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[LilyasAvalon]

arsonic wrote...

I think the logic is that demons actively seek mages, because upon possessing them, they would have their powers. The link to the Fade that the mages have is also possibly a factor: this link is good for more info: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Abomination

The Templars and the Lyrium thing is an interesting point, too. We know from DA: O that it's addictive, and supposedly enhances anti-magic powers, although Alistair seemed to think that was a lie and just an excuse to get Templars addicted to lyrium and under Chantry rule. Can high lyrium use create a greater affinity for the Fade in a normal templar and attract demons? Maybe. It's certainly an interesting thought, the Chantry almost becoming what they are supposed to fight.

Also, David Gaider has said that the "tracking with phylactery" business is a form of blood magic, and the lyrium codex entry from DA:O says lyrium is used for "tracking and fighting maleficarum". Is there something going on there? Are Circle mages casting the tracking spells for them (I assume it's a spell), otherwise, what exactly does a templar do to divine someone's location from their blood?

So it's okay to use blood magic yourself, even hire blood mages, but others can't?

Me thinks the Templars should practice what they preach.

[Rinji the Bearded]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

arsonic wrote...

I think the logic is that demons actively seek mages, because upon possessing them, they would have their powers. The link to the Fade that the mages have is also possibly a factor: this link is good for more info: dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Abomination

The Templars and the Lyrium thing is an interesting point, too. We know from DA: O that it's addictive, and supposedly enhances anti-magic powers, although Alistair seemed to think that was a lie and just an excuse to get Templars addicted to lyrium and under Chantry rule. Can high lyrium use create a greater affinity for the Fade in a normal templar and attract demons? Maybe. It's certainly an interesting thought, the Chantry almost becoming what they are supposed to fight.

Also, David Gaider has said that the "tracking with phylactery" business is a form of blood magic, and the lyrium codex entry from DA:O says lyrium is used for "tracking and fighting maleficarum". Is there something going on there? Are Circle mages casting the tracking spells for them (I assume it's a spell), otherwise, what exactly does a templar do to divine someone's location from their blood?

So it's okay to use blood magic yourself, even hire blood mages, but others can't?

Me thinks the Templars should practice what they preach.

Or the Chantry, really.  To quote the chant of light:

Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him.
Foul and corrupt are they
Who have taken His gift
And turned it against His children.
They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones.
They shall find no rest in this world
Or beyond.
-Transfigurations 1:2


"Never rule over him."  How does one justify the use of magic (the phylacteries) to rule over the Mages? Or even the use of lyrium to enslave the Templars?

[ankuu]

I think i will personally let Anders go. It would break my heart to kill him (see? this happens when you bring back old characters i loved, Bioware!) but I can't accept him next to me...

I will try to be a nice Lady Hawke who wants to prove mages aren't that bad and he blows the ****ing chantry up into the air...that doesn't help.

Modifié par ankuu, 07 mars 2011 - 04:40 .

[eSqr]

I really hope that there is option to help him blowing up Chantry

[Rinji the Bearded]

ankuu wrote...

I think i will personally let Anders go. It would break my heart to kill him (see? this happens when you bring back old characters i loved, Bioware!) but I can't accept him next to me...

I'm beginning to see a point where Hawke is, in the end, the catalyst for all this to happen.  My Warrior or Rogue Hawke may think differently, but my Mage Hawke may see that he/she AND Anders have started this mess.  It's inevitable now.  Time to see it through, either way.  May have to force Anders to finish what he started, too.   I think that in itself would be justice.

[LilyasAvalon]

I don't turn my backs on my friends, regardless of what they do, I probably will never be able to kill him. Sebastian better not be pissed when i just let him go.

[Annarl]

Nimrodell wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

David said the reason why they go for mages is cause they can use the mages powers to full effect. A normal person will just have the demons abilities. A mage turning into an abomination rarely happens from what I gather the chantry keeps a leash on mages because they are too powerful imo and they can use them in exalted marches if they need to. They also use tranquils for trade and being a tranquil must not be nice after watching anders boyfriend. Cause being a tranquil is not what he expected it to be.

Yes, and it is shown in DA:O if you play warrior or a rogue - Uldred clearly states that your raw potential strengthened with a demon behind it would  be unstoppable - meaning, anyone can be possesed. And as we seen on the third floor of Cricle Tower, even tranquils can be changed into shades and shade is a demonic form in real world as stated in Codex.

Okay I remember that now.  Maybe I should run through DA:O again just to refresh things in my mind.  It's been awhile since I played.:happy:

Thanks for all the explanations. 

[Annarl]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I don't turn my backs on my friends, regardless of what they do, I probably will never be able to kill him. Sebastian better not be pissed when i just let him go.

I believe people have said he leaves.  He was close to the Grand Cleric. I think 

[LilyasAvalon]

omearaee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I don't turn my backs on my friends, regardless of what they do, I probably will never be able to kill him. Sebastian better not be pissed when i just let him go.

I believe people have said he leaves.  He was close to the Grand Cleric. I think 

Isn't that just when you keep Anders in your party?

[arsonic]

With all the phylactery talk, I hope they go into how Anders escaped Ferelden and explain why they haven't tracked him down. After that mess in the short story Hepler posted, I'd imagine he surpassed Jowan as the most infamous apostate in Ferelden, and you never found his phylactery. You'd think they would have been falling over themselves to capture him, and while he could likely take out more squads of templars, it seems like it would have been hard for him to "lay low" in a clinic in Kirkwall. It probably has something to do with him having Vengeance in him, but I hope they go into more detail.

[The Elder King]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

omearaee wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

I don't turn my backs on my friends, regardless of what they do, I probably will never be able to kill him. Sebastian better not be pissed when i just let him go.

I believe people have said he leaves.  He was close to the Grand Cleric. I think 

Isn't that just when you keep Anders in your party?

It's confirmed that he leaves if you have Anders in the pary. We don't know what happens if you free Anders.

[Trophonius]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Or the Chantry, really.  To quote the chant of light:

Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him.
Foul and corrupt are they
Who have taken His gift
And turned it against His children.
They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones.
They shall find no rest in this world
Or beyond.
-Transfigurations 1:2


"Never rule over him."  How does one justify the use of magic (the phylacteries) to rule over the Mages? Or even the use of lyrium to enslave the Templars?

Yes, nevermind the fact that the Chantry condones use of blood/forbidden magic as long as it benefits them. Funny how Anders is suddenly the big bad in all of this.

[Vaelidor]

arsonic wrote...

With all the phylactery talk, I hope they go into how Anders escaped Ferelden and explain why they haven't tracked him down. After that mess in the short story Hepler posted, I'd imagine he surpassed Jowan as the most infamous apostate in Ferelden, and you never found his phylactery. You'd think they would have been falling over themselves to capture him, and while he could likely take out more squads of templars, it seems like it would have been hard for him to "lay low" in a clinic in Kirkwall. It probably has something to do with him having Vengeance in him, but I hope they go into more detail.

I was thinking the exact same thing actually. I was reading the comic book series (crap but it's Dragon Age) and they get into the talk of the phylacteries a bit as well.

[Bigdoser]

Trophonius wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Or the Chantry, really.  To quote the chant of light:

Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him.
Foul and corrupt are they
Who have taken His gift
And turned it against His children.
They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones.
They shall find no rest in this world
Or beyond.
-Transfigurations 1:2


"Never rule over him."  How does one justify the use of magic (the phylacteries) to rule over the Mages? Or even the use of lyrium to enslave the Templars?

Yes, nevermind the fact that the Chantry condones use of blood/forbidden magic as long as it benefits them. Funny how Anders is suddenly the big bad in all of this.

This just shows that there is no good or evil side.

[AndrahilAdrian]

I really want to help anders blow up those self righteous chantry prigs. Then Hawke and Anders lead a revolution to free the mages and destroy organized religion.

[eSqr]

AndrahilAdrian wrote...

I really want to help anders blow up those self righteous chantry prigs. Then Hawke and Anders lead a revolution to free the mages and destroy organized religion.

this Some of my future Hawke would love that

[arsonic]

Vaelidor wrote...

arsonic wrote...

With all the phylactery talk, I hope they go into how Anders escaped Ferelden and explain why they haven't tracked him down. After that mess in the short story Hepler posted, I'd imagine he surpassed Jowan as the most infamous apostate in Ferelden, and you never found his phylactery. You'd think they would have been falling over themselves to capture him, and while he could likely take out more squads of templars, it seems like it would have been hard for him to "lay low" in a clinic in Kirkwall. It probably has something to do with him having Vengeance in him, but I hope they go into more detail.

I was thinking the exact same thing actually. I was reading the comic book series (crap but it's Dragon Age) and they get into the talk of the phylacteries a bit as well.

Do they ever say how the phylacteries work in it? Like, is an actual spell casted, or, I dunno, special Templar mabari bloodhounds are loosed? I'd just be interested in specifics, Gaider just said "yeah, it's a form of blood magic" but I don't believe he ever went into any detail.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Bigdoser wrote...

Trophonius wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

Or the Chantry, really.  To quote the chant of light:

Magic exists to serve man, and never to rule over him.
Foul and corrupt are they
Who have taken His gift
And turned it against His children.
They shall be named Maleficar, accursed ones.
They shall find no rest in this world
Or beyond.
-Transfigurations 1:2


"Never rule over him."  How does one justify the use of magic (the phylacteries) to rule over the Mages? Or even the use of lyrium to enslave the Templars?

Yes, nevermind the fact that the Chantry condones use of blood/forbidden magic as long as it benefits them. Funny how Anders is suddenly the big bad in all of this.

This just shows that there is no good or evil side.

There isn't.  Anders painted that so well.  I think he's the grey area of the two darker grey areas, really.  No, what he did essentially was wrong by most moral standards.  But it's hard to condemn him, at least for me, when there's sin all around ... people killing or wronging others out of vengeance, people who would persecute the innocent for their own gains.  And not all of them are mages.  Punish him as you see fit, however.

They all have blood on their hands. Innocent lives have been lost for hundreds of years, and most of them have been dismissed.  That scene was such a shocking eye-opener for me.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 07 mars 2011 - 05:14 .

[Tleining]

"Phylacteries, ironically, are a form of blood magic. When a Templar wishes to track down a fugitive mage they will use the phylactery as a way of homing in on the fugitive by way of a "hot and cold" situation ie. the phylactery glows and the glow grows more intense the closer the Templar gets to the mage they are tracking."
from the DA-Wikia.

[Rinji the Bearded]

ninja'd.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 07 mars 2011 - 05:11 .

[The Elder King]

RinjiRenee wrote...


There isn't.  Anders painted that so well.  I think he's the grey area of the two darker grey areas, really.  No, what he did essentially was wrong by most moral standards.  But it's hard to condemn him, at least for me, when there's sin all around ... people killing or wronging others out of vengeance, people who would persecute the innocent for their own gains.  And not all of them are mages.

They all have blood on their hands.  That scene was such a shocking eye-opener for me.

I agree. Every faction in the game is represented in a grey color. Even the Chantry doesn't escape from this (the sister who cospires to show the qunari as a monster).

[Vaelidor]

arsonic wrote...

Do they ever say how the phylacteries work in it? Like, is an actual spell casted, or, I dunno, special Templar mabari bloodhounds are loosed? I'd just be interested in specifics, Gaider just said "yeah, it's a form of blood magic" but I don't believe he ever went into any detail.

Not really, no. Just that the templars were always one step of the mages due to the phylacteries. The mages literally exit the deep roads and there were templars there.

[Zabaniya]

Yo dawg, I heard you like templars, so we put a templar next to your templar so he can guard your other templars. xzibitface.jpg

That's basically what the Chantry needs. Templars to guard their templars to guard the mages.

[arsonic]

Tleining wrote...

"Phylacteries, ironically, are a form of blood magic. When a Templar wishes to track down a fugitive mage they will use the phylactery as a way of homing in on the fugitive by way of a "hot and cold" situation ie. the phylactery glows and the glow grows more intense the closer the Templar gets to the mage they are tracking."
from the DA-Wikia.

Thanks, that sheds a bit more light on it. It must be some sort of spell, I just wonder who they have casting it. (Unless everyone in Thedas has glowy blood). And still, surely they could have tracked Anders with one under normal circumstances. It'll be interesting to see.

[TheCreeper]

Normally I would support a person who was fighting for freedom like anders but Anders freaking commited an act of terrorism, and it wasn't even against the templars.