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catabuca wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

I think it would be funny if Anders was straight but Justice/Vengeance was gay

It actually wouldn't.

"Oh hey Anders. So you're actually into guys because you're possessed by a demon? Well, that doesn't have unfortunate connotations at all. Nope."

I think it'd be the funniest would be if Anders turned out to be gay all along, and Vengeance was teh straight one 

(Though I think Vengeance won't play a major part in romances at all.)

Would be interesting if there was a strictly gay LI. That would be relatively novel, but I don't expect it. (I can't find the screenshots but I think they are all at least straight.) Also fitting and cool if Fenris were asexual.

I vote no, they're all not bisexual. Realistically,I think most likely Isabela and Fenris will be bi.

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

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I disagree, Within that 1-2 hours we learned Anders life history of his in and out's of the tower, thoughts on controversial Dragon age issues and got a good grasp of who he was. 

I'm not sure what you pulled from it, but the only thing I learned in Awakenings about Anders is that he desired freedom, disliked the Chantry, loved cats, and was more interested in self preservation than anything in the world.

We had no deep insight. No history except "I hate circle and I escape lots!". At least, no DEEPER, PERSONAL history. He was very shallow, compared to the other DA:O & Awakenings characters.

He has a lovely personality, but we really don't know much about him. Heck. Even Justice didn't seem to know much about him. Because for all that sweetness and balance of character we SEEMED to think we knew in Awakenings, his scars and darker personality that had all but been hidden perverted Justice's character into Vengeance.


Anders is not who people thought he was in Awakenings. To me, it was a cover. Vengeance seems to prove this.

Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

[Ryzaki]

Neezoy wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Though O_o That picture with the improved lighting really does look real.  Oh god I can hear ishmael's gloating now. 

Yeah, that picture is confusing. On one hand it does look very real with the new setting and the new outfits and all, but then again I can't get over the fact that Merrill's head doesn't match the rest of her body in colour, and when you zoom in on it there seems to be some pixelly lines here and there that might indicate photoshopping, but then again it might just be lighting effects/clipping/whatever in the game...

However, I don't need it to convince me THEY ARE ALL BI. I think that there's enough tingly hints for that anyway.:happy:


EDIT: And if it should happen it IS real then I love how Merrill's underwear look

 

It confuses and upsets me.  It's...fake? Real? DAMNIT!  And BW is well renowed for their clipping. <_< Even ME2 has a decent amount of it. Yeah that's what bothers me Merrill's head color. Gah. I'll be pessimistic just to be safe. 

[IndelibleJester]

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Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

Which is why he is back for DA2, for more character exploration.

[Trophonius]

Anders as a bisexual man being unrealistic is a matter of interpretation. Personally, he always gave me the idea that he could swing both ways. Although Ferelden/Circle might be more accepting of homosexuality, perhaps he didn't realize until now that he was truly attracted to men. There are bi/gay people that have always been that way, but hadn't realized it until later in life.

[Belinze]

Put me down for not all bi

[Elsariel]

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

My Avatar is Batman wrote...
I disagree, Within that 1-2 hours we learned Anders life history of his in and out's of the tower, thoughts on controversial Dragon age issues and got a good grasp of who he was. 

I'm not sure what you pulled from it, but the only thing I learned in Awakenings about Anders is that he desired freedom, disliked the Chantry, loved cats, and was more interested in self preservation than anything in the world.

We had no deep insight. No history except "I hate circle and I escape lots!". At least, no DEEPER, PERSONAL history. He was very shallow, compared to the other DA:O & Awakenings characters.

He has a lovely personality, but we really don't know much about him. Heck. Even Justice didn't seem to know much about him. Because for all that sweetness and balance of character we SEEMED to think we knew in Awakenings, his scars and darker personality that had all but been hidden perverted Justice's character into Vengeance.


Anders is not who people thought he was in Awakenings. To me, it was a cover. Vengeance seems to prove this.

Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

I really hope you're wrong.  Really really.  I want Anders to have deep complexity just like the other characters. Otherwise, I'll feel like my romance with him is very shallow.

[Haasth]

Elsariel wrote...

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

My Avatar is Batman wrote...
I disagree, Within that 1-2 hours we learned Anders life history of his in and out's of the tower, thoughts on controversial Dragon age issues and got a good grasp of who he was. 

I'm not sure what you pulled from it, but the only thing I learned in Awakenings about Anders is that he desired freedom, disliked the Chantry, loved cats, and was more interested in self preservation than anything in the world.

We had no deep insight. No history except "I hate circle and I escape lots!". At least, no DEEPER, PERSONAL history. He was very shallow, compared to the other DA:O & Awakenings characters.

He has a lovely personality, but we really don't know much about him. Heck. Even Justice didn't seem to know much about him. Because for all that sweetness and balance of character we SEEMED to think we knew in Awakenings, his scars and darker personality that had all but been hidden perverted Justice's character into Vengeance.


Anders is not who people thought he was in Awakenings. To me, it was a cover. Vengeance seems to prove this.

Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

I really hope you're wrong.  Really really.  I want Anders to have deep complexity just like the other characters. Otherwise, I'll feel like my romance with him is very shallow.

I'm sure they'll go quite a bit more into detail with Anders. Especially with the Justice/Vengeance deal that is going on with him now. He'll show quite a few different faces than he has before in Awakening I'm sure. 

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IndelibleJester wrote...

My Avatar is Batman wrote...

Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

Which is why he is back for DA2, for more character exploration.

Which will be the justice/vengance thing and his Previously Mentioned problem with chantry. Nothing that goes against what he originally Belieievd. Or that Contrast it. He is still the same Character, Just with an mad spirit inside him.

[Dante Angelo]

Elsariel wrote...

I really hope you're wrong.  Really really.  I want Anders to have deep complexity just like the other characters. Otherwise, I'll feel like my romance with him is very shallow.

Turns out Anders is going to be like dog and Zaeed mixed into one when it comes to complexity

[C-Gamer90]

 I need pics off all LIs with there same sex Hawke, otherwise they are not all bi. It's not that I don't want them all to be bi, but that would just be TO good of news to believe, so pessimism it is.

[HolyJellyfish]

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Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

Yes but WHO is he? What was he before he was taken to the circle? Did he have friends? Horrible events in the Circle? Why was he at Vigil's keep? Why such disdain for the circle? These questions are never outlined. Anders is very shallow in Awakenings, so much so that everyone on BSN was shocked and horrified to read Hepler's story when it came out about Anders & Justice.

I doubt his dislike of the Chantry is enough to fuel and pervert the complete corruption of a Spirit into a Demon. Wynne doesn't much like the Chantry either, and detests Morrigan.. She has a spirit within her. She did NOT black out and suddenly devour the witch.

We really don't know him. If we did, he probably wouldn't be a companion in DA2.

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Elsariel wrote...

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

My Avatar is Batman wrote...
I disagree, Within that 1-2 hours we learned Anders life history of his in and out's of the tower, thoughts on controversial Dragon age issues and got a good grasp of who he was. 

I'm not sure what you pulled from it, but the only thing I learned in Awakenings about Anders is that he desired freedom, disliked the Chantry, loved cats, and was more interested in self preservation than anything in the world.

We had no deep insight. No history except "I hate circle and I escape lots!". At least, no DEEPER, PERSONAL history. He was very shallow, compared to the other DA:O & Awakenings characters.

He has a lovely personality, but we really don't know much about him. Heck. Even Justice didn't seem to know much about him. Because for all that sweetness and balance of character we SEEMED to think we knew in Awakenings, his scars and darker personality that had all but been hidden perverted Justice's character into Vengeance.


Anders is not who people thought he was in Awakenings. To me, it was a cover. Vengeance seems to prove this.

Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

I really hope you're wrong.  Really really.  I want Anders to have deep complexity just like the other characters. Otherwise, I'll feel like my romance with him is very shallow.

His Complexity will come from his views on the Chantry, And the Vengance. I doubt Anders will be dull. But he will still Maintain the same personality he had is what i'm saying.

[Zweiburger]

I'm personally pessimistic on the matter, but you know what? Forget that. I want to believe! Put me down for all bi.

[leggywillow]

Are we still taking bets?  I will bet one bushel of Internet cookies that they are NOT all bi.  Because that would make me too happy.  I hope I'm wrong.

[IndelibleJester]

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IndelibleJester wrote...

My Avatar is Batman wrote...

Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

Which is why he is back for DA2, for more character exploration.

Which will be the justice/vengance thing and his Previously Mentioned problem with chantry. Nothing that goes against what he originally Belieievd. Or that Contrast it. He is still the same Character, Just with an mad spirit inside him.

And how do you know this?

[silver-crescent]

I'm confident they're all bi now. Sign me in.

[RunNeonTiger]

I think they're all going to be bi. I was against the notion earlier on, but now I really like the idea, and I think it's very plausible for each LI.

[catabuca]

I'd just like to mention we have confirmation from the editor of M! magazine who wrote the gameplay review in the latest issue that his mHawke flirted with Anders and Anders flirted back. (check out the m/m thread for details.) Doesn't mean he's romanceable, but he flirts back.

He also flirted with Fenris, but does not mention whether Fenris flirted back.

The only romance he actually pursued was fHawke/Isabela.

Now, good children, take that information AND RUN WITH IT.

[Finis Valorum]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

1) The cannablism line Hepler penned has been overexaggerated. It was only mentioned twice. It was placed for shock, but for the most part it should not define his character. Anders is much more interesting than that.

2) I wager Anders is very valuable to the story, since he's a companion who is an abomination and really reaches into the question of the Chantry vs Mages. His LI status sheds a lot of deeper, personal information on the subject and would tie in the PC even more into this emotional rollercoaster. From a story / character point of view, it would make a lot of sense and would be wonderfully fair of Anders was Bi-Optional.

3) Again. Sexuality is fluid if you want to assume Awakenings Anders is canon.

1) Perhaps, but I found it to be in rather poor taste for someone we are most likely obligated to take on as a companion, to me it doesn't make the character more cool or interesting just more repulsive. And while I hope it may indeed have been an exaggeration or something that only happens in the short story and isn't mentioned any further in game I fear that they have endeavoured to make it an integral part of his character and when it comes to Bioware's writers I'm more inclined to go with my fears rather than my hopes.

2&3) That may or may not be the case, none the less for some of us who have played through Awakenings having Anders suddenly become interested in expressing his bisexuality while being possessed by an evil demon cheapens the whole romance and carries with it some rather unfortunate subtext about m/m relationships in the DA universe for me. While I found Zevran to be fun and refreshing in many ways in DA:O magnifying what was in my opinion his worst flaw in the sequel wouldn't exactly help to endear Anders to me as more than a fling on the side.

[Ryzaki]

catabuca wrote...

I'd just like to mention we have confirmation from the editor of M! magazine who wrote the gameplay review in the latest issue that his mHawke flirted with Anders and Anders flirted back. (check out the m/m thread for details.) Doesn't mean he's romanceable, but he flirts back.

He also flirted with Fenris, but does not mention whether Fenris flirted back.

The only romance he actually pursued was fHawke/Isabela.

Now, good children, take that information AND RUN WITH IT.

Well Isabelais for f/f and Anders is for m/m just like the kiss files said. 

*walks off dejectedly* 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 février 2011 - 04:56 .

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HolyJellyfish wrote...

My Avatar is Batman wrote...

Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

1.Yes but WHO is he? What was he before he was taken to the circle? Did he have friends? Horrible events in the Circle? Why was he at Vigil's keep? Why such disdain for the circle? These questions are never outlined. Anders is very shallow in Awakenings, so much so that everyone on BSN was shocked and horrified to read Hepler's story when it came out about Anders & Justice.

I doubt his dislike of the Chantry is enough to fuel and pervert the complete corruption of a Spirit into a Demon.2.Wynne doesn't much like the Chantry either, and detests Morrigan.. She has a spirit within her. She did NOT black out and suddenly devour the witch.

We really don't know him. If we did, he probably wouldn't be a companion in DA2.

1.Ok i think i can Answer most of these actually.
He did not  have friends inside the tower other than the cat(which turns into a demon and eats some templars) , He was locked in solitutde after the first few trys at escape. He did seem to know a few people outside the tower though like the Rogue for his personal quest. He had Disdain for the circle due to it's willingness to abide by Templars and not thinking being trapped in a tower was any way to live. Before he was taken to the circle he was probaly a boy, Mages are caught early ussually. So most his life was spent in there. He was at Vigils keep because he was excaping from templars yet again. All of this abide by his Morales and personality of "templars bad, Freedom good"  

2.Diffrent types of Spirits, Wynne's was dedicated to healing things, Justice was dedicated to seeking out wrong in the world and bashing it's skull in. Anders always wanted templars brought down, he likley wanted Vengance for all those years he spent locked up and all the mages still locked up. 

[Dante Angelo]

catabuca wrote...

I'd just like to mention we have confirmation from the editor of M! magazine who wrote the gameplay review in the latest issue that his mHawke flirted with Anders and Anders flirted back. (check out the m/m thread for details.) Doesn't mean he's romanceable, but he flirts back.

He also flirted with Fenris, but does not mention whether Fenris flirted back.

The only romance he actually pursued was fHawke/Isabela.

Now, good children, take that information AND RUN WITH IT.

Wait so Anders flirted back that seems like something he would do even if he's not Bi also I think the reason he didn't mention how fenris responded might be because Fenris threatened him with death if said what went down

[catabuca]

Ryzaki wrote...

Well Isabelais for f/f and Anders is for m/m just like the kiss files said. 

*walks off dejectedly* 

And Fenris is bi just like the review said and Merrill is bi just like the screenshot said.

See!! It's so much fun to be a blind-faith believer. Embrace it, Ryz. Embrace the happy!

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IndelibleJester wrote...

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IndelibleJester wrote...

My Avatar is Batman wrote...

Anders talks plenty about Hating the chantry and templars,  how andraste would be Ashamed. 

In summary of his personality Anders is a Charming joking Fellow who hates templars and Enjoys Freedom so he can get a pretty girl on his arm. I don't think there's much more to him in dragon age 2. He simply will now have to battle a Spirit inside him and is going to have majior conflict with the chantry/mage war conflict. He never gave any hint at deeper complexity or underlined moral values, he just wants mages to be free. Thus why he Teams up with justice. 

Which is why he is back for DA2, for more character exploration.

Which will be the justice/vengance thing and his Previously Mentioned problem with chantry. Nothing that goes against what he originally Belieievd. Or that Contrast it. He is still the same Character, Just with an mad spirit inside him.

And how do you know this?

It's his Obvious plot point,
Like allistars family and Morrigans mom, It will obviously be a Majior part of his character.