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[Khranashil]

My eyes they burn!!!!!


With knowledge ;D

[Rinji the Bearded]

Haha, it's kinda funny... Sitting back and thinking about what we've been spoiled with. In the last game, we could all unite under one problem -- the Darkspawn. It's like what Alistair said about Blight being able to bring people together.

It's funny how right he was.

Whatever decision we make won't be pretty. Cassandra basically tells us at the beginning that everything about the Chantry as we knew it is falling apart at the seams. Was it Anders' actions, or even the revelation of Meredith's actions? Where do we begin condoning and condemning? Putting these actions out of our control really add a lot of depth to the game. Heartbreak is bound to happen... it's unavoidable, but in order for things to change... decisions must be made.  People's feelings must be hurt.

Right and wrong can't be taken into account anymore.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 06 mars 2011 - 02:23 .

[LilyasAvalon]

Malja wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

3-4 more days until release... are we all spoilered out?

Only thing that could spoil us any more is the full game in detail at this point hahah.

Knowlegde is power.

[GameBoyish]

I should be studying A-levels Chemistry for a test tomorrow and I'm stuck here...

[Cros1404]

I like the approach Bioware has taken.
I hated how in Origins you had to choose between killing connor, killing Isolde or killing NONE... Why should i choose killing connor or Isolde, if it has no gain, except if you are just evil?
Alll important coices should have their loses and their gains. Ther should be NO middle way.

[Rinji the Bearded]

@Cros1401 -- Exactly. Thedas has needed change for a long time now, and how can that be achieved if someone picks the middle path?

[KenKenpachi]

Saddly not all change is for the best. A leasson hard won, and easily fogotten. For all we know maybe the change will be the Darkspawn moving to the surface and running humans underground, or the maker coming down to smite us all...hmm that sounds pretty cool actully, hell might be genocide but RAGNOROK MOTHER ****ERS!

[OrbitalWings]

Very true what's been said. Realistically you'd always choose the option that caused the least problems and suffering. The only time I ever take other options is when I'm intentionally playing my character as evil. What's the point in offering the choice to have someone die if it's just as easy to have everyone live.

However, take away the middle option and you have yourself a real moral dilemma - exactly the sort of thing that makes these games great.

[mho]

Cros1404 wrote...

I like the approach Bioware has taken.
I hated how in Origins you had to choose between killing connor, killing Isolde or killing NONE... Why should i choose killing connor or Isolde, if it has no gain, except if you are just evil?
Alll important coices should have their loses and their gains. Ther should be NO middle way.

Important choices did have consequences. One could just not tell right away what they would be in the long term.

First time through, I did the mage tower before becoming aware of Connor's plight. I sided with the templars because I told their commander that I was not sure that I had caught all of the blood mages. Help from the mage tower was therefore not available when I had to deal with Connor and Isolde. As a consequence, I had to decide between killing Connor or killing Isolde. That did not make my Warden evil.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Sometimes decisions are made for us, too. And I have to applaud Jennifer Helper's handling of that. Anders's cause is noble. The pain he and other mages have gone through is horrible, and the Chantry has twisted the words of the Maker in order to reign them in. The Mages in Kirkwall are thrown into former slave chambers -- how could one NOT feel for them at that point? Not to mention that the Chantry makes its own decisions, often against the rulers of countries (Alistair's mage boon, anyone?).  There are also others who would use the Chantry to gain political ground (take Seb for example, who was more or less thrown into the Chantry because of a political move).

One must also ponder Andraste and her origins as well.  One of the gifts you can give to Wynne suggest a lot about her, and how she wasn't the true prophet... and it looks liked it had escaped a fire.   It's really hard to say who to believe anymore when all of our information is fed to us by a singular source.

I could also say that religion has been at the core of all world wars, but that's getting into some philosophical/religious argument that probably isn't appropriate here.

But does the ends justify the means?  What is Justice? That's up for us to decide.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 06 mars 2011 - 03:03 .

[LilyasAvalon]

It's gonna be horrible for me if I go though an Anders romance and decide to kill him because of what he did. T_T

[Rinji the Bearded]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

It's gonna be horrible for me if I go though an Anders romance and decide to kill him because of what he did. T_T

Haha... And there's no telling if Anders is going to feel remorse at this point, too.  Who knows, even if you let him live, he has the burden of lives on his shoulders now.

[Chignon]

RinjiRenee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

It's gonna be horrible for me if I go though an Anders romance and decide to kill him because of what he did. T_T

Haha... And there's no telling if Anders is going to feel remorse at this point, too.  Who knows, even if you let him live, he has the burden of lives on his shoulders now.

His last words did not indicate any kind of remorse for killing all the people in his attack on the Chantry nor for the way he betrayed Hawke.

[LilyasAvalon]

RinjiRenee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

It's gonna be horrible for me if I go though an Anders romance and decide to kill him because of what he did. T_T

Haha... And there's no telling if Anders is going to feel remorse at this point, too.  Who knows, even if you let him live, he has the burden of lives on his shoulders now.

FANFICTION MATERIAL!

[Rinji the Bearded]

Chignon wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

It's gonna be horrible for me if I go though an Anders romance and decide to kill him because of what he did. T_T

Haha... And there's no telling if Anders is going to feel remorse at this point, too.  Who knows, even if you let him live, he has the burden of lives on his shoulders now.

His last words did not indicate any kind of remorse for killing all the people in his attack on the Chantry nor for the way he betrayed Hawke.

Betrayal is subjective in this game.   Yes, in essence he has lied... but not all lies are not made to purposefully hurt others (well, Hawke in this case).  Maybe he didn't want Hawke to get thrown in the middle of his plans.  Perhaps he didn't want Hawke to take any of the blame.  We may have to wait to play the game ourselves to get a full explanation out of him.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 06 mars 2011 - 03:08 .

[Nerevar-as]

There´s an achievement for exorcising a party member. Anders or Merril?

[The Elder King]

Nerevar-as wrote...

There´s an achievement for exorcising a party member. Anders or Merril?

Are you sure? I though it wasn't a companion. Anyway if it's one companion, it's Anders

[Rinji the Bearded]

Nerevar-as wrote...

There´s an achievement for exorcising a party member. Anders or Merril?

I'm actually thinking that it's none of the above.

[LilyasAvalon]

Nerevar-as wrote...

There´s an achievement for exorcising a party member. Anders or Merril?

Merril isn't possessed, is she? ._.

I thought she was just influenced by a demon. Sebastian is also possessed though.

...Huh, the irony, the two we have to choose ebtween are also both possessed by some sort of demon.

[thesuperdarkone]

Nerevar-as wrote...

There´s an achievement for exorcising a party member. Anders or Merril?

 

Oh yes, what do we have to exorcise?

And this reminds me of a thread a long time ago which stated that someone got files from the demo which had files for "sibing has taint" and "demon Marenthari" Now that I know the spoilers, this makes sense.

[Chignon]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Betrayal is subjective in this game.   Yes, in essence he has lied... but not all lies are not made to purposefully hurt others (well, Hawke in this case).  Maybe he didn't want Hawke to get thrown in the middle of his plans.  Perhaps he didn't want Hawke to take any of the blame.  We may have to wait to play the game ourselves to get a full explanation out of him.

Klace was pretty clear about why he lied. He wanted Hawke's help and feared he would not get it if he told the truth.

[The Elder King]

I'm going to forgive Anders in the playthrough when Bethany becomes a GW. So I'll make my Hawke to have a debt for Anders, and wants to repay it by forgiving him.

[LilyasAvalon]

I wonder if Ander's reaction changes at all if you romanced him... and for that matter, if Sebastian only leaves if he's in the party with you.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Chignon wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Betrayal is subjective in this game.   Yes, in essence he has lied... but not all lies are not made to purposefully hurt others (well, Hawke in this case).  Maybe he didn't want Hawke to get thrown in the middle of his plans.  Perhaps he didn't want Hawke to take any of the blame.  We may have to wait to play the game ourselves to get a full explanation out of him.

Klace was pretty clear about why he lied. He wanted Hawke's help and feared he would not get it if he told the truth.

Seems pretty reasonable to me.  *shrug*  As crazy as that sounds.  Maybe I'm still embittered by the Chantry from the first game, and all my reasoning is biased!  

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 06 mars 2011 - 03:16 .

[The Elder King]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I wonder if Ander's reaction changes at all if you romanced him... and for that matter, if Sebastian only leaves if he's in the party with you.

We don't know what level of friendship Klace has with Anders. Maybe something can change if he's at 100% friendly or in the rivarly path. I'll se when I play.