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Aesieru

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Dr. wonderful wrote...

claymation wrote...

so i went to the deep roads and left carver at home. mother lives but he joined the templars and i couldn't talk him out of it *sigh*

Then just beat him out of it. Posted Image


Burn down the barracks.

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claymation wrote...

so i went to the deep roads and left carver at home. mother lives but he joined the templars and i couldn't talk him out of it *sigh*


Unfortunately, that's how it is if you don't take either of the siblings along. Same goes for Beth and the Circle.

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TripLight wrote...

I am going to have an inappropriate amount of playthroughs, just finding out all the differences in rivalry/friendship. It's gonna be fun either way.

And I thought that the Templar only joined the Wardens because the Chantry was making a big stink out of Anders, so the Wardens took one Templar as a Warden to watch Anders, so to speak. A Compromise, if you will. Either that or I was reading something entirely different >.>.


I didn't read the story in the last days, but I remember that this Templar joined the Warden because he saw the destruction of a village, maybe Lothering.

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So...can I get Carver back later if I take him and Anders into the deep roads?

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Thicos wrote...

After all, who can die, who can leave and who can stay in the game until the end?


Varric, probably Aveline and probably Merril are the only ones that stay with you no matter what. Fenris will leave you unless you get enough friendship\\rivarly with him, same with Isabela. Also only Anders or Sebastian will stay with you in the end. And your sibiling can rejion you, if you complete enough quests concerning him, after he/she joins the GW or Templars/Circle. 

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hhh89 wrote...

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Klace! If I can ask, at waht level of friendship/rivarly you were with the companions?


All friendly. Just not ENOUGH to prevent some things I suppose.


Ah, so they weren't at 100%? Good to know.
You, Naitaka and Vanallen are my heroes in this day :P


Yeah, the guide and I think Gaider implied full Rivalry or Friendship was important. How important, I dunno. I'll be reading the Companions part of the guide like crazy while the game loads, I think. I'm curious as to how a Rivalmance is different than one based in Friendship, too. Do you just flirt with them and they get over the fact you oppose crucial goals to them? Seems too easy, but who knows.

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Aesieru wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

claymation wrote...

so i went to the deep roads and left carver at home. mother lives but he joined the templars and i couldn't talk him out of it *sigh*

Then just beat him out of it. Posted Image


Burn down the barracks.

No, that'll take too long.

Just walk up to him and headbutt him. Not like he's going to wear headgear

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Ryzaki wrote...

So...can I get Carver back later if I take him and Anders into the deep roads?



Vanallen said that you have to do certain quest, and he will return in the final act and joins you (I don't know if as a companion). Maybe if you do certain quest Carver and Beth can join you even in they remain in Kirkwall.

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arsonic wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Klace wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Klace! If I can ask, at waht level of friendship/rivarly you were with the companions?


All friendly. Just not ENOUGH to prevent some things I suppose.


Ah, so they weren't at 100%? Good to know.
You, Naitaka and Vanallen are my heroes in this day :P


Yeah, the guide and I think Gaider implied full Rivalry or Friendship was important. How important, I dunno. I'll be reading the Companions part of the guide like crazy while the game loads, I think. I'm curious as to how a Rivalmance is different than one based in Friendship, too. Do you just flirt with them and they get over the fact you oppose crucial goals to them? Seems too easy, but who knows.


Hawke-- "I disagree with everything you stand for, think, believe, and say"
Fenris-- "I'll still stand by your side..."
Hawke-- *Flirt*
Fenris-- "No one said we couldn't still be 'friends'."

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hhh89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So...can I get Carver back later if I take him and Anders into the deep roads?



Vanallen said that you have to do certain quest, and he will return in the final act and joins you (I don't know if as a companion). Maybe if you do certain quest Carver and Beth can join you even in they remain in Kirkwall.


I hope so as well. Posted Image 

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@ RinjiRenee
thank you ^_^

@ claymation
so did Carver save her or did you do the quest right away, saving her in the process.

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arsonic wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Ah, so they weren't at 100%? Good to know.
You, Naitaka and Vanallen are my heroes in this day :P


Yeah, the guide and I think Gaider implied full Rivalry or Friendship was important. 

Just like in Awakenings, which I hated because I basically had to metagame or cheat to get them to the high level needed for them to survive.

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Just in case anyone knows... If Anders blows up the Chantry, and Sebastian lives at the Chantry, what happens to Sebastian?


Also, where is it coming from that Bethany/Carver is the Secret Companion? Is that if they go to the Circle/Templars?

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Alright, I don't feel like reading through 200+ pages of this thread, so can someone tell me(with possible confirmation) If ALL the LI's in DA2 or Bisexual?

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Saiaxs wrote...

Alright, I don't feel like reading through 200+ pages of this thread, so can someone tell me(with possible confirmation) If ALL the LI's in DA2 or Bisexual?


The 4 love interests you can have sexual relations with are.
The DLC character which is a chaste relationship (read: no-sex.) is a love interest but not BI.

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Ninja'ed:ph34r:

Modifié par TripLight, 06 mars 2011 - 08:13 .


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Rovay , thank you.

Oh that's great, a rogue, a mage and a warrior. So predictable.

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hhh89 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

So...can I get Carver back later if I take him and Anders into the deep roads?



Vanallen said that you have to do certain quest, and he will return in the final act and joins you (I don't know if as a companion). Maybe if you do certain quest Carver and Beth can join you even in they remain in Kirkwall.

Quote from the poster with the guide (if I did the quotes right):

Zanallen wrote...

Well, as we should all know, if you
don't take your sibling with you to the Deep Roads, they leave the group
(Carver to Templars and Bethany to the Circle). If you take them, they
get tainted and die. However, if Anders is with your party, you get the
option to have them become Grey Wardens. Your sibling then leaves the
group. The guide then lists a series of quests that you need to do by
the end of the game. If you do them, your sibling will be there at the
start of the final act and you can have them join you again.


[edit] Though apparently this has been quoted at least once on the last page as well. My bad >_> Should've read the past 15 pages instead of skipping to the last page.

Modifié par sole-destiny, 06 mars 2011 - 08:19 .


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I really, really think they should have re-thought the whole "Friendship/Rivalry" titles.

They should have named them "Agreeing With What They Say" and "Sticking To Your Own Beliefs".

Rivalry does not necessarily mean hatred. It can foster admiration. A rivalry romance with Fenris, say, means that you are staying with your ideals that he shouldn't be a dbag. And through your adamant stance, he comes to respect and care for you. Maybe even change his ways.

Labeling such things as "rivalry" may scare off a lot of people and cause them to change the way they play because of misconceptions.

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namedforthemoon wrote...

Just in case anyone knows... If Anders blows up the Chantry, and Sebastian lives at the Chantry, what happens to Sebastian?


He's just gotta look for a new place, dig it?

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Saiaxs wrote...

Alright, I don't feel like reading through 200+ pages of this thread, so can someone tell me(with possible confirmation) If ALL the LI's in DA2 or Bisexual?


It seems that way. Several people have talked about it being fact from playing the game. I'm pretty sure its true, just not 100% sure.

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nevermind

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brightredscream wrote...

I really, really think they should have re-thought the whole "Friendship/Rivalry" titles.

They should have named them "Agreeing With What They Say" and "Sticking To Your Own Beliefs".

Rivalry does not necessarily mean hatred. It can foster admiration. A rivalry romance with Fenris, say, means that you are staying with your ideals that he shouldn't be a dbag. And through your adamant stance, he comes to respect and care for you. Maybe even change his ways.

Labeling such things as "rivalry" may scare off a lot of people and cause them to change the way they play because of misconceptions.


...Just think of it as Gary Oak and people will understand.

Now I gotta go write a project and get it done befor six, so that leaves me three hours.

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I'm just curious how does a mage Hawke/Fenris LI relationship work if Fenris HATES mages?

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Zyah.ftw wrote...

I'm just curious how does a mage Hawke/Fenris LI relationship work if Fenris HATES mages?


The same way racist people date someone of the race they're discriminatory against. 

"You're the exception."