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[RoooLicious]

Chignon wrote...

Valeria Cousland wrote...

Guh. I can live with choosing between Sebastian and Anders *sob* but pleeeeeeease let there be an option to "redeem" or "rescue" Anders. Or change the circumstances of the Chantry blowing up, even if the event itself is set in stone. I don't want my Anders to become a total villain!

This does confirm that my Anders romance playthrough will be a fellow mage, though.

I actually would like to see a character that you can not redeem or rescue due to the magical power of love and friendship/rivalry paths - much like Bishop in NWN2. It doesn't necessarily need to be Anders, though.

I agree, however as dreadful as Anders' story is, I LOVE the darker side to Merrill, I hope she's the one who goes batsh*t crazy anyways, but I think the Warden having insane companions makes sense, it was a Blight, only 3 GW in Ferelden, desperation and Chaos all arround... but in Hawke's case, s/he is just livin their life and having friends along the road and helping people... that doesn't really sound like a good excuse to befriend a derranged killer xD

[dreamextractor]

I wonder if we can still keep Sebastian by leaving him out of the party in that event.

[Chignon]

Russalka wrote...

Bishop was irredeemable. I do not understand the love he gets. Sure, he is the only attractive man in the game, guyliner or not. But he is absolutely vile and would no doubt do horrible things to the player character, if given the chance. And he did.

Three words: Bishop Romance Mod. /facepalm

(If it isn't clear: I agree completely.)

[Tleining]

okay, this thread is just moving way too fast for me to keep up. Did we get additional information on how to save Hawkes Mother?

[TripLight]

RoooLicious wrote...

I agree, however as dreadful as Anders' story is, I LOVE the darker side to Merrill, I hope she's the one who goes batsh*t crazy anyways, but I think the Warden having insane companions makes sense, it was a Blight, only 3 GW in Ferelden, desperation and Chaos all arround... but in Hawke's case, s/he is just livin their life and having friends along the road and helping people... that doesn't really sound like a good excuse to befriend a derranged killer xD

It would add to the diminishing of the Elves even further, considering its the Dalish who are trying to reclaim their lost glory instead of just starting anew. Tragedy at it's finest in story telling, this too, I would like to see.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Tleining wrote...

okay, this thread is just moving way too fast for me to keep up. Did we get additional information on how to save Hawkes Mother?

It was suggested that maybe if you follow that quest RIGHT AWAY there is chance to save her.

[Xeyska]

Tleining wrote...

okay, this thread is just moving way too fast for me to keep up. Did we get additional information on how to save Hawkes Mother?

Not yet.

[thesuperdarkone]

Tleining wrote...

okay, this thread is just moving way too fast for me to keep up. Did we get additional information on how to save Hawkes Mother?

 

Apparently you have to compete a quest regarding this killer IMMEDIATELY ala doing the SM immedieately to save your crew.

[Bekkael]

ankuu wrote...

Gorskijesih wrote...

Haven't seen this here before, sorry if it's been posted.

www.youtube.com/watch

It's Qunari compound gameplay, with the Arishok and all.

Also, he does in fact say "No."

I LOVE the arishok.

That voice. *shivers* I will be doing his quests on my 1st playthrough. <3

Also, LESS THAN 36 HOURS UNTIL GAME TIME!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm just a little excited.  

[RoooLicious]

Tleining wrote...

okay, this thread is just moving way too fast for me to keep up. Did we get additional information on how to save Hawkes Mother?

from what I gather, forgetting everything except the misogynist serial killer quest line 

[Auroras]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Raygereio wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
Remember how much Isolde was willing to go through just to keep Connor?  She irritated me to no end, but I felt sorry for her. 

Oh, yeah. She was main person responsible for a crsis that got her husband poisoned, got a castle wipped out, got a village on this brink of similar wipping and probably scared her son for life; just because she was afraid the neighbours might think if they found out her son was a mage.

To be fair; I'd probably be more willing to accept the interpretation of her being a mother who just did something stupid because she thought it was the best thing for her son if her voice wasn't so damned annoying.

OO IZ DEES woMAN teaGAAAHN?!

I really try to think that she did it for the love of her son.  Mothers would do almost anything for their children.

DAT VOICE. 

[Valeria Cousland]

Chignon wrote...

Valeria Cousland wrote...

Guh. I can live with choosing between Sebastian and Anders *sob* but pleeeeeeease let there be an option to "redeem" or "rescue" Anders. Or change the circumstances of the Chantry blowing up, even if the event itself is set in stone. I don't want my Anders to become a total villain!

This does confirm that my Anders romance playthrough will be a fellow mage, though.

I actually would like to see a character that you can not redeem or rescue due to the magical power of love and friendship/rivalry paths - much like Bishop in NWN2. It doesn't necessarily need to be Anders, though.

I can see your point, but Bishop was an ass. Anders is a healer who runs an underground free clinic for refugees. I gotta believe there's better ways to go about the event other than "kill Anders" or "be an ass/evil and side with Anders."

[gecos]

Aesieru wrote...

Loghain's redemption, however, came in the form of a few conversations that I had within 3 minutes of getting him.

I'd have to say that had he just let me talk to him for 3 minutes before we did the whole fighting and killing and assassins and what not, I might have been able to achieve the same result.

Point is, Loghain's redemption in the story counts for something, in the logistics of it... no.

---

Remember though, that Vengeance came from Justice, and Justice became Vengeance only because of the undealt with "rage" at a perceived travesty that was in Anders.

The whole Loghain vs Anders point is completely wrong.
Loghain was a hero of Ferelden who delivered the realm from the hands of Orlesian occupiers by inspiring everyone with the sheer force of his personality. Remember the fierce loyalty veteran knights had for him (Ser Cauthrien comes to mind). He was the hero who became the villain and he was quick to admit his mistakes and commit to the good cause.
Let's see now Anders. He was saved from the gallows by the Warden Commander (and in some cases by the Warden King too) and made a brother by those who did so much for Ferelden before him. He was allowed to redeem himself even in the eyes of the templars by taking part in the defense of the land.  And the first thing that he has to say about the Wardens when asked in Kirkwall is "those bastards". Why? Because of a cat. Unbelievable. And then he decides to kill the same innocents who had him in great esteem for being their healer. So total love for the cat, total discontempt for the lives of the innocents. And no remorse. And betrayal of his companions. If there's nothing different on the rivalry path he deserves to be shriek food.

[The Elder King]

Valeria Cousland wrote...

Chignon wrote...

Valeria Cousland wrote...

Guh. I can live with choosing between Sebastian and Anders *sob* but pleeeeeeease let there be an option to "redeem" or "rescue" Anders. Or change the circumstances of the Chantry blowing up, even if the event itself is set in stone. I don't want my Anders to become a total villain!

This does confirm that my Anders romance playthrough will be a fellow mage, though.

I actually would like to see a character that you can not redeem or rescue due to the magical power of love and friendship/rivalry paths - much like Bishop in NWN2. It doesn't necessarily need to be Anders, though.

I can see your point, but Bishop was an ass. Anders is a healer who runs an underground free clinic for refugees. I gotta believe there's better ways to go about the event other than "kill Anders" or "be an ass/evil and side with Anders."

Anders seems to be the most complicate companion in DA2. Killing all the people in the Chantry contradicts his previous acts.

[Vaelidor]

I have nothing really to add to the spoiler conversation except for the fact that i absolutely love the "shades of gray" each character is portrayed as. It definitely seems more advantageous to fully role play as your character this time around instead of "I want you to like me so I will always do and say what you want to hear". Plus I have a weakness for dark stories that don't always end with the hero wins and gets the girl. Bring on the back stabbing and death!

[Rinji the Bearded]

gecos wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

Loghain's redemption, however, came in the form of a few conversations that I had within 3 minutes of getting him.

I'd have to say that had he just let me talk to him for 3 minutes before we did the whole fighting and killing and assassins and what not, I might have been able to achieve the same result.

Point is, Loghain's redemption in the story counts for something, in the logistics of it... no.

---

Remember though, that Vengeance came from Justice, and Justice became Vengeance only because of the undealt with "rage" at a perceived travesty that was in Anders.

The whole Loghain vs Anders point is completely wrong.
Loghain was a hero of Ferelden who delivered the realm from the hands of Orlesian occupiers by inspiring everyone with the sheer force of his personality. Remember the fierce loyalty veteran knights had for him (Ser Cauthrien comes to mind). He was the hero who became the villain and he was quick to admit his mistakes and commit to the good cause.
Let's see now Anders. He was saved from the gallows by the Warden Commander (and in some cases by the Warden King too) and made a brother by those who did so much for Ferelden before him. He was allowed to redeem himself even in the eyes of the templars by taking part in the defense of the land.  And the first thing that he has to say about the Wardens when asked in Kirkwall is "those bastards". Why? Because of a cat. Unbelievable. And then he decides to kill the same innocents who had him in great esteem for being their healer. So total love for the cat, total discontempt for the lives of the innocents. And no remorse. And betrayal of his companions. If there's nothing different on the rivalry path he deserves to be shriek food.

It wasn't just the cat.  It was ripping him away from his family, the mistreatment, the lack of justice, the lack of trust no matter what he did.  It's not like he blew up all of Kirkwall.

[Bigdoser]

Gecos I think he was joking about the cat....

[Dr. rotinaj]

gecos wrote...


The whole Loghain vs Anders point is completely wrong.
Loghain was a hero of Ferelden who delivered the realm from the hands of Orlesian occupiers by inspiring everyone with the sheer force of his personality. Remember the fierce loyalty veteran knights had for him (Ser Cauthrien comes to mind). He was the hero who became the villain and he was quick to admit his mistakes and commit to the good cause.
Let's see now Anders. He was saved from the gallows by the Warden Commander (and in some cases by the Warden King too) and made a brother by those who did so much for Ferelden before him. He was allowed to redeem himself even in the eyes of the templars by taking part in the defense of the land.  And the first thing that he has to say about the Wardens when asked in Kirkwall is "those bastards". Why? Because of a cat. Unbelievable. And then he decides to kill the same innocents who had him in great esteem for being their healer. So total love for the cat, total discontempt for the lives of the innocents. And no remorse. And betrayal of his companions. If there's nothing different on the rivalry path he deserves to be shriek food.

Didn't the Wardens try to kill him for being an abomination?

[Aesieru]

But you know he wanted to... and he probably would have.

---

This reminds me in awakening...

There were two templar dead near him, now the Darkspawn wouldn't ignore a prisoner, so did he really kill those two Templar if he said he didn't?

Modifié par Aesieru, 06 mars 2011 - 06:55 .

[werewoof]

Hmm...let's just hope there's a way to get rid of Vengeance, or at least stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry. Maybe it's different if you romance him or something. I cleverly avoided depressing endings in DA:O and I'd like to do the same here

Also, in case I missed it or something (this thread likes to gain 20 pages whenever I go to sleep), when Zevran shows up do we know if he still flirts with Hawke even if he was with your Warden in your imported game? If he's just going to cheat I'll be rather disappointed.

[The Elder King]

Bigdoser wrote...

Gecos I think he was joking about the cat....

Do you mean when he said "those bastards"? I think so.
Anyway, we should ask Klace if he knows what is Anders's story in DAA in the default import. It surely doesn't change his actions in DA2, but I'm curious.

[SurelyForth]

gecos wrote...

Let's see now Anders. He was saved from the gallows by the Warden Commander (and in some cases by the Warden King too) and made a brother by those who did so much for Ferelden before him. He was allowed to redeem himself even in the eyes of the templars by taking part in the defense of the land.  And the first thing that he has to say about the Wardens when asked in Kirkwall is "those bastards". Why? Because of a cat. Unbelievable. And then he decides to kill the same innocents who had him in great esteem for being their healer. So total love for the cat, total discontempt for the lives of the innocents. And no remorse. And betrayal of his companions. If there's nothing different on the rivalry path he deserves to be shriek food.

The Warden-Commander recruited a templar to watch over Anders, even though Grey Wardens are supposed to be independent of the Chantry. That's the real reason he hates them, but he's not going to bring that up to someone he just met, especially since it's also the reason why he allowed Justice in.

Also, Anders isn't atoning for anything in Awakening? He's done nothing wrong besides escape the Tower. He even comes back to help you if you set him free, even though he probably realizes it will ruin his chance to escape. 

Modifié par SurelyForth, 06 mars 2011 - 07:00 .

[Bigdoser]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

gecos wrote...


The whole Loghain vs Anders point is completely wrong.
Loghain was a hero of Ferelden who delivered the realm from the hands of Orlesian occupiers by inspiring everyone with the sheer force of his personality. Remember the fierce loyalty veteran knights had for him (Ser Cauthrien comes to mind). He was the hero who became the villain and he was quick to admit his mistakes and commit to the good cause.
Let's see now Anders. He was saved from the gallows by the Warden Commander (and in some cases by the Warden King too) and made a brother by those who did so much for Ferelden before him. He was allowed to redeem himself even in the eyes of the templars by taking part in the defense of the land.  And the first thing that he has to say about the Wardens when asked in Kirkwall is "those bastards". Why? Because of a cat. Unbelievable. And then he decides to kill the same innocents who had him in great esteem for being their healer. So total love for the cat, total discontempt for the lives of the innocents. And no remorse. And betrayal of his companions. If there's nothing different on the rivalry path he deserves to be shriek food.

Didn't the Wardens try to kill him for being an abomination?

Those wardens where templars made into wardens they wanted an excuse to kill him and soon as that happend they had the perfect reason if my warden was there he would exile those templar wardens.

[The Elder King]

tiktac wrote...

Hmm...let's just hope there's a way to get rid of Vengeance, or at least stop Anders from blowing up the Chantry. Maybe it's different if you romance him or something. I cleverly avoided depressing endings in DA:O and I'd like to do the same here

Also, in case I missed it or something (this thread likes to gain 20 pages whenever I go to sleep), when Zevran shows up do we know if he still flirts with Hawke even if he was with your Warden in your imported game? If he's just going to cheat I'll be rather disappointed.

Klace used the default import. We don't know what kind of relationship Zevran has with the Warden in this type of import.

[RoooLicious]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

gecos wrote...


The whole Loghain vs Anders point is completely wrong.
Loghain was a hero of Ferelden who delivered the realm from the hands of Orlesian occupiers by inspiring everyone with the sheer force of his personality. Remember the fierce loyalty veteran knights had for him (Ser Cauthrien comes to mind). He was the hero who became the villain and he was quick to admit his mistakes and commit to the good cause.
Let's see now Anders. He was saved from the gallows by the Warden Commander (and in some cases by the Warden King too) and made a brother by those who did so much for Ferelden before him. He was allowed to redeem himself even in the eyes of the templars by taking part in the defense of the land.  And the first thing that he has to say about the Wardens when asked in Kirkwall is "those bastards". Why? Because of a cat. Unbelievable. And then he decides to kill the same innocents who had him in great esteem for being their healer. So total love for the cat, total discontempt for the lives of the innocents. And no remorse. And betrayal of his companions. If there's nothing different on the rivalry path he deserves to be shriek food.

Didn't the Wardens try to kill him for being an abomination?

^and his own friend warden did that.... maybe some people need to go back and read the anders LI introduction again? it was his friend who betrayed him. Also... clearly being under the Orlais empress regime = saving ferelden from the mother, children, and talking darkspawn.