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#4851
Morroian

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JSLfromBx wrote...

So is it me or are warrior/rogue Hawke with a good morale aligment completly screwed for end game?
your sister leave the group in the deeproads, Merill never have access to the creation tree and anders is a genocidal maniac slaughters innocents.
It looks like unless you're very evil hawke you'll be left with no heal in your party, on normal you can make do with potion, but on nightmare :/ ouch


Actually if you're good you'll be more likely to be on then rivalry path with Anders which might change things. It looks to me like the best outcome for both Anders and Merrill is to be on the rivalry path for both.

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JSLfromBx wrote...

So is it me or are warrior/rogue Hawke with a good morale aligment completly screwed for end game?
your sister leave the group in the deeproads, Merill never have access to the creation tree and anders is a genocidal maniac slaughters innocents.
It looks like unless you're very evil hawke you'll be left with no heal in your party, on normal you can make do with potion, but on nightmare :/ ouch

Being forced to play with anders for most of the game is already was already quite a disapointment, they really blew it with companion choice this time around.It does seem like mage hawke is the way the devlopper imagined the game :/ sad

PS: hopefully I am wrong and there is some hidden way to pkeep your sibling in the party


there is no good morality onlly opinions.

#4853
Zanallen

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OMG! Who left the door open? All of the spoilers are leaking out!

#4854
LilyasAvalon

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Quick shut the door! D=

#4855
UndercoverDoctor

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Doh!

#4856
UndercoverDoctor

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What a jerk.

#4857
LilyasAvalon

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Urgh, troll. What a loser.

#4858
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The more I watch the video of the Dalish and Flemeth, the more I begin to feel like she isn't actually 'evil'. If anything, she's like a cynical stand in for the maker.

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Good afternoon.
I have a question. I am still very, very, VERY, confused with the importing system. In the demo thanks to the mod I could import my characters. But do I import the Witch Hunt ending (I spammed F5 like crazy after the dialogue with Morrigan, so I have a safe after she depart and I pick up that book(s)... or do I have to import save after save. Origins - Awakening - Witch Hunt? (didnt do Golems, I found it very frustrating)

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As far as I can tell, imports go in this order: Origins --> Awakening --> Golems --> Witch Hunt

You import your last save from Witch Hunt if you went in that order.

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I was curious whether or not it was ever mentioned if Leliana shows up more than once (you know, outside of the Cassandra screenshot we saw) in the story? Mainly asking because, if I read the comment right (about the ending being her as a Seeker) elsewhere in this thread, everything seems to be indicative of her having a larger role in DA3.

Edit: Nevermind, I just read the update tankgirly so nicely compiled for us. I think my question about Leliana's been answered, somewhat.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 06 mars 2011 - 11:53 .


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Lolrain wrote...

Good afternoon.
I have a question. I am still very, very, VERY, confused with the importing system. In the demo thanks to the mod I could import my characters. But do I import the Witch Hunt ending (I spammed F5 like crazy after the dialogue with Morrigan, so I have a safe after she depart and I pick up that book(s)... or do I have to import save after save. Origins - Awakening - Witch Hunt? (didnt do Golems, I found it very frustrating)


You can only import one save per game. If you imported your Origins save to your Awakening save, and then your Awakening save to your Witch Hunt save, all the choices you made throughout will update to DA2. If you import only your Origins save, then only those choices will update to DA2. Make sense?

#4863
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Is it true that Lady Hawke can marry Fenris, Anders or Sebastian? If that's true, can Male Hawke marry Merrill or Isabela?

#4864
LilyasAvalon

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Where the hell are the mods and admins? I thought the stupid troll would've been taken care of by now.

#4865
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namedforthemoon wrote...

Is it true that Lady Hawke can marry Fenris, Anders or Sebastian? If that's true, can Male Hawke marry Merrill or Isabela?

So far, we only have a rumour with no backed up evidence that Sebastian can be married or at least engaged to. No clue about the others so far.

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@namedforthemoon, Thanks! I finally get it :D LilyasAvalon Thank you too!

Modifié par Lolrain, 06 mars 2011 - 11:46 .


#4867
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Summary time.

First things first, we have this lovely warning from the dev today:

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

A reminder for the late shift, spoilers stay in this thread which is tolerated only because it is clearly marked. No drift to other threads. And hey, as a personal preference, how about no giggly little "OMG, I just heard something, go to spoilerz!" posts. Seriously, don't be that guy.



And no more stream link . We got warning, too.

And for the save measure, I removed all the screenie you guys had painstakingly taken. Thank you. I will keep it in a save file and quard it day and night.

The bold ones are the updates since the last post.


Summary


1. Zevran appeared in one of the Sundermount quest. His screenie
2. Nathaniel appeared in one of the Deep Road quest.
3. Leliana appeared in one of the Basti quest. Possible Leliana
4. Fenris live in what possibly his former master's mansion (next door to Hawk's), Merill in Alienage, Anders in his clinic, Isabela and Varric, not certain about Aveline or Basti
5. There is a cap on levels, though I got very confused about the numbers.
6. Bethany has three endings: Join the Circle, Died in the Deep Road, or Join the GW (?)
7. Carver has three endings: Join the Templar, Died in the DR, or Join the GW.
8. The talking darkspawn Disciple appeared in the DR.
9. There is something about Meredith's eyes.
10. Meredith is one of the final boss.
11. Defeating Meredith is one of the secret achievement.
12. Some dialogue by Hawk's mother hinted she was not aware of whatever Hawk's relationship was in.
13. Hawk was  in Kirkwall when the news of the Blight was finished by the Warden reached him/her.

14. Fenris' former Tevinter Magister Master's name is Danarius.
15. A quick look at the erf files hints that these are some of the gifts for the companions. Take this as extreme speculation:

Anders: Key + an amulet
Aveline: Shield
Fenris: Book + a sword
Isabela: Ship?! + a talisman
Merrill: Halla?! + a ring
Sebastian: Bow

How to access the file from the demo: Program Files>Dragon Age 2 Demo>modules>campaign_base>data>designerplots in wordpad/notepad and search "gift".
16. There is a new blood mage speciality (?)
17. And Aveline/Quanary Quest Link
18. Fenris apprear to hate mage and thinks everyone should be made tranquil. (Possible only rivarly romance route for the mage Hawk).
19. Anders appear to hate Templar.
20. Merrill appears to be bi.
21. Cullen appeared in one of the guest, along with some guy named Wilmod LInk
22. There is a brothel in Kirkwall (right, very important to some of us!).
23. There is a blood mage sanctuary and it doesn't seem to be Anders clinic.
24. Carver and Bethany's codex entries
25. DA II Gaming guide
(possiblly partial)

26. According to the quides. Cameos from the Origins series:


Alistair
Leliana
Zevran
Nathaniel
Bodhan and Sandal
Cullen
Justice?
Sketch
Bonny Lem
Sophia Dryden

27.Infos floating around 4chan suggested Flemeth might played bigger role in DA II (possibly the spirit possessed Meredith).
28. Basti is an LI.
29. It is very strongly suggested Anders could be bi (from his flirt with H!Hawk and the traguil mage KArl he was trying to rescue).
30. The ritual mentionted in Merrill's backstory involves her chanting in Dalish and Flemeth pops out of the amulet (Lord Vordy in HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!). IT seems she put a little piece of her soul in it because she figured that Morrigan would come back with the Warden to kill her. She gives some cryptic advice and says that she's thankful, but she pities Hawke because of the road ahead. She then turns into a dragon and flies off.
31. Sandle was in game.
32. Zathrian was mentioned in game.
33. There is minore flirting line on Carver to Merrill!!!OMG!!!!
34. Merrill: "Why do they called it Brothel? Does that have something do to with broth?"
35. Cullen is now the Knight Captain (wow).
36. Fenris is also strongly suggested he is bi. We now have all 4 bi.
37. There are several Qunari related quest in Kirkwall (to my delight).
38. Fenris's preslave name is Leto.
39. Fenris had a sister, who was sided with Danarius, his former magister master.
40. One of the quest to separate Anders and Justice.

41. When going to the Deep Road, if you take Bethany/Carver with you, Bethany/Carver will contract the taint and you will have the choice to slay them or leave them in the DR. This is possibly when your Awakening import save file click in. Nathaniel will save Bethany/Carver by making them a Grey Warden.
42. If you leave them in their estate, Bethany will be dragged away and join the Circle and Carver will join the Templar willingly.
43. Mama Hawk could be died,too.

44. Zevran will flirt with you and tried to sleep with you, then your LI will step in.
45. The Warden will be mentioned by Zevran.
46. Hawk can sleep with Zevran.
47. The "relic" was a holy Qunari book written by the founder of the Qun religion.
48. The Arishok will not be allowed to leave Kirkwall until he finds that book.
49. Issie knew a along what the relic was.
50. During the Fade quest, a demon would offer Merrill a scion of the Dalish. Delined to let Merrill to do it will result in rivalry level inclease.
51. Merill has an Eluvian in her bedroom and her quests are trying to get it back in working order.

52. There will be LI confrontation.
53. Aveline will remarried and honeymooned in Orlais.
54. If you made Bhelen king in DA:O Harrowmont's relative is in Kirkwall.
55. There's a man being confronted by a group of dalish, and he said he used to be a werewolf, but the hero of Ferelden helped him turn back. And he said he was sorry for killing the elves when he was a werwolf, but the dalish still want to kill him. You can step in and help him, and the elves get angry and attack.
56. The subquests hinting the main plot: Mages V.S. Templars.
57. At one stage you will receive the letter from King Alistair, which triggered the cameo (assumed you let Alistair as king in Origin) of Ali and Teagan.
58. Cullen was also suspecious of Meredith.
59. Merrill was being used by the demon to complete the mirror so they can channel to the real world (Doctor Who!!!!!!!!!)
60. Merrill's Keeper was the demon (no wonder she looks different) and her clan will turn against you once you kill her.
61. There's an Orlesian woman who goes missing from her husband and the family suspects the husband. Do this quest, you learn more women have gone missing, KEEP DOING THIS QUEST! It might save Leandra's life!
62. One of the Anders ending (surely it depends on the Rilvary/Friendly scale) was He didn't want help separating Justice from him. He was concocting something to destroy The Chantry. He blew up the ENTIRE freaking Chantry in Kirkwall with some massive spell.Then Meredith ordered The Right of Annulment to execute every Mage in Kirkwall.
63. There are 13 different endinds.
64. Letter from Alistair quest is in Act 3.
65. Track down Zevran quest was given on the quest giver.
66. Morrigan is mentioned by Flemeth but no cameo.
67. It was Leliana who retrieved the book Cassandra tossed at Varric at the beginning of the game. It was indicated that she joined the Seekers in order to search for the Warden (KOTOR!).
68. It was the Grey Warden made Anders get rid of Ser Pounce-A-Lot.
69. New Zevran screenie
70. Anders will turned into Justice in the Fade. So do not take Merrill or him in the Fade quest.
71. There are a few ways to keep Anders without killing him, though you might lose Sebastian in the process.
72. A bartender in Kirkwall mentioned pigeon population in Ferelden was decreasing.
73. There is a rumor around you can married Basti if you are a female.





Let me know if I miss something.

#4868
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Good News: His threads are getting locked.

#4869
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LilyasAvalon wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Is it true that Lady Hawke can marry Fenris, Anders or Sebastian? If that's true, can Male Hawke marry Merrill or Isabela?

So far, we only have a rumour with no backed up evidence that Sebastian can be married or at least engaged to. No clue about the others so far.


I don't know how someone could start the rumor about Sebastian, though. I mean, if someone is playing a leaked game or whatever, they shouldn't have access to the DLC, right?  I thought all downloadable content was locked until the 8th?

#4870
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tankgirly wrote...


Let me know if I miss something.



Add that Basti is the only heterosexual LI.

Modifié par Eorion_Moonwing, 06 mars 2011 - 11:52 .


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UndercoverDoctor wrote...

Good News: His threads are getting locked.

Not fast enough and his all his aliases haven't been banned yet. Plus they've locked the thread complaining about him but haven't locked all his threads yet.

Modifié par Morroian, 06 mars 2011 - 11:51 .


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Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

Add that Basti is the only heterosexual LI.


How do you know that?

#4873
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What happens if Anders turns into Justice in the fade? And what happens to Merrill?!

Modifié par ankuu, 06 mars 2011 - 11:53 .


#4874
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namedforthemoon wrote...

Eorion_Moonwing wrote...

Add that Basti is the only heterosexual LI.


How do you know that?

Here is a post from some one who have a guid :
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6266554/194#6371937

#4875
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@Eorion_Moonwing, it figures. Raised by the Chantry and all. I sense a mod coming up! XD

Off to bed. See you all tomorrow.

Modifié par tankgirly, 06 mars 2011 - 11:58 .