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[Rinji the Bearded]

All of them will have their reasons for staying... except Seb, it looks like. It doesn't mention anyone gaining rivalry (besides the obvious Seb) if you choose to keep Anders?

[LilyasAvalon]

hhh89 wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Rovay wrote...

So... Is there ANY way of keeping all your companions by the end game?

As we know of, no, not yet. So far, it sounds like you will lose at LEAST 4 of your companions, regardless.

This blows my plans for Team Harem out of the water now.

Four? Klace lost Isabela, Bethany and Anders. He had Varric, Merrill, Fenris and Aveline

Yeah, not four, one, sorry messed up numbers. I've been up since 4am since I wanted to watch that live stream Mike did so a little dozy. >.<

[LilyasAvalon]

RinjiRenee wrote...

All of them will have their reasons for staying... except Seb, it looks like. It doesn't mention anyone gaining rivalry (besides the obvious Seb) if you choose to keep Anders?

Fenris will quite obviously gain rivalry, keep in mind how he feels about mages. He may even try to leave too, but unlike Seb, can probably be talked out of it.

[LilyasAvalon]

ankuu wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I can understand why Varric stays with you, regardless, but why Aveline?

She has been with you from day 1, and she wouldn't have survived (or get into Kirkwall) if it weren't for Hawke.

Oh! So she's indebted to you, no matter what.

[Zanallen]

My pleasure, folks.

Hm, it looks like you have to fight both. Well, the way the guide is worded suggests that you do, though it isn't terribly clear. It does mention that you fight Orsino no matter who you choose to side with. Also, it looks like you can have up to 8 active companions when fighting the last boss. Including NPCs if you do their quests.

[Rinji the Bearded]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

All of them will have their reasons for staying... except Seb, it looks like. It doesn't mention anyone gaining rivalry (besides the obvious Seb) if you choose to keep Anders?

Fenris will quite obviously gain rivalry, keep in mind how he feels about mages. He may even try to leave too, but unlike Seb, can probably be talked out of it.

And Aveline, Varric, Merrill, Izzy, and I guess your sibling too?  I wonder what Carver would think... I think he only ever wanted to be a Templar to ****** your Mage!Hawke off, lol.

Fenris's reasons for hating Mages are personal, not Chantry related, too.

[Rovay]

Zanallen wrote...

My pleasure, folks.

Hm, it looks like you have to fight both. Well, the way the guide is worded suggests that you do, though it isn't terribly clear. It does mention that you fight Orsino no matter who you choose to side with. Also, it looks like you can have up to 8 active companions when fighting the last boss. Including NPCs if you do their quests.

[Zanallen]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

All of them will have their reasons for staying... except Seb, it looks like. It doesn't mention anyone gaining rivalry (besides the obvious Seb) if you choose to keep Anders?

Fenris will quite obviously gain rivalry, keep in mind how he feels about mages. He may even try to leave too, but unlike Seb, can probably be talked out of it.

If you side with the mages, Fenris will leave unless you have 100% friendship/rivalry. It looks like you get a second chance to rerecruit him if "you have a solid friendship".

[LilyasAvalon]

RinjiRenee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

All of them will have their reasons for staying... except Seb, it looks like. It doesn't mention anyone gaining rivalry (besides the obvious Seb) if you choose to keep Anders?

Fenris will quite obviously gain rivalry, keep in mind how he feels about mages. He may even try to leave too, but unlike Seb, can probably be talked out of it.

And Aveline, Varric, Merrill, Izzy, and I guess your sibling too?  I wonder what Carver would think... I think he only ever wanted to be a Templar to ****** your Mage!Hawke off, lol.

Fenris's reasons for hating Mages are personal, not Chantry related, too.

I think that too, especially reading his codex. I guess Anders ends up being THAT guy, huh?

And it's already been stated Fenris thinks all mages should be made tranquil. Wouldn't Anders actions only justify that further?

[Malja]

Rovay wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

My pleasure, folks.

Hm, it looks like you have to fight both. Well, the way the guide is worded suggests that you do, though it isn't terribly clear. It does mention that you fight Orsino no matter who you choose to side with. Also, it looks like you can have up to 8 active companions when fighting the last boss. Including NPCs if you do their quests.

 indeed! It's like how I pictured the Archdemon fight, which only partially (and quite miserably) met my expectations! Ooooh too excited now.

[LilyasAvalon]

Rovay wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

My pleasure, folks.

Hm, it looks like you have to fight both. Well, the way the guide is worded suggests that you do, though it isn't terribly clear. It does mention that you fight Orsino no matter who you choose to side with. Also, it looks like you can have up to 8 active companions when fighting the last boss. Including NPCs if you do their quests.

WOOHOO! THERE'S ONLY 8 CONFIRMED COMPANIONS SO FAR! 

...or did I miscount... ack....

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 06 mars 2011 - 01:09 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Zanallen wrote...

My pleasure, folks.

Hm, it looks like you have to fight both. Well, the way the guide is worded suggests that you do, though it isn't terribly clear. It does mention that you fight Orsino no matter who you choose to side with. Also, it looks like you can have up to 8 active companions when fighting the last boss. Including NPCs if you do their quests.

Hehe, that makes me feel a little better.  I want my Mage!Hawke to agree with Anders in the end, but then have the crushing realization that Orsino was a corrupt man and maybealmost killed Mama Hawke.

I also hope Anders does some explaining when I walk to up to him and go "What the crap man?!"

Anders> I didn't want you to get hurt.
Hawke>  Oh how sweet. <3

[Chignon]

RinjiRenee wrote...

And Aveline, Varric, Merrill, Izzy, and I guess your sibling too?  I wonder what Carver would think... I think he only ever wanted to be a Templar to ****** your Mage!Hawke off, lol.

Fenris's reasons for hating Mages are personal, not Chantry related, too.

I disagree.

He wants to find his own way and consequently he joins the Templars. He doesn't have any sort of magical ability so obviously he can't join the Circle nor is he able to simply become a Grey Warden. At least not if he isn't taken to the Deep Roads along wtih Anders.

How else is he supposed to prove himself? Not everything revolves around Hawke.

[Rinji the Bearded]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

All of them will have their reasons for staying... except Seb, it looks like. It doesn't mention anyone gaining rivalry (besides the obvious Seb) if you choose to keep Anders?

Fenris will quite obviously gain rivalry, keep in mind how he feels about mages. He may even try to leave too, but unlike Seb, can probably be talked out of it.

And Aveline, Varric, Merrill, Izzy, and I guess your sibling too?  I wonder what Carver would think... I think he only ever wanted to be a Templar to ****** your Mage!Hawke off, lol.

Fenris's reasons for hating Mages are personal, not Chantry related, too.

I think that too, especially reading his codex. I guess Anders ends up being THAT guy, huh?

And it's already been stated Fenris thinks all mages should be made tranquil. Wouldn't Anders actions only justify that further?

If he comes to some sort of agreement with you that what Anders did was for the Chantry's own corruption (and there IS corruption in the Chantry, good and evil on both sides really), he might be persuaded otherwise?  Chantry is guilty of making Templars their slaves, as well.

[Zanallen]

Basically, you have Hawke and his 3 party members. The dog counts so you might want to remove him if you want someone else to appear. Then your other companions can show up, there is an order listed, and then there are three NPCs that can join in if you did their quest.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Chignon wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

And Aveline, Varric, Merrill, Izzy, and I guess your sibling too?  I wonder what Carver would think... I think he only ever wanted to be a Templar to ****** your Mage!Hawke off, lol.

Fenris's reasons for hating Mages are personal, not Chantry related, too.

I disagree.

He wants to find his own way and consequently he joins the Templars. He doesn't have any sort of magical ability so obviously he can't join the Circle nor is he able to simply become a Grey Warden. At least not if he isn't taken to the Deep Roads along wtih Anders.

How else is he supposed to prove himself? Not everything revolves around Hawke.

Haha, I guess I didn't mean it in that tone.  He does want to prove himself, yes.  I was just being a little snarky.  

[Rinji the Bearded]

Zanallen wrote...

Basically, you have Hawke and his 3 party members. The dog counts so you might want to remove him if you want someone else to appear. Then your other companions can show up, there is an order listed, and then there are three NPCs that can join in if you did their quest.

Mind telling us who those NPCs are?

[Malja]

Zanallen wrote...

Basically, you have Hawke and his 3 party members. The dog counts so you might want to remove him if you want someone else to appear. Then your other companions can show up, there is an order listed, and then there are three NPCs that can join in if you did their quest.

Andddd my  is back to my sentiments on the Archdemon fight. "I see what you wanted to do there... I'm just not quite sure if it hit the mark".

[LilyasAvalon]

@RinjiRenee: Touche.

[Chignon]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Haha, I guess I didn't mean it in that tone.  He does want to prove himself, yes.  I was just being a little snarky.  

I see. I guess I am just tired of hearing the exact same thing said again and again.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Chignon wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Haha, I guess I didn't mean it in that tone.  He does want to prove himself, yes.  I was just being a little snarky.  

I see. I guess I am just tired of hearing the exact same thing said again and again.

Sorry about that.  I actually really look forward to Carver.  I'll probably come to love him a lot.  He actually reminds me a lot of my younger sister.  He might be downright pissed about the Chantry, but can be persuaded to think otherwise.

After hearing all this, I have to congratulate Bioware for making such a tricky situation for us to deal with.  They make it so easy to dislike either side of this argument.  Do we condemn Anders for what he has done, or do we condone it?  There are what we would consider "good people" on either side. For some, what the Chantry condones when it comes to the Mages is downright despicable, and it's really easy to see that.  But it's also easy to see how Mages can get out of control, and who protects them?

And if you are torn in the middle... sometimes, someone makes that decision for you.  Anders might have Out-Hawked Hawke, so to speak.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 06 mars 2011 - 01:25 .

[Zanallen]

As the last boss loses health, you can be joined by your sibs, Varric, Anders, Aveline, Fenris, Isabela and Sebastian. They supposedly show up in that order, baring you already having them in your party, being dead or having left you. The NPCs are, in order, Donnic (Have to have Aveline in your main party), Zevran and Nathaniel.

[kuurankuiskaus]

This thread makes me so happy
Keep 'em spoilers coming!
Zev and Nate for final fight, wooot!

[LilyasAvalon]

ZEVRAN JOINS US! YAY!