brightredscream wrote...
Sorry to be a bother, but is there an updated version of all of the spoilers so far, and if so, what page is it on? (am at work).
FASherman wrote...
LilyasAvalon wrote...
If the devs keep to their original promise of the Dragon Age games not being about a singular person, but rather, the entire lore and world, that is probably what is going to happen.FASherman wrote...
LilyasAvalon wrote...
Also, regarding the Warden's disappearance. I do think it was involuntary and something to do with Flemeth. Even more so now that we know Hawke goes missing by the end of DA2 as well.
My guess is that in DA3, you become the Something of Orlais, who also goes missing and then in DA4, the fina in the series, you find the three main characters from the first three. The final Boss Battle is an epic battle where all 4 of your DA characters join together to defeat the Flemeth/Abomination and end the blights for ever.
Or not.
But so far, a few of them are already talking about Hawke in DA3 and Cassandra and... ngh...
So what do we know that could help figure this out?
Two religions clashed to create the first blight. The Tevinter Imperium worshipped the Old Gods. It was at the beckoning of the Old Gods that the magisters attempted to usurp the Maker's throne by entering the Golden City of the Maker, which corrupted it and led to the first Blight. The Tevinter Imperium suffered the brunt of the First Blight and was subsequently toppled in an invasion by southern barbarians led by the prophetess Andraste.
The archdemons are tainted Old Gods, infected and warped, not what they once were. Morrigan's ritual was an attempt to free an Old God from the taint, but to what end?
So the blight is the result of Old Gods vs. Andraste.
Now, lets consider the result...
What Andraste leaves behind is the Chantry, founded in Orlais (hence my belief for that as the next setting). Hand in hand with the Chantry is the Templars, who subjugate the mages, whereas in the Imperium, mages were the ruling class.
So, now we have Old Gods/Mages vs, Andraste/Chantry/Templars
Where does Flemmeth fit in? She seems to have a special relationship with the elves. Elven slaves supported Andraste's uprising against the Tevinter Imperium. The elves joined Andraste to depose the Tevinter magisters, and they were rewarded for their loyalty by being granted land in the Dales upon Andraste's victory.
And think about Flemmeth's initial meeting with Hawke. Doesn't she sound a bit like a prophetess, trying to decide if its destiny or not? What if those nuts in the cave were partly right? What if Andraste is a dragon after all? What if she is Andraste?
Would this not explain why Morrigan was seeking the soul of an Old God, free from the taint?
What if the final chapter of Dragon Age is:
Morrigan/God-baby(if you chose)/Old Gods/Mages vs, Flmmeth/Andraste/Chantry/Templars/Elves
And YOU have to chose how it all ends.
arsonic wrote...
brightredscream wrote...
How MUCH rivalry would I need for Fenris if I was a mage? Because arsonic brings up a good point. I don't want to disagree with him on all points just to get in his pants, so to speak.
My GUESS is that you could do Rivalry most of the time, except when it directly affects Fenris (I.E., his companion quests). You want mages free but if any of them go after Fenris, they're dead. Which would make sense, I guess. He would trust Hawke personally enough after that to know she/he'd put their relationship above personal opinion when it mattered.
tankgirly wrote...
brightredscream wrote...
Sorry to be a bother, but is there an updated version of all of the spoilers so far, and if so, what page is it on? (am at work).
I've been spending at least three hours trying to catch up. If all goes well next summary up at pg 220.
Modifié par Aesieru, 06 mars 2011 - 08:56 .
WrexKroganKing wrote...
Yeah, because your career determines your sexual orientation.
Ericander77 wrote...
Hey Klace, did Flemeth appear again after the ritual?????
Lukas Kristjanson wrote...
A reminder for the late shift, spoilers stay in this thread which is tolerated only because it is clearly marked. No drift to other threads. And hey, as a personal preference, how about no giggly little "OMG, I just heard something, go to spoilerz!" posts. Seriously, don't be that guy.
Summary
1. Zevran appeared in one of the Sundermount quest. His screenie
2. Nathaniel appeared in one of the Deep Road quest.
3. Leliana appeared in one of the Basti quest. Possible Leliana
4. Fenris live in what possibly his former master's mansion (next door to Hawk's), Merill in Alienage, Anders in his clinic, Isabela and Varric, not certain about Aveline or Basti
5. There is a cap on levels, though I got very confused about the numbers.
6. Bethany has three endings: Join the Circle, Died in the Deep Road, or Join the GW (?)
7. Carver has three endings: Join the Templar, Died in the DR, or Join the GW.
8. The talking darkspawn Disciple appeared in the DR.
9. There is something about Meredith's eyes.
10. Meredith is one of the final boss.
11. Defeating Meredith is one of the secret achievement.
12. Some dialogue by Hawk's mother hinted she was not aware of whatever Hawk's relationship was in.
13. Hawk was  in Kirkwall when the news of the Blight was finished by the Warden reached him/her.
14. Fenris' former Tevinter Magister Master's name is Danarius.
15. A quick look at the erf files hints that these are some of the gifts for the companions. Take this as extreme speculation:
Anders: Key + an amulet
Aveline: Shield
Fenris: Book + a sword
Isabela: Ship?! + a talisman
Merrill: Halla?! + a ring
Sebastian: Bow
How to access the file from the demo: Program Files>Dragon Age 2 Demo>modules>campaign_base>data>designerplots in wordpad/notepad and search "gift".
16. There is a new blood mage speciality (?)
17. And Aveline/Quanary Quest Link
18. Fenris apprear to hate mage and thinks everyone should be made tranquil. (Possible only rivarly romance route for the mage Hawk).
19. Anders appear to hate Templar.
20. Merrill appears to be bi.
21. Cullen appeared in one of the guest, along with some guy named Wilmod LInk
22. There is a brothel in Kirkwall (right, very important to some of us!).
23. There is a blood mage sanctuary and it doesn't seem to be Anders clinic.
24. Carver and Bethany's codex entries
25. DA II Gaming guide
(possiblly partial)
26. According to the quides. Cameos from the Origins series:
Alistair
Leliana
Zevran
Nathaniel
Bodhan and Sandal
Cullen
Justice?
Sketch
Bonny Lem
Sophia Dryden
27.Infos floating around 4chan suggested Flemeth might played bigger role in DA II (possibly the spirit possessed Meredith).
28. Basti is an LI.
29. It is very strongly suggested Anders could be bi (from his flirt with H!Hawk and the traguil mage KArl he was trying to rescue).
30. The ritual mentionted in Merrill's backstory involves her chanting in Dalish and Flemeth pops out of the amulet (Lord Vordy in HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!). IT seems she put a little piece of her soul in it because she figured that Morrigan would come back with the Warden to kill her. She gives some cryptic advice and says that she's thankful, but she pities Hawke because of the road ahead. She then turns into a dragon and flies off.
31. Sandle was in game.
32. Zathrian was mentioned in game.
33. There is minore flirting line on Carver to Merrill!!!OMG!!!!
34. Merrill: "Why do they called it Brothel? Does that have something do to with broth?"
35. Cullen is now the Knight Captain (wow).
36. Fenris is also strongly suggested he is bi. We now have all 4 bi.
37. There are several Qunari related quest in Kirkwall (to my delight).
38. Fenris's preslave name is Leto.
39. Fenris had a sister, who was sided with Danarius, his former magister master.
40. One of the quest to separate Anders and Justice.
41. When going to the Deep Road, if you take Bethany/Carver with you, Bethany/Carver will contract the taint and you will have the choice to slay them or leave them in the DR. This is possibly when your Awakening import save file click in. Nathaniel will save Bethany/Carver by making them a Grey Warden.
42. If you leave them in their estate, Bethany will be dragged away and join the Circle and Carver will join the Templar willingly.
43. Mama Hawk could be died,too.
44. Zevran will flirt with you and tried to sleep with you, then your LI will step in.
45. The Warden will be mentioned by Zevran.
46. Hawk can sleep with Zevran.
47. The "relic" was a holy Qunari book written by the founder of the Qun religion.
48. The Arishok will not be allowed to leave Kirkwall until he finds that book.
49. Issie knew a along what the relic was.
50. During the Fade quest, a demon would offer Merrill a scion of the Dalish. Delined to let Merrill to do it will result in rivalry level inclease.
51. Merill has an Eluvian in her bedroom and her quests are trying to get it back in working order.
52. There will be LI confrontation.
53. Aveline will remarried and honeymooned in Orlais.
54. If you made Bhelen king in DA:O Harrowmont's relative is in Kirkwall.
55. There's a man being confronted by a group of dalish, and he said he used to be a werewolf, but the hero of Ferelden helped him turn back. And he said he was sorry for killing the elves when he was a werwolf, but the dalish still want to kill him. You can step in and help him, and the elves get angry and attack.
56. The subquests hinting the main plot: Mages V.S. Templars.
57. At one stage you will receive the letter from King Alistair, which triggered the cameo (assumed you let Alistair as king in Origin) of Ali and Teagan.
58. Cullen was also suspecious of Meredith.
59. Merrill was being used by the demon to complete the mirror so they can channel to the real world (Doctor Who!!!!!!!!!)
60. Merrill's Keeper was the demon (no wonder she looks different) and her clan will turn against you once you kill her.
61. There's an Orlesian woman who goes missing from her husband and the family suspects the husband. Do this quest, you learn more women have gone missing, KEEP DOING THIS QUEST.
62. One of the Anders ending (surely it depends on the Rilvary/Friendly scale) was He didn't want help separating Justice from him. He was concocting something to destroy The Chantry. He blew up the ENTIRE freaking Chantry in Kirkwall with some massive spell.Then Meredith ordered The Right of Annulment to execute every Mage in Kirkwall.
63. There are 13 different endinds.
64. Letter from Alistair quest is in Act 3.
65. Track down Zevran quest was given on the quest giver.
66. Morrigan is mentioned by Flemeth but no cameo.
67. It was Leliana who retrieved the book Cassandra tossed at Varric at the beginning of the game. It was indicated that she joined the Seekers in order to search for the Warden (KOTOR!).
68. It was the Grey Warden made Anders get rid of Ser Pounce-A-Lot.
69. New Zevran screenie
70. Anders will turned into Justice in the Fade. So do not take Merrill or him in the Fade quest.
71. There are a few ways to keep Anders without killing him, though you might lose Sebastian in the process.
72. A bartender in Kirkwall mentioned pigeon population in Ferelden was decreasing.
73. There is a rumour around you can married Basti if you are a female.
74. There is another way to save your siblings: Take Anders to the Deep Road with you. He's a Grey Warden.
75. To ensure your siblings returned in the future, do whatever quests that's related to them after the joining.
76. If you didn't kill Anders after the Chantry thingy, Basti will leave ( how charming).
77. You can have up to 8 active companions when fighting the last boss. Including NPCs if you do their quests.
78. If you side with the mages, Fenris will leave unless you have 100% friendship/rivalry. It looks like you get a second chance to rerecruit him if "you have a solid friendship".
79. As the last boss loses health, you can be joined by your sibs, Varric, Anders, Aveline, Fenris, Isabela and Sebastian. They supposedly show up in that order, baring you already having them in your party, being dead or having left you. The NPCs are, in order, Donnic (Have to have Aveline in your main party), Zevran and Nathaniel.
80. Donnic is the name of Aveline's second husband.
81. There´s an achievement for exorcising a party member.
82. if we choose the rivarly path in full Isabela may agree on handing the relic to the Qunari.83. If you don't help him distract the Grand Cleric, they get away. Anders realizes that you were right and he almost did something horrible, asks for forgiveness. Seb will still be mad enough to leave if you do so, just because he tried. The Templar/Mage end game stuff still kicks off because it's still an assassination attempt on the Grand Cleric by a mage (I knew someone else will do it!).
Modifié par tankgirly, 07 mars 2011 - 12:15 .
Klace wrote...
Ericander77 wrote...
Hey Klace, did Flemeth appear again after the ritual?????
Nope!
Modifié par dreamextractor, 06 mars 2011 - 09:02 .
brightredscream wrote...
arsonic wrote...
brightredscream wrote...
How MUCH rivalry would I need for Fenris if I was a mage? Because arsonic brings up a good point. I don't want to disagree with him on all points just to get in his pants, so to speak.
My GUESS is that you could do Rivalry most of the time, except when it directly affects Fenris (I.E., his companion quests). You want mages free but if any of them go after Fenris, they're dead. Which would make sense, I guess. He would trust Hawke personally enough after that to know she/he'd put their relationship above personal opinion when it mattered.
I hope so. I really, really hope so. I guess I'm just going to have to save a zillion times and see what ends up happening.
Hopefully someone will play as a mage before I screw it up utterly and let us know.
Ericander77 wrote...
i am really going to have to get the game guide if i stand any chance at not being mad with the outcome
Klace wrote...
Oh okay. ^^
Well I will be able to 100% confirm this in the next little bit.
Skadi_Shroom wrote...
Thanks for all the info Klace. I am very curious to see how the Deep Roads go down.
Also: Still hoping for that Alistair pic.
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