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[The Elder King]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

FASherman wrote...

You guys getting all upset about the lies and betrayal. Here'r a good explaination of another way to look at it: http://www.dragonage...-yet.62/#post-149

It's not completely true. Rivarly chan change things in an extent. I think, for example, that if we choose the rivarly path in full Isabela will agree on handing the relic to the Qunari. Otherwise, if the rivarly doesn't change anything, it's pretty lame.

It's got a mild point though. Ultimately 'Trust no one.'.

I would like to deny this, but what we've speculated so far about companions that can leave you, it isn't overly surprising.

Of course. But for the qunari thing, we know that we can choose if to fight the qunari or not (there's an achievment to earn the Arishock's respect, and I think that we can reach it with the relic). And I don't see how we can give the qunari the relic if Isabela escapes with it.
Again I want to wait before judging companion until I have the a full vision of every options and outcomes.

[LilyasAvalon]

Ryzaki~ *CLINGS*

In all seriousness, Ryzaki raises a good point.

[TripLight]

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL.

The Chantry is bull. don't blame them? They control the templars, the created the circle. They are at fault.
If they were so concerned about Mages well being regulations would've been put in place long ago, they wouldn't string their templars out on lyrium. 

Convinient, aint it? The the chantry is still blameless, and I can't romance Anders cause he's bad, even though I haven't seen the whole questline myself. I love it when people try to dissuade others from doing something in a rp.

Modifié par TripLight, 06 mars 2011 - 04:20 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL.

The Chantry is bull. don't blame them? They control the templars, the created the circle. They are at fault.
If they were so concerned about Mages well being regulations would've been put in place long ago, they wouldn't string their templars out on lyrium. 

Or condone the use of blood magic practices to hunt down mages.

[LilyasAvalon]

Someone is gonna get hurt on either side, no matter what we choose.

[Ryzaki]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Ryzaki~ *CLINGS*

In all seriousness, Ryzaki raises a good point.

Yay *is clung too*

But like every organization there's good guys and doucebags. 

RinjiRenee wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL.

The Chantry is bull. don't blame them? They control the templars, the created the circle. They are at fault.
If they were so concerned about Mages well being regulations would've been put in place long ago, they wouldn't string their templars out on lyrium. 

Or condone the use of blood magic practices to hunt down mages.

I love double standards.   

TripLight wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

LOL.

The Chantry is bull. don't blame them? They control the templars, the created the circle. They are at fault.
If they were so concerned about Mages well being regulations would've been put in place long ago, they wouldn't string their templars out on lyrium. 

Convinient, aint it?:?The the chantry is still blameless, and I can't romance Anders cause he's bad, even though I haven't seen the whole questline myself. I love it when people try to dissuade others from doing something in a rp.

 

Edit: NVM. my bad. THe Chantry isn't anymore blameless than anyone else. I'm not saying you shouldn't support them (or anyone) but saying that they'e blameless and not at fault to me is just...

Modifié par Ryzaki, 06 mars 2011 - 04:22 .

[The Elder King]

About the whole Chantry/templars/mages plot, I want to say that the mages of the Kirkwall Circle isn't responsible for Anders's actions, though Orsino seems a evil person like Meredith. And I think I can side with the mages and kill Anders if I want.

[TripLight]

@Ryzaki, LOL No, it was me, I was agreeing with you albeit with the wrong word choice. *runs for the coffee*

[Chignon]

arsonic wrote...

It doesn't to you, that's my point. To other people, it might. Your character obviously wouldn't agree or condone it, I can see one of mine doing so for the reasons mentioned.

I wasn't trying to talk anyone out of their opinion, I was relaying my own. At least we can agree on that if not on anything else.

[Ryzaki]

TripLight wrote...

@Ryzaki, LOL No, it was me, I was agreeing with you albeit with the wrong word choice. *runs for the coffee*

Ah. It is early.

Don't worry about it. I do it myself alot. 

Though I like how they gave each organization serious flaws. There's no true "right" choice and that's what's gonna make this so fun. (And hearbreaking). 

[debbiepuff]

Thanks for sharing all the info everyone! I still can't believe Anders had to give up Ser Pounce-A-Lot My Grey Warden would never do that to him :/

[TripLight]

Ryzaki wrote...

TripLight wrote...

@Ryzaki, LOL No, it was me, I was agreeing with you albeit with the wrong word choice. *runs for the coffee*

Ah. It is early.

Don't worry about it. I do it myself alot. 

Though I like how they gave each organization serious flaws. There's no true "right" choice and that's what's gonna make this so fun. (And hearbreaking). 

I'll have a box of tissues and comfort chocolate ready for it.

[Chignon]

Ryzaki wrote...

Though I like how they gave each organization serious flaws. There's no true "right" choice and that's what's gonna make this so fun. (And hearbreaking). 

And so far this thread has proven to be invaluable to avoid at least some of that heartbreak in my first playthrough.

[LilyasAvalon]

Gonna need a few tubs of ice cream for this heartbreak.

[Batfeets]

 Just wanted to mention,  in case anything I posted was offensive....I don't want to dissuade anyone from anything.  Just putting my opinion out there for innocent discussion, that's all.  It's an interesting situation and I like to see other's reasonings.  *Shrugs.*  Sorry, in advance, if that was the case.

For now,  I'll set my cap at Fenris or Sebastian and happily skip my opinionated self to play Pokemon White instead.

[The Elder King]

Chignon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Though I like how they gave each organization serious flaws. There's no true "right" choice and that's what's gonna make this so fun. (And hearbreaking). 

And so far this thread has proven to be invaluable to avoid at least some of that heartbreak in my first playthrough.

I agree. And hopefull by the 11th I'll have more info to build my first playthough. Generally I don't do this, but this game is more complicated than the last I've played and in this period I don't have a lot of time, so I want to do my playthoughs  fully conscious of the outcomes.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Batfeets wrote...

 Just wanted to mention,  in case anything I posted was offensive....I don't want to dissuade anyone from anything.  Just putting my opinion out there for innocent discussion, that's all.  It's an interesting situation and I like to see other's reasonings.  *Shrugs.*  Sorry, in advance, if that was the case.

For now,  I'll set my cap at Fenris or Sebastian and happily skip my opinionated self to play Pokemon White instead.

You would capture innocent creatures, confine them into small balls, only to release them so that they fight their own bretheren until they fall unconscious or you otherwise abandon them?!

YOU MONSTER.  *raises a rebellion*

[dreamextractor]

Well, we've heard that we can have all 8 companions by the end of the game & Nathaniel and Zevran and Aveline's new husband, so yay? Clearly there are ways to prevent them from backstabbing you. And regarding the Anders thing - HIS character might be the one where rivalry can come in handy. It seems to me like by being Anders' friend, you agree with his thoughts about Vengeance. A rival might persuade him to change his mind.

[arsonic]

Chignon wrote...

arsonic wrote...

It doesn't to you, that's my point. To other people, it might. Your character obviously wouldn't agree or condone it, I can see one of mine doing so for the reasons mentioned.

I wasn't trying to talk anyone out of their opinion, I was relaying my own. At least we can agree on that if not on anything else.

Yeah, like I said, I'm not trying to make anyone mad.  I think it's a credit to the game writing that it can cause such debate. And @hhh89, I can absolutely see a mage killing Anders for what he did, I'm pretty sure it'll be an option.

I'm also sort of curious about the Friendship/Rivalry thing with Anders mattering again, because from what I'm getting, the guide pretty much implied that he's going to do this no matter what, yes? I just can't see a Rivalry Hawke doing anything other than killing him. It might have been cool to be able to convince Anders he was wrong that way and then have Orsino blow up the Chantry (since we fight the guy anyway). But since we're told we definitely have to make a choice...yeah. Probably not happening.

[LilyasAvalon]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Batfeets wrote...

 Just wanted to mention,  in case anything I posted was offensive....I don't want to dissuade anyone from anything.  Just putting my opinion out there for innocent discussion, that's all.  It's an interesting situation and I like to see other's reasonings.  *Shrugs.*  Sorry, in advance, if that was the case.

For now,  I'll set my cap at Fenris or Sebastian and happily skip my opinionated self to play Pokemon White instead.

You would capture innocent creatures, confine them into small balls, only to release them so that they fight their own bretheren until they fall unconscious or you otherwise abandon them?!

YOU MONSTER.  *raises a rebellion*

Renee, I'm sending you the bill for my new ass since you made me laugh my old one off.

In any case, I'm off to bed.

[The Elder King]

dreamextractor wrote...

Well, we've heard that we can have all 8 companions by the end of the game & Nathaniel and Zevran and Aveline's new husband, so yay? Clearly there are ways to prevent them from backstabbing you. And regarding the Anders thing - HIS character might be the one where rivalry can come in handy. It seems to me like by being Anders' friend, you agree with his thoughts about Vengeance. A rival might persuade him to change his mind.

About Anders, Jennifer Hepler's post seems to suggest that with rivarly things could be different. But the destruction of the Chantry seems unavoidable.

[arsonic]

Chignon wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Though I like how they gave each organization serious flaws. There's no true "right" choice and that's what's gonna make this so fun. (And hearbreaking). 

And so far this thread has proven to be invaluable to avoid at least some of that heartbreak in my first playthrough.

I couldn't agree with this more. I cancelled my preorder of the guide on Amazon because of this thread- it would have come a day later than picking it up at the store, and I would have regretted that later. Oh man.

[thesuperdarkone]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Batfeets wrote...

 Just wanted to mention,  in case anything I posted was offensive....I don't want to dissuade anyone from anything.  Just putting my opinion out there for innocent discussion, that's all.  It's an interesting situation and I like to see other's reasonings.  *Shrugs.*  Sorry, in advance, if that was the case.

For now,  I'll set my cap at Fenris or Sebastian and happily skip my opinionated self to play Pokemon White instead.

You would capture innocent creatures, confine them into small balls, only to release them so that they fight their own bretheren until they fall unconscious or you otherwise abandon them?!

YOU MONSTER.  *raises a rebellion*

 

[Batfeets]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Batfeets wrote...

 Just wanted to mention,  in case anything I posted was offensive....I don't want to dissuade anyone from anything.  Just putting my opinion out there for innocent discussion, that's all.  It's an interesting situation and I like to see other's reasonings.  *Shrugs.*  Sorry, in advance, if that was the case.

For now,  I'll set my cap at Fenris or Sebastian and happily skip my opinionated self to play Pokemon White instead.

You would capture innocent creatures, confine them into small balls, only to release them so that they fight their own bretheren until they fall unconscious or you otherwise abandon them?!

YOU MONSTER.  *raises a rebellion*

Oh Maker, yes.   Why do you think I support the Templars so?  XD  I'll go and name them all after prominent mages too, muahahaha.  *Swishes cape.  Lightning strike.*

That was.... All in good fun of course...please don't kill me.  <3  <- In Alistair voice, of course.-

[thesuperdarkone]

hhh89 wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

Well, we've heard that we can have all 8 companions by the end of the game & Nathaniel and Zevran and Aveline's new husband, so yay? Clearly there are ways to prevent them from backstabbing you. And regarding the Anders thing - HIS character might be the one where rivalry can come in handy. It seems to me like by being Anders' friend, you agree with his thoughts about Vengeance. A rival might persuade him to change his mind.

About Anders, Jennifer Hepler's post seems to suggest that with rivarly things could be different. But the destruction of the Chantry seems unavoidable.

 

I know. Going to friend him and see if being a friend and/or fellow mage will be able to persuade him to stop. Now I wish coercion was back