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[Corpsetorn]

Is anyone else expecting or hoping we see Kahlee in ME3? Or any of the other characters from the novel?

At this point I think it would be almost out of place not to see her in the final game of the trilogy. Considering the liklihood of running into Adm/Counsilor Anderson at some point during the game, and considering how Retribution ended, it'd be odd to see a reference to or appearence of her excluded yet again.

[Zulu_DFA]

Yeah, I kinda wish to see her too. A woman worth screwing the Galaxy over must be a sex bomb. Miranda must look shaggy next to her.

[Corpsetorn]

Ha, don't forget, she's already taken by your senior officer.

[Zulu_DFA]

Corpsetorn wrote...

Ha, don't forget, she's already taken by your senior officer.

You mean the traitor I'd took pleasure in publicly executing?

[Sajuro]

What about the choice of handing Gillian Grayson over to TIM or helping her escape again when the Quarian ship comes back from its voyage?
Also, Hendel (The Security Chief) for squadmate in ME3

[Corpsetorn]

Anderson?

[Icinix]

Depends on how ME3 handles retribution I guess...

But would be awesome to see the players from the novels make some sort of appearance.

[Sajuro]

Corpsetorn wrote...

Anderson?

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/105/index/6038962/1

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...

Corpsetorn wrote...

Anderson?

http://social.biowar...index/6038962/1

Yes, this.

And that.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 février 2011 - 05:45 .

[Corpsetorn]

Sajuro wrote...

What about the choice of handing Gillian Grayson over to TIM or helping her escape again when the Quarian ship comes back from its voyage?
Also, Hendel (The Security Chief) for squadmate in ME3

I fully support this post in it's entirety.

Plus adding Hendel would open up a romance slot for male Shep for those who are male and gay. So far only lesbians are given an appropriate choice.

[Zack56]

Icinix wrote...

Depends on how ME3 handles retribution I guess...

But would be awesome to see the players from the novels make some sort of appearance.

That's not how I remember it. Didn't they split up after Retribution because a long-distence relationship would not work? That's why David divorced his wife in the first place.

Modifié par Zack56, 28 février 2011 - 05:56 .

[Corpsetorn]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Corpsetorn wrote...

Anderson?

http://social.biowar...index/6038962/1

Yes, this.

And that.

I suppose this comes down to how you feel about the ME universe. I personally fully support healthy inter-species political and economical relationships. As such, I felt Anderson acted admirably with his decision to work with the Turians.

The Alliance is clearly not full of saints, and given how easily and heavily it was infiltrated by Cerberus, I too would have went to the Turians.

I don't always see eye to eye with the Counsil, in fact I often don't. But I also certainly don't believe humanity should hold itself superior to other species, considering they have only been a part of the galactic community for a few decades where other species have a far easier time cooperating than do many humans. It is exemplified in Revelation when it was elaborated on that humanity had only finally stopped warring with itself upon the discovery of alien species. Humanity's role in the galaxy mirrors humanity's real world attitude even among other members of it's species. We always think we are right, and if the other guy disagrees, then to war with him we go. Humanity is a bully, if something in someone else's neck of the woods bothers them, they kick down doors and say "the h*ll is going on around here?"

But it comes back to how you feel about the position in the galaxy your species is in and can tie in very well with your real world philosophies. If you are a cultural relativist (like myself) you don't judge other cultures by your own culture's standards. In this case, you would support human cooperation with other species and seek to make strong alliances among them. However, if you are an ethnocentrist and tend to judge all other cultures by your own cultures standards, seeing other cultural norms that don't fall in line with yours as "weird" or "wrong," then chances are you are going to support aggressive human expansion and human dominence.

Bottom line, the Illusive Man and Cerberus are far too extreme for any viewpoint. Even if you feel humanity is not getting it's due from the other species as opposed to believing humanity has yet to prove itself worthy and reliable, Cerberus is a terrorist organization that only serves to belittle humanity's plight. They gave Shep the means, but that doesn't make them the saviors. TIM was more than happy to sit back and betray or decieve humanity's greatest asset at every turn "to get results" while simultaneously avoiding getting his hands dirty. He's a despicable zealot who has played his own hype up so much that he actually has himself convinced of his own propeganda. Sure, he seems noble NOW because he is taking on the reaper threat where politicians have covered it up, but what happens once that's over? He'll go back to being the same underhanded self-important fundamentalist who wouldn't think twice about slitting an innocent Asari's throat if it meant the release of a mass murdering Cerberus criminal.

Modifié par Corpsetorn, 28 février 2011 - 06:14 .

[Corpsetorn]

Zack56 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Depends on how ME3 handles retribution I guess...

But would be awesome to see the players from the novels make some sort of appearance.

That's not how I remember it. Didn't they split up after Retribution because a long-distence relationship would not work? That's why David divorced his wife in the first place.

No. They parted ways in Revelation because she was taking a new job and she knew Anderson would always be a military man first. After years of service and being relegated to a paper pushing politician Anderson was finally willing to allow something more into his life than just his career. At the end of Retribution Kahlee agreed to return to the Citadel with Anderson to study Grayson's body, sharing a long kiss before commenting that Nick might get jelouse.

Modifié par Corpsetorn, 28 février 2011 - 06:12 .

[Quole]

No, most of the characters in the novels were completely retarded.

[Sajuro]

Corpsetorn wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

What about the choice of handing Gillian Grayson over to TIM or helping her escape again when the Quarian ship comes back from its voyage?
Also, Hendel (The Security Chief) for squadmate in ME3

I fully support this post in it's entirety.

Plus adding Hendel would open up a romance slot for male Shep for those who are male and gay. So far only lesbians are given an appropriate choice.

almost forgot that he was gay, that would be good if male shep finally got some love in that department. I just want him based on how tough he was, pretty much getting up and fighting despite taking the majority of the punishment handed to the protaganists in Ascension.

[marshalleck]

I very much doubt we'll see Hendel considering he left with the quarian expedition which was expected to take years.

[Sajuro]

marshalleck wrote...

I very much doubt we'll see Hendel considering he left with the quarian expedition which was expected to take years.

5 to be exact, 3 have already passed between then and retribution. The expedition might find a planet and come back to the flotilla so they can take the non combatant Quarians there so the flotilla can join Shepard in the fight against the Reapers.

[Undertone]

I don't want any connection between ME3 and the crappy books/comics.

[BarryMEA]

Gillian is the deus ex machina

[Corpsetorn]

Undertone wrote...

I don't want any connection between ME3 and the crappy books/comics.

I enjoyed them thoroughly.

[Zulu_DFA]

[quote]Corpsetorn wrote...
[quote]Zulu_DFA wrote...
[quote]Sajuro wrote...
[quote]Corpsetorn wrote...

Anderson?[/quote]
http://social.biowar...index/6038962/1
[/quote]
Yes, this.

And that.
[/quote]
I suppose this comes down to how you feel about the ME universe. I personally fully support healthy inter-species political and economical relationships. As such, I felt Anderson acted admirably with his decision to work with the Turians
[/quote]
Yes, he acted admirably to destroy the healthy inter-species political and economic relationships and create a political sh*tstorm in their place.


[quote]Corpsetorn wrote...

The Alliance is clearly not full of saints, and given how easily and heavily it was infiltrated by Cerberus, I too would have went to the Turians. [/quote]
Because the Turians are clearly full of saints and lack any hawks of their own who'd use the situation to screw over Humanity, right?


[quote]Corpsetorn wrote...

I don't always see eye to eye with the Counsil, in fact I often don't. But I also certainly don't believe humanity should hold itself superior to other species, considering they have only been a part of the galactic community for a few decades where other species have a far easier time cooperating than do many humans.
[/quote]
Sure, Humanity is a lesser race and should learn its place.


[quote]Corpsetorn wrote...

It is exemplified in Revelation when it was elaborated on that humanity had only finally stopped warring with itself upon the discovery of alien species. Humanity's role in the galaxy mirrors humanity's real world attitude even among other members of it's species. We always think we are right, and if the other guy disagrees, then to war with him we go. Humanity is a bully, if something in someone else's neck of the woods bothers them, they kick down doors and say "the h*ll is going on around here?"
[/quote]
And what is exactly wrong with that, as long as Humanity brings progress to the stagnating Galaxy? Nobody wants to take charge, so we will.


[quote]Corpsetorn wrote...

But it comes back to how you feel about the position in the galaxy your species is in and can tie in very well with your real world philosophies. If you are a cultural relativist (like myself) you don't judge other cultures by your own culture's standards.[/quote]
Yes, you do. You do judge the Human culture ("bully") as "bad", from your fascinated-with-alien-cultures PoV.

But if you really don't, you should immediatley fall for the Batarian BS about how slavery is an inextricable part of their culture, and therefore should be legal even in the Citadel space, as long as the slave-owners belong to the Batarian race.


[quote]Corpsetorn wrote...

In this case, you would support human cooperation with other species and seek to make strong alliances among them. However, if you are an ethnocentrist and tend to judge all other cultures by your own cultures standards, seeing other cultural norms that don't fall in line with yours as "weird" or "wrong," then chances are you are going to support aggressive human expansion and human dominence.
[/quote]
Well, at least I don't support Batarian slavery, and am proud of that. Sort of.


[quote]Corpsetorn wrote...

Bottom line, the Illusive Man and Cerberus are far too extreme for any viewpoint. Even if you feel humanity is not getting it's due from the other species as opposed to believing humanity has yet to prove itself worthy and reliable, Cerberus is a terrorist organization that only serves to belittle humanity's plight.
[/quote]
Bottom line, even if Anderson was unhappy with the state of the Systems Alliance, he should have at least given it a courtesy of his resignation before selling it out to the Turians, not after.


[quote]Corpsetorn wrote...

They gave Shep the means, but that doesn't make them the saviors. TIM was more than happy to sit back and betray or decieve humanity's greatest asset at every turn "to get results" while simultaneously avoiding getting his hands dirty. He's a despicable zealot who has played his own hype up so much that he actually has himself convinced of his own propeganda. Sure, he seems noble NOW because he is taking on the reaper threat where politicians have covered it up, but what happens once that's over? He'll go back to being the same underhanded self-important fundamentalist who wouldn't think twice about slitting an innocent Asari's throat if it meant the release of a mass murdering Cerberus criminal.
[/quote]
And thanks to Anderson's actions, the chances of anybody going back to anything have diminished:


Shepard: I'm working with Cerberus against the Collectors and Reapers.

VS: I've been to Horizon, the Collectors attacked and Shepard with his Cerberus cronies came and saved the day.

Emily Wong: No more Human colonies have gone missing in the recent months.

Kahlee: Cerberus kidnapped a friend of mine... who actually used to be one of their own...

Anderson: Screw you Cerebrus, screw you Alliance!!!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 28 février 2011 - 08:45 .

[Corpsetorn]

Since this is way off topic, I'm not going to respond here. But if there's a more appropriate thread point me to it and I'd be more than happy to.

Though if you are going to rely mostly on strawman arguments and snarky comments I'm not interested.

Regardless I'm heading to bed for the night. It's midterms week so I have a lot to get done before spring break.

Modifié par Corpsetorn, 28 février 2011 - 08:34 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Corpsetorn wrote...

Since this is way off topic, I'm not going to respond here. But if there's a more appropriate thread point me to it and I'd be more than happy to.

Like the two already pointed out to you?

Corpsetorn wrote...

Though if you are going to rely mostly on strawman arguments and snarky comments I'm not interested.

Why not? "Anderson did the right thing, because I don't like Cerberus" sounds a strawman enough argument to me.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Undertone wrote...

I don't want any connection between ME3 and the crappy books/comics.

Well, they're considered canon, so yeah...

[Corpsetorn]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Corpsetorn wrote...

Since
this is way off topic, I'm not going to respond here. But if there's a
more appropriate thread point me to it and I'd be more than happy to.

Like the two already pointed out to you?

Corpsetorn wrote...

Though if you are going to rely mostly on strawman arguments and snarky comments I'm not interested.

Why not? "Anderson did the right thing, because I don't like Cerberus" sounds a strawman enough argument to me.

You are being overly hostile, so a discussion with you I have no intention to undertake.

Goodnight.

Modifié par Corpsetorn, 28 février 2011 - 08:37 .