and Desist Injunction. A C&D is basically saying, "Hey, man! You using my junk in your junk and you din't ax me? You gotta stop dat. Now."
And of course, the explicit information includes what will then occur if you do not comply by X-date (and sometimes you get a date explicit for compliance to be considered "complete" and at other times, it is effective immediately.)

If you use something you don't explicitly have permission to use, and you aren't attempting to claim it as your own, generally everything is fine once you comply with a C&D. Of course, you could take the tack: It's easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission. I recommend that when you're at work and you're making a tactical decision with some resource you'd normally have to ask to use. In the case of music and artwork, you really (especially considering the nature of most of our efforts as builders) should be doing your level best to get permission.

I like PJ156's attitude. Yes means yes, no means no and no answer is a tacit, umm, sure, I guess.

And of course, I would expect that it is understood that using, say, the theme music from something like Star Wars, or X-Men would be something to shy away from at all times. That said, the London Philharmonic's rendition of "The Blue Danube" might not be something to concern yourself over.

It boils down to using sound consideration of the sound you're considering.

dunniteowl

[Alupinu]

StrangeCat Productions wrote...


if you haven't paid for the music you shouldn't just borrow it and use it in your project.

Ok, you guys have made a good point so I’m drafting a letter. Hopefully they will let me use the music but realistically I’m not putting much stock in it.
 
In case I’m unable to use the music that I have now can anybody recommend where I might find some free legal music. I have already posted that I’m using custom music, I really don’t want to disappoint.
 
SCP, what about your material?
 
alupinu

Modifié par Alupinu, 03 mars 2011 - 04:30 .

[The Cow King]

The thing is, the chances of you getting a complaint for using copyright music (that isn't even in mp3 format) in your non-profit nwn2 module (that is housed in nwvault and gets, optimistically, 5k downloads) is next to non-existent, comparable to winning the lottery.

If it's a fan-made track produced by a single person, then you might as well ask for permission, but to ask something like that from a real composer is like sending email to the president of the united states.

Modifié par The Cow King, 03 mars 2011 - 04:43 .

[Omega27]

Alupinu wrote...

StrangeCat Productions wrote...


if you haven't paid for the music you shouldn't just borrow it and use it in your project.

Ok, you guys have made a good point so I’m drafting a letter. Hopefully they will let me use the music but realistically I’m not putting much stock in it.
 
In case I’m unable to use the music that I have now can anybody recommend where I might find some free legal music. I have already posted that I’m using custom music, I really don’t want to disappoint.
 
SCP, what about your material?
 
alupinu

You know to be honest i wouldnt think it would be an issue if you used someone's else music, just as long as it wasnt a publish work to the point where your making money from it. Seeing as our Neverwinter Night mods arnt really purchase items, we are not gaining anything but simple attention. Also like ive done in my mods server credits i mentioned ever mussican, that track i used in my mod. So its like writing a paper and stating your sources. So you cant be accountable for stealing work.