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[debbiepuff]

Delilah Howe at the beginning of ACT III

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[Sargerus]

Let's make a better world:

KILL ALL MAGES AND TEMPLARS!

[Camilladilla]

slumlord722 wrote...

For a slightly more sillier version of how I see what went down:


Chantry: "Each and every mage is a threat because they all have the potential to be corrupted by demons and unleash untold horrors upon the world!"


Anders:[/i][i] "MAGES SHOULD BE FREEEE!" 

*Uses magic gained by collaboration with a demon to unleash untold horrors upon the world*



I mean, people see what's wrong with this, right?

Couldn't have facepalmed more upon reading these last few pages. Why, Anders? Way to put the mage movement several hundred steps back. 

Inspiring mages around the world to fight doesn't seem like a good idea either and I don't see things turning out well for mages who go up against templars who are trained to handle them.

[Dominus5412]

For example, I can't ever agree with what Anders did. Not if it frees all the mages everywhere (even ignorning the fact that I think that would be a bad thing in the first place).

On the oppositie token, I wouldn't agree with Meredith's purge either. I would most likely defy Meredith and killAnders.

The point is, however, that my defying Meredith would by no means be a "siding with the mages."

Now, if it is possible to both defy her purge but not be forced to take up the misguided cause of the mages, I would be greatly impressed.

I agree with this.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

I want to know how Anders got to this point, in awakening he just wanted to be free he disagreed with the chantry but he was never so extreme he even went back to the circle at the end of the game before returning to the warderns

[Wissenschaft]

Well, there is that middle option that says more or less I don't choose either side

Haven't heard of anyone picking it yet.

[Bigdoser]

DinoSteve wrote...

I want to know how Anders got to this point, in awakening he just wanted to be free he disagreed with the chantry but he was never so extreme he even went back to the circle at the end of the game before returning to the warderns

Blame vengance considiring how long they have been together it does seem that the demon will have effects on anders emotions.

[Wissenschaft]

DinoSteve wrote...

I want to know how Anders got to this point, in awakening he just wanted to be free he disagreed with the chantry but he was never so extreme he even went back to the circle at the end of the game before returning to the warderns

I think having Vengence inside of him totally to blame. It has changed him.

[slumlord722]

DinoSteve wrote...

I want to know how Anders got to this point, in awakening he just wanted to be free he disagreed with the chantry but he was never so extreme he even went back to the circle at the end of the game before returning to the warderns

He got to this point by being willingly possessed by a demon...


*Edit*

Although I must add, it isn't just Vengeance. Anders accepted Vengeance willingly. We can't forget that.

Modifié par slumlord722, 07 mars 2011 - 08:05 .

[Bigdoser]

He accepted justice willingly but because of anders emotional state and him seeking freedom justice transformed into vengeance.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 07 mars 2011 - 08:08 .

[Impairing]

Well, Justice wasn't a demon initially. The spirit became corrupt, thus becoming Vengeance. So to flat out say that he was willing to be possessed by a demon wouldn't be entirely true.

[Ryzaki]

eh it was inevitable. The mages were getting more and more agitated. The Templars more and more restrictive. Could've been worse.

[Trophonius]

Oh yeah, let's not forget how the templars turned his boyfriend into a tranquil to lure him in their trap. Yeah....I can't imagine someone just brushing that aside now, can they?

[Bigdoser]

Ryzaki wrote...

eh it was inevitable. The mages were getting more and more agitated. The Templars more and more restrictive. Could've been worse.

Same honestly I hope that if you get full rival with anders someone else will blow up the chantry. I can't wait to play the game gotta wait until friday.

[Calla S]

Trophonius wrote...
Oh yeah, let's not forget how the templars turned his boyfriend into a tranquil to lure him in their trap. Yeah....I can't imagine someone just brushing that aside now, can they?

I know if someone killed my girlfriend, I'd murder dozens of innocents and start a revolution. I mean, really, who wouldn't?

Now, where's that damn sarcasm intent icon...

[Fisthir]

Bigdoser wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

eh it was inevitable. The mages were getting more and more agitated. The Templars more and more restrictive. Could've been worse.

Same honestly I hope that if you get full rival with anders someone else will blow up the chantry. I can't wait to play the game gotta wait until friday.

You guys are all lucky. The stores that sell games in my city said they won't be getting DA II for at least 2 weeks after released. And I can't pre-order or ship for personal reasons. So yeah.

[Trophonius]

Calla S wrote...

Trophonius wrote...
Oh yeah, let's not forget how the templars turned his boyfriend into a tranquil to lure him in their trap. Yeah....I can't imagine someone just brushing that aside now, can they?

I know if someone killed my girlfriend, I'd murder dozens of innocents and start a revolution. I mean, really, who wouldn't?

Now, where's that damn sarcasm intent icon...

Not a reason to start a revolution, no. But a one of many catalysts? Yes.

[Bigdoser]

As trophonius said calla his boyfriend is just 1 of many catalysts that pushed him over the edge.

[Ryzaki]

Calla S wrote...

Trophonius wrote...
Oh yeah, let's not forget how the templars turned his boyfriend into a tranquil to lure him in their trap. Yeah....I can't imagine someone just brushing that aside now, can they?

I know if someone killed my girlfriend, I'd murder dozens of innocents and start a revolution. I mean, really, who wouldn't?

Now, where's that damn sarcasm intent icon...

Yep because ripping you from your parents when you were just a child, telling your parents to abandon you or else, imprisoning you and treating you like a dangerous animal, dragging you back whenever you tried to escape, and then nearly killing you, turning your friends and lovers into mindless husks, yeah

That's no reason at all to think the organization should be torn down. No reason at all. 

We really do need a sarcasm intent icon. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mars 2011 - 08:25 .

[The Big Nothing]

Anders' actions may seem self-defeating, but in reality, he is demonstrating how desperate the mages are for change. No one, not even children, should be allowed to ignore the treatment of those born with the ability to use magic.
If every mage comes together and refuses to be silenced, then something must be done.

Modifié par The Big Nothing, 07 mars 2011 - 08:28 .

[Impairing]

Calla S wrote...

I know if someone killed my girlfriend, I'd murder dozens of innocents and start a revolution. I mean, really, who wouldn't?

Now, where's that damn sarcasm intent icon...

While I'm pretty much keeping neutral ground until I experience the situation for myself on the overall subject, I feel the need to point out all the other factors. I'm not saying what he did was right or that I support, just that I can see why he did it.

There are people in the world that aren't stable that will kill themsleves or someone else if their significant other breaks up with them. Him starting a revolution seems more 'justifiable' if you mesh into his POV. But he is unstable! He's like a ticking timebomb. From what little we've been exposed to, he can't control Vengence. Once he feels a heavy surge of emotion, that's it - the spirit takes over. And this is piled on top of his experience back with the wardens and templars and the circle - all of this bad. Seeing Karl as a tranquil could very well be the crack to break the dam.

[Ex-Paladin]

Wissenschaft wrote...

Well, there is that middle option that says more or less I don't choose either side

Haven't heard of anyone picking it yet.

I know I'll be picking that option with my lady mage (who knows mages are dangerous and should be watched over in case of abominationing, but really doesn't like how tight the Templars are keeping them on such tight leashes). She doesn't want to get involved...though her brother is with the templars aargh...

[Bigdoser]

Well from reading all the spoilers you can't be neutral you have to pick a side.

[Cat Fancy]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Anders actions may seem self-defeating, but in reality, he is demonstrating how desperate the mages are for change. No one, not even children, should be allowed to ignore the treatment of those born with the ability to use magic.
If every mage comes together and refuses to be silenced, then something must be done.

Because they are? I mean, yeah, terrorism does tend to send the message that you want some change, but only very rarely does it cause positive change in the long term. When minorities begin to fight for their rights, they gain the most popular support when they demonstrate their oppressors are total dicks and that they themselves are rather powerless. That's a bit of a tough sell for mages, and Anders won't have helped. No doubt mages get a bum rap in this universe, but all Anders has done is given people a very good reason to want them tranquilized or killed. It doesn't matter whether or not he was right (although he wasn't), he isn't being practical.

Also, I have seen with mine own eyes that your surviving sibling can join with you in the final battle, at least if they're a grey warden. What? Madness.