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[catabuca]

PureSlayer wrote...

not all bi. I have never done a homosexual male RPG character and never will, probably because I'm heterosexual guy...who doesn't deny lesbians.. 

Edit: What if they want to BE BI BEES? 

Just because you haven't and will never play as a homosexual guy doesn't mean there shouldn't be all bi options. It doesn't somehow force you to choose to romance them in game, any more than I'm forced to roll a fHawke and romance Merrill or Isabela. It doesn't take any choice away from you as a heterosexual gamer, it merely adds choice for others. Just sayin'

Modifié par catabuca, 28 février 2011 - 01:54 .

[Aradace]

Maclimes wrote...

Aradace wrote...

I agree with the back and fort statement.  Both sides are rooted in their opinions on the topic.  It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth though and makes the whole thing seem nothing more than fanservice doing things this way. 
*shrugs* Oh well, seems like, for me, the only LI Garret is going to have at any point is combat lol.

I'm kind of confused. Let's assume for a second you had intended to hook up with, say, Merrill. If you found out that it was possible for a woman to have seduced her too, you would lose interest? Just because on a different playthrough, with a different gender, you could have similar results?

Are you worried they're all going to be all Zevran/Isabella ****-tastic? I mean, Leliana was bi, too, and she never "flaunted" it. She was an option for either gender, but as a female Warden, it took a little more convincing. Her availability to potential female wardens did not stop my male warden from falling for her.

I'm not trying to rag on you, I'm just genuinely curious about the thought process here.

I never romanced Leliana, simply because she was Bi.  The fact that her preachy personality annoyed me to high hell just made it all the easier to avoid her.  To try and answer the original question, it's more of a subconcious "metagaming" mentality.  Had it not been let known that the LIs were going to all be bi, Id have been blissfully ignorant of it until I played the game.  To which then, I'd have inevitably come to figure it out anyway when I went to try and talk to said male party member and all of a sudden see a "heart" option pop up on my dialog wheel.  Which would have flagged it for me anyway at that point that this party member is bi.  To which then I would, as you put it, lose interest, even on a friendly level with that character.

Modifié par Aradace, 28 février 2011 - 01:57 .

[Maclimes]

Aradace wrote...
I never romanced Leliana, simply because she was Bi.  The fact that her preachy personality annoyed me to high hell just made it all the easier to avoid her.  To try and answer the original question, it's more of a subconcious "metagaming" mentality.  Had it not been let known that the LIs were going to all be bi, Id have been blissfully ignorant of it until I played the game.  To which then, I'd have inevitably come to figure it out anyway when I went to try and talk to said male party member and all of a sudden see a "heart" option pop up on my dialog wheel.  Which would have flagged it for me anyway at that point that this party member is bi.  To which then I would, as you put it, lose interest, even on a friendly level with that character.

Ah well. To each his own. Thanks for the straight answer. No pun intended.

[DrIggy]

I doubt they'll all be bisexual. I don't really mind one way or another, but as far as I've read (somewhere on these forums, I think) the bisexual one is Isabella and possibly Fenris. I'm much more interested if this game will have a viable love triangle, a la Jade Empire?

[Ahillamon]

Aradace wrote...

Maclimes wrote...

Aradace wrote...

I agree with the back and fort statement.  Both sides are rooted in their opinions on the topic.  It still leaves a bad taste in my mouth though and makes the whole thing seem nothing more than fanservice doing things this way. 
*shrugs* Oh well, seems like, for me, the only LI Garret is going to have at any point is combat lol.

I'm kind of confused. Let's assume for a second you had intended to hook up with, say, Merrill. If you found out that it was possible for a woman to have seduced her too, you would lose interest? Just because on a different playthrough, with a different gender, you could have similar results?

Are you worried they're all going to be all Zevran/Isabella ****-tastic? I mean, Leliana was bi, too, and she never "flaunted" it. She was an option for either gender, but as a female Warden, it took a little more convincing. Her availability to potential female wardens did not stop my male warden from falling for her.

I'm not trying to rag on you, I'm just genuinely curious about the thought process here.

I never romanced Leliana, simply because she was Bi.  The fact that her preachy personality annoyed me to high hell just made it all the easier to avoid her.  To try and answer the original question, it's more of a subconcious "metagaming" mentality.  Had it not been let known that the LIs were going to all be bi, Id have been blissfully ignorant of it until I played the game.  To which then, I'd have inevitably come to figure it out anyway when I went to try and talk to said male party member and all of a sudden see a "heart" option pop up on my dialog wheel.  Which would have flagged it for me anyway at that point that this party member is bi.  To which then I would, as you put it, lose interest, even on a friendly level with that character.

I'm sorry, I don't think I quite understand your sentiment here. Are you saying that, should you meet someone in RL who you kinda liked (even just on a friendly level), the moment anything hinted to you that they might not be completely straight, you would immediately lose all interest in them as a person? Honestly?

Modifié par Ahillamon, 28 février 2011 - 02:02 .

[catabuca]

Well Aradace, thank goodness for the rest of us that the writers don't cater for your discomfort and are more open minded. If the mere knowledge that another gamer on another continent is able to initiate a same-sex romance with one of the characters is that off-putting to you, well I actually think that's really sad. Sad for you, that is. You're missing out on game content because of the existence of other content you need never see if you choose not to.

The rest of us, well the rest of us can just carry on enjoying the game

[Kilshrek]

Aradace wrote...


I never romanced Leliana, simply because she was Bi.  The fact that her preachy personality annoyed me to high hell just made it all the easier to avoid her.  To try and answer the original question, it's more of a subconcious "metagaming" mentality.  Had it not been let known that the LIs were going to all be bi, Id have been blissfully ignorant of it until I played the game.  To which then, I'd have inevitably come to figure it out anyway when I went to try and talk to said male party member and all of a sudden see a "heart" option pop up on my dialog wheel.  Which would have flagged it for me anyway at that point that this party member is bi.  To which then I would, as you put it, lose interest, even on a friendly level with that character.

And then if the rumours were true and you can flirt with anything on two legs (which does lead to the heart icon I believe) would you then just play the game with only Hawke and sibling? Purely hypothetical, of course.

[HolyAvenger]

Nope they ain't all bi. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[Sylvianus]

Just because you haven't and will never play as a homosexual guy doesn't mean there shouldn't be all bi options. It doesn't somehow force you to choose to romance them in game, any more than I'm forced to roll a fHawke and romance Merrill or Isabela. It doesn't take any choice away from you as a heterosexual gamer, it merely adds choice for others. Just sayin'

So the fanservice.

Exactly. What you describe. It makes everyone bi to simplify life, it has nothing to do with rp. There is no longer any logic in history. This is done to please the players. Only for this.

Why is it so difficult to accept ?

Whether you are for, it doesnt bother me. Everyone's opinion, you have the right to wish that route, as I have the right not to like.

What bothers me is the hypocrisy, you try to find vain justifications in the story about Anders. Why dredge it my female character, not the male? Exactly the same thing though. Anders has been conceived as a straight, no doubt.

Anders was made bi in da2, not because he was thought of as such in writing, Anders is bi because it responds to business logic or good marks for some people. Frankly the debate would be over if we tried not every time to justify the unjustifiable.  There's just a logic of fanservice and economy.

Why not just simply the truth, just the truth ?

Modifié par Sylvianus, 28 février 2011 - 02:06 .

[Weltenschlange]

I wish they all were bi, but alas my black cynic heart will not allow me to believe that.



THEY ARE NOT ALL BI

[Duncan Anderson]

Man I wasted time reading Aradace's arguments thinking s/he had a an actuly point I was missing, only to get to the last one and realise 'oh s/he just a homophobic dick, now it makes sense.'

[catabuca]

@Sylvi -- I care not one jot why they make their decisions about who will be bi or not in the game. I only care that there are bi characters in the game. My discussion about finding reasoning about why it could be written convincingly was to point out that it could be written convincingly.

It doesn't matter how many times you repeat 'Anders was 100% straight in Awakening', the experiences of actual honest to goodness real life bisexual people on this thread and others who tell you it is not uncommon for people to only talk about one gender or the other at certain times in their lives proves his sexuality is not as cut and dry as you might like.

[elirian_19]

Aradace wrote...

I never romanced Leliana, simply because she was Bi.  The fact that her preachy personality annoyed me to high hell just made it all the easier to avoid her.  To try and answer the original question, it's more of a subconcious "metagaming" mentality.  Had it not been let known that the LIs were going to all be bi, Id have been blissfully ignorant of it until I played the game.  To which then, I'd have inevitably come to figure it out anyway when I went to try and talk to said male party member and all of a sudden see a "heart" option pop up on my dialog wheel.  Which would have flagged it for me anyway at that point that this party member is bi.  To which then I would, as you put it, lose interest, even on a friendly level with that character.

Wow.

[Aradace]

Kilshrek wrote...

Aradace wrote...


I never romanced Leliana, simply because she was Bi.  The fact that her preachy personality annoyed me to high hell just made it all the easier to avoid her.  To try and answer the original question, it's more of a subconcious "metagaming" mentality.  Had it not been let known that the LIs were going to all be bi, Id have been blissfully ignorant of it until I played the game.  To which then, I'd have inevitably come to figure it out anyway when I went to try and talk to said male party member and all of a sudden see a "heart" option pop up on my dialog wheel.  Which would have flagged it for me anyway at that point that this party member is bi.  To which then I would, as you put it, lose interest, even on a friendly level with that character.

And then if the rumours were true and you can flirt with anything on two legs (which does lead to the heart icon I believe) would you then just play the game with only Hawke and sibling? Purely hypothetical, of course.

By "avoiding" interaction, I mean not engaging in conversation with them.  Yes, I did use Leliana as my rogue in my party set up most of the time, especially when my warden himself was not a rogue.  But to  answer the questions since it is seemingly more and more like the truth and more than just rumor at this point; The only purpose any of the party members will likely have for me, is simply filling a "needed" party slot.  If Im not a rogue, then ill have a rogue for opening chests when needed with little to no interaction with that character for any reason beyond that "function".

Of course, they're going to have lines of dialog I "have" to respond to story wise or what not.  But as far as "optional" interactions with the characters go, that's going to be a big no-go for me.  Hence why Garret is going to remain single on all my playthroughs lol.

[Aradace]

Duncan Anderson wrote...

Man I wasted time reading Aradace's arguments thinking s/he had a an actuly point I was missing, only to get to the last one and realise 'oh s/he just a homophobic dick, now it makes sense.'

Ive never hidden that fact.  Dont get me wrong, Im glad you guys are getting this option.  Hell, Im even turning it into a positive on my end lol.  And that positive has been stated more than once in my previous posts.  Ive never tried to hide, or deny, the flaws in my personality.  We all have flaws.  The difference between myself and most people is that a.) I embrace my flaws and dont try to hide them.

b.) I dont hold the pacifist belief that everyone in the world should "get along and hold hands while singing kumbah-yah". 

I feel the same way about having gay/bi characters shoved in my face the same way you guys feel about constantly having "strait" characters shoved in your face.  It's two sides of the same coin when you think about it.

[Elenaxrose]

They're all bi! Let the love flow.

[catabuca]

Elenaxrose wrote...

They're all bi! Let the love flow.

This.

*climbs on unicorn and rides across rainbow*

[Neezoy]

After careful consideration (and the promise of DOUBLE RAINBOWS) I've now changed my mind. I want to be an optimist:

They're all bi. Yes they are.

[The Lesser Evil]

It was an inner struggle between wishful thinking (YES) and realism (NO) for me. The realist won out, sorry.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

Yeah, only Isabela is Bi.

[KenKenpachi]

Ehh I highly doubt it, most likely two or three of the four will be bi at "worse" one. Just as in DA:O with its 2-2 split. Keeps everyone happy but the over sexualized of us here.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 28 février 2011 - 02:41 .

[Maelora]

Aradace wrote...
I feel the same way about having gay/bi characters shoved in my face the same way you guys feel about constantly having "strait" characters shoved in your face.  It's two sides of the same coin when you think about it.

NO IT'S NOT!

99.999% of the time I get FORCED to play a straight character.  Hell, most of the time, I don't even get to be my own gender. (Though that doesn't matter if the game is good enough, like Planescape: Torment or Alpha Protocol).

If you're a straight male, you get LOADS of choices, so don't you dare suggest it's the same.

Try thinking about what it's like for someone who is a minority of a minority, like lesbian gamers.

[Wynne]

Crocodiles wrote...

Spoiler
 http://hos.samods.or...28042340051.jpg

O_O

It's... no. No! It's obviously a low res screenshot photoshopped. It's a DAO mod that none of us have ever seen before... with Isabela's underwear photoshopped on with a model made to copy Isabela's underwear in the video exactly--and a perfect recreation of the concept art's elf outfit... and another font... and an improved DAO hairstyle that I haven't seen before in the mods I've used... and... lighting that makes Merrill's face dark and ankles light NO, no, fake lighting because it's a very, very, very, almost insanely good fake that is way beyond my talents even though I'm pretty good at this sort of thing... and background objects and textures that were painstakingly created to match the DA2 style and a screenshot angle of Merrill that I... haven't seen before and... and the fact that she's looking down in the M!Hawke photo but here she's looking straight forward without the red bruised efect and her eyebrows are different... and... doesn't mean... anything... so....

And the article in PC Gamer that said if you meet someone, chances are... male or female... you can...

OoO

OH MY GOD IT'S REAL I CAVE! I CAVE! 

And if it wasn't real there'd be no shame in thinking otherwise, considering the evidence we now have! If it's not too late, Ish, put me down for bi.

Modifié par Wynne, 28 février 2011 - 02:43 .

[Elsariel]

I do not play homosexual PC's, but I'm all for allowing all LI's to be bi for those that do enjoy it.

That being said... I just don't think it's gonna happen.

[Neezoy]

Maelora wrote...

Try thinking about what it's like for someone who is a minority of a minority, like lesbian gamers.

WORD!