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[Rinji the Bearded]

EnchantedEyes1 wrote...

 Damn! Spoiled myself real good there in regards to Anders. I had a feeling returning companions were going to be a problem for me because of my many play throughs of Awakenings... Grew too attached to Anders and not sure if I will be able to approach this as objectively as I would like. No way can I knife him...

You can also tell him to leave.

[tankgirly]

Am going to repost what I've post at page 230, anyone saw something worth discussing do feel free.

First things first, we have this lovely warning from the dev today:

Lukas Kristjanson wrote...

A reminder for the late shift, spoilers stay in this thread which is tolerated only because it is clearly marked. No drift to other threads. And hey, as a personal preference, how about no giggly little "OMG, I just heard something, go to spoilerz!" posts. Seriously, don't be that guy.

And no more stream link . We got warning, too.

And for the save measure, I removed all the screenie you guys had painstakingly taken. Thank you. I will keep it in a save file and quard it day and night.

The bold ones are the updates since the last post.

Summary


1. Zevran appeared in one of the Sundermount quest. His screenie
2. Nathaniel appeared in one of the Deep Road quest.
3. Leliana appeared in one of the Basti quest. Possible Leliana
4. Fenris live in what possibly his former master's mansion (next door to Hawk's), Merill in Alienage, Anders in his clinic, Isabela and Varric, not certain about Aveline or Basti
5. There is a cap on levels, though I got very confused about the numbers.
6. Bethany has three endings: Join the Circle, Died in the Deep Road, or Join the GW (?)
7. Carver has three endings: Join the Templar, Died in the DR, or Join the GW.
8. The talking darkspawn Disciple appeared in the DR.
9. There is something about Meredith's eyes.
10. Meredith is one of the final boss.
11. Defeating Meredith is one of the secret achievement.
12. Some dialogue by Hawk's mother hinted she was not aware of whatever Hawk's relationship was in.
13. Hawk was  in Kirkwall when the news of the Blight was finished by the Warden reached him/her.

14. Fenris' former Tevinter Magister Master's name is Danarius.
15. A quick look at the erf files hints that these are some of the gifts for the companions. Take this as extreme speculation:

Anders: Key + an amulet
Aveline: Shield
Fenris: Book + a sword
Isabela: Ship?! + a talisman
Merrill: Halla?! + a ring
Sebastian: Bow

How to access the file from the demo: Program Files>Dragon Age 2 Demo>modules>campaign_base>data>designerplots in wordpad/notepad and search "gift".
16. There is a new blood mage speciality (?)
17. And Aveline/Quanary Quest Link
18. Fenris apprear to hate mage and thinks everyone should be made tranquil. (Possible only rivarly romance route for the mage Hawk).
19. Anders appear to hate Templar.
20. Merrill appears to be bi.
21. Cullen appeared in one of the guest, along with some guy named Wilmod LInk
22. There is a brothel in Kirkwall (right, very important to some of us!).
23. There is a blood mage sanctuary and it doesn't seem to be Anders clinic.
24. Carver and Bethany's codex entries
25. DA II Gaming guide
(possiblly partial)
26. According to the quides. Cameos from the Origins series:


Alistair
Leliana
Zevran
Nathaniel
Bodhan and Sandal
Cullen
Justice?
Sketch
Bonny Lem
Sophia Dryden

27.Infos floating around 4chan suggested Flemeth might played bigger role in DA II (possibly the spirit possessed Meredith).
28. Basti is an LI.
29. It is very strongly suggested Anders could be bi (from his flirt with H!Hawk and the traguil mage KArl he was trying to rescue).
30. The ritual mentionted in Merrill's backstory involves her chanting in Dalish and Flemeth pops out of the amulet (Lord Vordy in HP!!!!!!!!!!!!!). IT seems she put a little piece of her soul in it because she figured that Morrigan would come back with the Warden to kill her. She gives some cryptic advice and says that she's thankful, but she pities Hawke because of the road ahead. She then turns into a dragon and flies off.
31. Sandle was in game.
32. Zathrian was mentioned in game.
33. There is minore flirting line on Carver to Merrill!!!OMG!!!!
34. Merrill: "Why do they called it Brothel? Does that have something do to with broth?"
35. Cullen is now the Knight Captain (wow).
36. Fenris is also strongly suggested he is bi. We now have all 4 bi.
37. There are several Qunari related quest in Kirkwall (to my delight).
38. Fenris's preslave name is Leto.
39. Fenris had a sister, who was sided with Danarius, his former magister master.
40. One of the quest to separate Anders and Justice.

41. When going to the Deep Road, if you take Bethany/Carver with you, Bethany/Carver will contract the taint and you will have the choice to slay them or leave them in the DR. This is possibly when your Awakening import save file click in. Nathaniel will save Bethany/Carver by making them a Grey Warden.
42. If you leave them in their estate, Bethany will be dragged away and join the Circle and Carver will join the Templar willingly.
43. Mama Hawk could be died,too.

44. Zevran will flirt with you and tried to sleep with you, then your LI will step in.
45. The Warden will be mentioned by Zevran.
46. Hawk can sleep with Zevran.
47. The "relic" was a holy Qunari book written by the founder of the Qun religion.
48. The Arishok will not be allowed to leave Kirkwall until he finds that book.
49. Issie knew a along what the relic was.
50. During the Fade quest, a demon would offer Merrill a scion of the Dalish. Delined to let Merrill to do it will result in rivalry level inclease.
51. Merill has an Eluvian in her bedroom and her quests are trying to get it back in working order.

52. There will be LI confrontation.
53. Aveline will remarried and honeymooned in Orlais.
54. If you made Bhelen king in DA:O Harrowmont's relative is in Kirkwall.
55. There's a man being confronted by a group of dalish, and he said he used to be a werewolf, but the hero of Ferelden helped him turn back. And he said he was sorry for killing the elves when he was a werwolf, but the dalish still want to kill him. You can step in and help him, and the elves get angry and attack.
56. The subquests hinting the main plot: Mages V.S. Templars.
57. At one stage you will receive the letter from King Alistair, which triggered the cameo (assumed you let Alistair as king in Origin) of Ali and Teagan.
58. Cullen was also suspecious of Meredith.
59. Merrill was being used by the demon to complete the mirror so they can channel to the real world (Doctor Who!!!!!!!!!)
60. Merrill's Keeper was the demon (no wonder she looks different) and her clan will turn against you once you kill her.
61. There's an Orlesian woman who goes missing from her husband and the family suspects the husband. Do this quest, you learn more women have gone missing, KEEP DOING THIS QUEST.
62. One of the Anders ending (surely it depends on the Rilvary/Friendly scale) was He didn't want help separating Justice from him. He was concocting something to destroy The Chantry. He blew up the ENTIRE freaking Chantry in Kirkwall with some massive spell.Then Meredith ordered The Right of Annulment to execute every Mage in Kirkwall.
63. There are 13 different endinds.
64. Letter from Alistair quest is in Act 3.
65. Track down Zevran quest was given on the quest giver.
66. Morrigan is mentioned by Flemeth but no cameo.
67. It was Leliana who retrieved the book Cassandra tossed at Varric at the beginning of the game. It was indicated that she joined the Seekers in order to search for the Warden (KOTOR!).
68. It was the Grey Warden made Anders get rid of Ser Pounce-A-Lot.
69. New Zevran screenie
70. Anders will turned into Justice in the Fade. So do not take Merrill or him in the Fade quest.
71. There are a few ways to keep Anders without killing him, though you might lose Sebastian in the process.
72. A bartender in Kirkwall mentioned pigeon population in Ferelden was decreasing.
73. There is a rumour around you can married Basti if you are a female.
74. There is another way to save your siblings: Take Anders to the Deep Road with you. He's a Grey Warden.
75. To ensure your siblings returned in the future, do whatever quests that's related to them after the joining.
76. If you didn't kill Anders after the Chantry thingy, Basti will leave ( how charming).
77. You can have up to 8 active companions when fighting the last boss. Including NPCs if you do their quests.
78. If you side with the mages, Fenris will leave unless you have 100% friendship/rivalry. It looks like you get a second chance to rerecruit him if "you have a solid friendship".
79. As the last boss loses health, you can be joined by your sibs, Varric, Anders, Aveline, Fenris, Isabela and Sebastian. They supposedly show up in that order, baring you already having them in your party, being dead or having left you. The NPCs are, in order, Donnic (Have to have Aveline in your main party), Zevran and Nathaniel.
80. Donnic is the name of Aveline's second husband.
81. There´s an achievement for exorcising a party member.
82. if we choose the rivarly path in full Isabela may agree on handing the relic to the Qunari.

83. A quest comes up with a dwarf offering to give you all the money you need to go to the Deep Roads as long as you pay him back more. It's an easy way to fund your expedition. But apparently he wants more and more money and he has ambushed me at the start of act 2 demanding it.
84. So far it seemed inavoidable for Leandra's death.
85. Anders stole the Warden maps from another Grey Warden planning an expedition to The Deep Roads. He reveals this after Carver is inflicted with The Blight. Anders doesn't turn him into a Grey Warden, you do a quest to find the Wardens in the Deep Roads named Stroud. Who takes Carver away and says you may never see him again. That same Grey Warden shows up during the end of Act 2 saying there are urgent Grey Warden issues and they are too important to even help Kirkwall stop the Qunari war.
86. Isabella seems to be an optional companion, so is Fenris (TGP had confirmed the possiblity).
87. Leave Kirkwall in Act 2 with Fenris in your party to activate his story arc. Slaver/Sister. In this quest you can recruit an elf girl to be a servant at your home.
88. FemHawke doesn't want Fenris to leave, so she reaches out to grab his shoulder. He glows blue and gets mad, pinning her against the wall before they kiss and make out. HOT (OMFG!!!!!!!!).
89. Fenris will leave for a while but return later.
90. If Fenris is with you when you confront The Arishok at the end of act 2, he will use his knowledge of The Qun to invoke a 1 on 1 duel between Hawke and The Arishok.

oh, and.....






Klace will be unbanned in the next 24 hours.

Modifié par tankgirly, 07 mars 2011 - 05:23 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Aaaand my moral debates end for the night. Been really fun chatting with you guys... will probably be a bit busy playing DA2 and romancing the ever living crap out of Anders for a few days.

Here's to change! *toast*

[leggywillow]

::watched the Anders video::

Whhhhhyyyy did I do that?  ::sigh::

GOD. DAMNIT. ANDERS.

I know I will still you love anyway, you bloody insane demon-possessed mage.  You are going to tear Hawke's heart into trillions of sharp pieces putting her through this, you know.  I hope you feel guilty, Anders.  You too, writers.

[Wissenschaft]

Your right, I am arguing extremes becuase I can only feel this action will lead to extreme. Which is not Justice. But Anders no longer has Justice with him, only Vengeance. They fact that Anders seems to have kill a person (High Cleric lady) that could have been his ally if he wanted to take out the overzealous Templars just shows the madness of his action.

That scene could have been resolved with the Champion talking to the High Cleric. She very likely could have made the Templars calm down since their commander seemed uneasy about talking with her. Likely becuase she knew her templars would have followed her suggestions.

So what did Anders do? Kill an ally that could have help a comprimise so that only the extreme options are left. Templars either wipe out or instill draconian rule over the circles or the Circles will break free with no one to control them after having fought the chantry in a very nasty war. Anders said it himself there could be no comprimise now.

If you wanted freedom form the chantry, there had to be a better way then starting an all out war were the vast majority of people will side with the Chantry.

Anders has made a sucidical nightmare for mages everywhere.

Modifié par Wissenschaft, 07 mars 2011 - 05:24 .

[Zabaniya]

Sigh. Anders was a cool guy. But I'm going to have to stab him 9 times across 9 playthroughs.  No matter how much I believe in change as much as he does when it comes to making things better, using the lives of innocents in the process is a no for me.

Modifié par Zabaniya, 07 mars 2011 - 05:22 .

[Phate Phoenix]

...I suddenly have this feeling taht Anders is going to be my Zevran for this game. No matter what I plan, no matter how I go into a game, Anders will always be the one I end up with at the end. I might try Seb once, but, even then, I doubt I'll be killing Anders at the end.

Tuesday can't come soon enough. I'm gonna be up the walls tomorrow, trying to plot out my first character. And I still haven't decided if I should play male or female yet!

[LilyasAvalon]

Wow, making out with angry, glowy Fenris? DEFINATELY want.

[arsonic]

Wissenschaft wrote...

Great, change.......but a change for what? Complete Chaos? The circle free to do whatever they want so all of Thedas can be like Tevinter?

I don't think I can side with the templars at all unless during the game we get plenty of evidence that there are blood mages in the circle.

heck, we already know that the templars are right, the circle is full of blood mages. I'm just not sure our character would know that at the time of this decision.

Ahh, see, that's what I've always thought is the big issue with the mages. There are evil men everywhere, not just mages, so why punish all mages? Well, because mages have a lot more power than regular people. When they make a bad decision, the repercussions are a lot more devastating (See: Uldred, Avernus, even Connor). So okay, they should be locked up...but they don't choose to be mages. People are born mages, and who's to say the confinement and Chantry rule doesn't lead many to evil/not so good decisions (Uldred again, Jowan, heck, Anders). So why lock people up for something they have no control over? Well, they're too powerful...

...it's just a big moral clusterbomb all by itself. The end of DA2 is clearly going to be like taking the lid off the pressure cooker whatever the player decides.

[dewayne31]

i for one will never side anders. i understand andthink he a legit grip but blowing women and kids cross the line. he probably supported uldrid in someway

[leggywillow]

Phate Phoenix wrote...


...I suddenly have this feeling taht Anders is going to be my Zevran for this game. No matter what I plan, no matter how I go into a game, Anders will always be the one I end up with at the end. I might try Seb once, but, even then, I doubt I'll be killing Anders at the end.

LOL, me too.  Although that was always Alistair for me, not Zevran.  And Kaidan in ME.  DA2 will be a much harder decision, I think... I'm legitimately interested in all of the LIs, enough to have Hawkes planned for all of them.  In the end I have a strong suspicion Anders will come out on top.

Phate Phoenix wrote...
Tuesday can't come soon enough. I'm gonna be up the walls tomorrow, trying to plot out my first character. And I still haven't decided if I should play male or female yet!

I've been planning characters for months... it's the only thing that's kept me sane!  I think I have 6 Hawkes matched up to 6 Origins files now.  Of course, it's all subject to change after I play through the game once.

[Cobra The Mad]

Wow lol, everyone sure is getting heated up about what Anders did - and he's not even real!

I can say though, I'll be siding with him probably on my play through. Makes for interesting story.

[Zabaniya]

Cobra The Mad wrote...

Wow lol, everyone sure is getting heated up about what Anders did - and he's not even real!

I can say though, I'll be siding with him probably on my play through. Makes for interesting story.

We're well aware of that.  It's his actions, which are very real (except you replace magic with bombs) and the consequences of such actions which heats most people up.  Although I'm going to have to say that some of the responses are more influenced by being able to use him in Awakening.

[Ninjacat513]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

Wow, making out with angry, glowy Fenris? DEFINATELY want.

I literally got up out of my chair and did one of these when I saw that...

[Wissenschaft]

I agree, having them locked up tends to cause more problems then good, and I think I will end up siding with the Circle in this cause because the templar commander is out of control with her order to kill all mages.

However, what Anders did has made the situation far far worst. Now mages everywhere are likely going to be in an all out war with the templars and no matter what happens, its going to be a blood bath.

This was the worst way to try and free the mages.

[Phate Phoenix]

leggywillow wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...


...I suddenly have this feeling that Anders is going to be my Zevran for this game. No matter what I plan, no matter how I go into a game, Anders will always be the one I end up with at the end. I might try Seb once, but, even then, I doubt I'll be killing Anders at the end.

LOL, me too.  Although that was always Alistair for me, not Zevran.  And Kaidan in ME.  DA2 will be a much harder decision, I think... I'm legitimately interested in all of the LIs, enough to have Hawkes planned for all of them.  In the end I have a strong suspicion Anders will come out on top.

Anders is really th eonly one I'm actively interested in. Seb I like because he's chaste, so that should add a neat angle to it, but Anders is the only character (thus far) that I like. Which is probably why I won't kill him. Ever.

leggywillow wrote...

Phate Phoenix wrote...


Tuesday can't come soon enough. I'm gonna be up the walls tomorrow, trying to plot out my first character. And I still haven't decided if I should play male or female yet!

I've been planning characters for months... it's the only thing that's kept me sane!  I think I have 6 Hawkes matched up to 6 Origins files now.  Of course, it's all subject to change after I play through the game once.

What's kept me sane is that I've been playing through Origns/Awakening/Golems/Witch Hunt twice for my imports. I just finished today, actually. Now I'm just stuck waiting. Which is why my brain's buzzing.

[Ninjacat513]

Oh, Bioware...You really know how to tug on the heartstrings... >_<

My Anders romance will be all "B-B-But I trusted you! I lubbed you! Whhhhhyyyy D:"

[Corephyfish]

Ok i'm not going to go through 230 pages to try looking for it but...

Wait, what we can romance Sebastian too? I would have thought they wouldn't have done that him being DLC and not everyone getting him.

Oh well, pleasant surprise if he is, gotta love that accent...

Please confirm?

[Cobra The Mad]

Zabaniya wrote...

Cobra The Mad wrote...

Wow lol, everyone sure is getting heated up about what Anders did - and he's not even real!

I can say though, I'll be siding with him probably on my play through. Makes for interesting story.

We're well aware of that.  It's his actions, which are very real (except you replace magic with bombs) and the consequences of such actions which heats most people up.  Although I'm going to have to say that some of the responses are more influenced by being able to use him in Awakening.

Yeah, but in the end its still a game. If people want to be worked up about something that could be real, how about the real life revolutions that are happening in egypt or iraq?

Course to each his own I suppose.

[Abhorash]

slydfoxxy wrote...

Ok i'm not going to go through 230 pages to try looking for it but...

Wait, what we can romance Sebastian too? I would have thought they wouldn't have done that him being DLC and not everyone getting him.

Oh well, pleasant surprise if he is, gotta love that accent...

Please confirm?

yes you can

[Epic777]

Cobra The Mad wrote...

Wow lol, everyone sure is getting heated up about what Anders did - and he's not even real!

I can say though, I'll be siding with him probably on my play through. Makes for interesting story.

Compared the discussions on the ME board, this is icy cold.

[Cobra The Mad]

Epic777 wrote...

Cobra The Mad wrote...

Wow lol, everyone sure is getting heated up about what Anders did - and he's not even real!

I can say though, I'll be siding with him probably on my play through. Makes for interesting story.

Compared the discussions on the ME board, this is icy cold.

Oh geez, I don't think I've even touched over there. The only ME discussions I've been around are those on DA, and those are mostly people fighting over who is the best LI.

[Kimarous]

I really don't get why reviewers tend to complain that DA2's story is less "epic." From what I've seen, sure, it might not be as straightforward in a "save the world" way, but the individual moments feel significantly more compelling. Not sure if I'm phrasing this right but it kinda seems like... DAO: parts leading to a big whole, DA2: whole consisting of big parts.

[Sargerus]

does anyone ever mentions the WARDEN? if so, in which circunstances?