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[TJPags]

PurebredCorn wrote...

TheCreeper wrote...

, is Blood Magic an inherently bad kind of magic that only a few select people can use without abusing it, abusing others with it or consorting with demons? Or can it be a genuine force for good if used by people with self control?

This is a good question. I assumed that since the only way your warden could get it was from a corrupted spirit in Origins by doing, what I consider, an evil act then it must be inherently bad. But the actual blood magic itself, and the act of mind control or whatever doesn't seem any more evil than if you use fire to kill someone or lightning or crushing prison. The victim still ends up just as dead.

^^ this.

A thing is not evil.  How you use it is.

A blood mage who uses his own blood to fuel a healing spell is doing good.  A "normal" mage who uses fireball to kill a room full of school children is evil.

[ProfessionalPirate]

Alanosborn1991 wrote...


^Killing templars in DAO without Persuasion check as Blood Mage after Circle tower Quest^

How to do you embed a video in a post?

Wait, what? How.....? Wynne never batted an eyelash when I used blood magic, how does that conversation get triggered?

[JamesX]

The Minority wrote...

It's considered evil because mages use it to abuse everyone. And that makes the Chantry sad.

Fixed it for you

But on a related manner.  Jowan actually was doing good at the end.  Saving villagers from Dark Spawns.   At least for the immediate future he is still good, so Blood mages are not automatic evil. Though he is the only "good," at least at the end, blood mage in the game I think.

Modifié par JamesX, 28 février 2011 - 04:04 .

[TJPags]

JamesX wrote...

The Minority wrote...

It's considered evil because mages use it to abuse everyone. And that makes the Chantry sad.

Fixed it for you

Really?

Hmmm  ..  .who did Anders, Wynne, Morrigan and Velanna abuse?  They can all be blood mages, you know.

[marcusgs221]

TJPags wrote...

JamesX wrote...

The Minority wrote...

It's considered evil because mages use it to abuse everyone. And that makes the Chantry sad.

Fixed it for you

Really?

Hmmm  ..  .who did Anders, Wynne, Morrigan and Velanna abuse?  They can all be blood mages, you know.

They abused my patience quite a few times.

[Naitaka]

There's a semi-good blood mage from the Dragon Age comic, he a bunch of followers who donate blood to power his spells and actually seem a pretty decent guy.

[fighterchick]

I think cutting themselves to sustain their own spells is fine, but the other aspects, like mind control, obviously, are bad. I mean, it's not much worse than some of the other branches of magic. I mean, the spirit school of magic has things like death syphon, virulent walking bomb, and animate dead. Entropy has drain life, death magic, death cloud, curse of mortality.

[ExistsAlready]

Party members are obviously whatever spec they start as canonically and nothing else. Not even the "No Anders, you are the blood mages!" bit of dialogue in Awakening changes that.

[fighterchick]

TJPags wrote...

JamesX wrote...

The Minority wrote...

It's considered evil because mages use it to abuse everyone. And that makes the Chantry sad.

Fixed it for you

Really?

Hmmm  ..  .who did Anders, Wynne, Morrigan and Velanna abuse?  They can all be blood mages, you know.

Velanna abused plenty.  I'm sure if she had blood magic before the Warden got to her, she would have used it on the caravans to kill each other through mind control, or things equally unpleasant.  

Morrigan had my Warden kill poor Flemeth.  Anders abused my patience and Wynne as a blood mage just made no sense!

[Rockworm503]

It opens up the possibilities to demons coming through to our world. If misused it can make you an abomination and no one can argue that those things aren't evil. But all power is open to abuse. Power corrupts its that simple what makes Blood magic any less evil than a chantry that brain washes people and controls out of fear is beyond me.

[Taleroth]

megaz635 wrote...

Its taught by demons.

Demons are evil.

Demons are capable of teaching just about anything.

But it comes from the Elves.

[JamesX]

TJPags wrote...
Really?

Hmmm  ..  .who did Anders, Wynne, Morrigan and Velanna abuse?  They can all be blood mages, you know.

That is because as a Player you set them up as Blood mages.  In actual game lore they would never be blood mages.  That is attributed more as the player's lack of role-plaing than world setting

The fix is because the original poster seems to indicate that the only reason it is labeled as evil is because it gives he mages advantages against the Templars.

Which I fixed because that is not as accurate as that Blood Mages are feared because they are the easiest path to power and can readily lead itself to using other people's blood for their path to power.  A Normal mage has far less use for other people.  Grabbing another magic user or even peasants would do him/her little good.  While a Blood Mage has all the incentive in the world to kidnap and use other people to fuel his magic.

etc. etc.  It by itself is not evil, but its use can readily lead to abuse - and many who pursuit its path are doing so exactly for that reason.  it is a quick path to power, and those who seek it often are doing so because they want that power.  Again it is a generalization.

[steelfire_dragon]

the force.... rember the force.

there is no light or dark sides of the force there is only the force.

only the intent is what counts....

as for the blood magic, no its not evil per say, but it can be corrupting for those who abuse their own power.

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[TJPags]

fighterchicks wrote...

TJPags wrote...

JamesX wrote...

The Minority wrote...

It's considered evil because mages use it to abuse everyone. And that makes the Chantry sad.

Fixed it for you

Really?

Hmmm  ..  .who did Anders, Wynne, Morrigan and Velanna abuse?  They can all be blood mages, you know.

Velanna abused plenty.  I'm sure if she had blood magic before the Warden got to her, she would have used it on the caravans to kill each other through mind control, or things equally unpleasant.  

Morrigan had my Warden kill poor Flemeth.  Anders abused my patience and Wynne as a blood mage just made no sense!

  LOL.   Okay, fair enough.

[Aestrix]

Hmm... well, I wouldn't go so far as to call it 'evil.' Even though it's taught by a demon in DA:O, that doesn't mean that's the only place you can learn it from (As Jowan displayed), so I never consider it demonic. My opinion of it was that it's a quick and dirty way to power, especially if you use the blood of others. Using your own blood is alright, I suppose, but rather short sighted since you need  that stuff to not die. It's powerful, but either dangerous (to yourself) or just plain mean (to others).

However, it's such an easy ability to abuse, with the use of controlling others through their blood, along with blood sacrifices to power spells. So... even if it isn't evil, it's obviously very dangerous.

I refuse to write off a legitimate type of magic as evil because of how some blood mages act. As someone pointed out earlier, you can be a perfect angel even as a blood mage. Instead I just think that it's very powerful, and therefore very dangerous. Power's not evil, but it can easily lead to abuse.

Should it be monitored? Yes. Can it be used safely? Yes. Should it be allowed to reign free? Of course not, but it's not evil.

However, I do think that if all mages were blood mages, the Chantry's Templars would be smeared all over the ceiling. Whether or not this is a good thing is a matter of opinion.

Modifié par denise9laura, 28 février 2011 - 04:14 .

[marcusgs221]

JamesX wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Really?

Hmmm  ..  .who did Anders, Wynne, Morrigan and Velanna abuse?  They can all be blood mages, you know.

That is because as a Player you set them up as Blood mages.  In actual game lore they would never be blood mages.  That is attributed more as the player's lack of role-plaing than world setting

The fix is because the original poster seems to indicate that the only reason it is labeled as evil is because it gives he mages advantages against the Templars.

Which I fixed because that is not as accurate as that Blood Mages are feared because they are the easiest path to power and can readily lead itself to using other people's blood for their path to power.  A Normal mage has far less use for other people.  Grabbing another magic user or even peasants would do him/her little good.  While a Blood Mage has all the incentive in the world to kidnap and use other people to fuel his magic.

etc. etc.  It by itself is not evil, but its use can readily lead to abuse - and many who pursuit its path are doing so exactly for that reason.  it is a quick path to power, and those who seek it often are doing so because they want that power.  Again it is a generalization.

this is a good point, other schools dont use people as fuel.

[Naitaka]

TJPags wrote...

fighterchicks wrote...

TJPags wrote...

JamesX wrote...

The Minority wrote...

It's considered evil because mages use it to abuse everyone. And that makes the Chantry sad.

Fixed it for you

Really?

Hmmm  ..  .who did Anders, Wynne, Morrigan and Velanna abuse?  They can all be blood mages, you know.

Velanna abused plenty.  I'm sure if she had blood magic before the Warden got to her, she would have used it on the caravans to kill each other through mind control, or things equally unpleasant.  

Morrigan had my Warden kill poor Flemeth.  Anders abused my patience and Wynne as a blood mage just made no sense!

  LOL.   Okay, fair enough.

As if she couldn't do the same if not worse with every OTHER school of magic? Heck she can probably even kill people in horrible ways with creation school.

[Taleroth]

marcusgs221 wrote...

this is a good point, other schools dont use people as fuel.

Except Entropy.  How about Spirit, which can turn people into bombs?

[fighterchick]

Wait, was it ever explained how Jowan did learn blood magic? I always assumed it was from a demon. 0_o

[Taleroth]

fighterchicks wrote...

Wait, was it ever explained how Jowan did learn blood magic? I always assumed it was from a demon. 0_o

He would have learned it from other apprentices or practice.  Most unharrowed apprentices would probably turn into an abomination if they had such contact with a demon.

[marcusgs221]

Taleroth wrote...

marcusgs221 wrote...

this is a good point, other schools dont use people as fuel.

Except Entropy.  How about Spirit, which can turn people into bombs?

those are the effects of the spell not the energy that makes them happen.

[Dark Knight X]

I'm planning on making my Lady Hawke a good blood mage, so no, I don't think blood mage is inherently bad. It's how you use it or the person using it ( or abusing it ) that makes it evil.

My blood mage Lady Hawke will be a force of good and justice in Kirkwall........

[fighterchick]

Naitaka wrote...


As if she couldn't do the same if not worse with every OTHER school of magic? Heck she can probably even kill people in horrible ways with creation school.

I definitely wasn't being serious with that.  My point (I'm still not sure I entirely had one!) was that Velanna was pretty evil without it.  She killed the caravans and looked down on everyone who wasn't Dalish and used her magic against humans.  With or without the blood magic, like you said, she obviously did do a lot of damage.  She'd probably kill people terribly with her hands if she could!  

I think the mages that you get as companions who aren't technically blood mages (aka, you have to make them one) aren't good examples to use.