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[Addai]

Filament wrote...

Would you hate it if they implemented it so that you only had one sibling, whose class would vary depending in yours, i.e. if yours is a mage then theirs is a warrior, but if yours is a warrior or rogue then theirs is a mage? Because I really wouldn't mind.

Actually I don't much like that, and there's certainly been enough complaint about it on the forum so I'm not alone.

[Ryzaki]

Nova-FoV wrote...

My money's on not all bi. Sorry folks. Hate to see hopes dashed.

Eh don't worry too much my hopes were dashed a while ago. 

If only I knew if a golden heart was for all flirt options or only for romance starters. If I knew that....

Well *sighs* I'll never know. Alas. 

[slimgrin]

Of course they aren't all bi. What are the odds of Hawke recruiting an all bi team? Bioware isn't going to do that.

Besides, who you can shag is only a small part of the game.

[hypothead]

I'm going with wishful thinking on this so I will say all bi.

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

Add me to Not All Bi

[Tranceptor]

All bi, they have to be cause.....cause.....well cause I said so-so there!

[halokitty]

Addai67 wrote...

So you have plastic characters who are molded to the player's whims and have no "real" offscreen identity at all?  We can't change their outfits, but we can change their identities?

I have to say, I'd hate that a lot.

Honestly, though, how is the path of romance you choose any different than any other choice that affects your companion's lives or shapes their personality?  You can harden Alistair and Leliana, but it doesn't diminish or negate the players who choose to leave them more innocent and idealistic.  Hardened or unhardened, which is real?  Which one is true?  In DA2, one of your siblings dies fleeing Lothering, and it changes depending on who or how you play.  Which is the canon reality?  Does knowing that your brother dies in one playthrough mean that Bethany's passing rings false and breaks the game's hold on your imagination?  Does that knowledge make it impossible to accept one's own experience knowing there are other variables?

My Warden has red hair and favors heavy armor and two weapons, she loves Leliana and made Alistair king, desite his protests.  My Shepard has black hair and wears black lipstick. She loves Liara and is a paragon of the strictest moral fiber. They are no more or less real than any other player's; their choices no more or less meaningful within the context of my game.  All I'm saying is that allowing for other options should never diminish the reality shaped by your Warden or Shepard or Hawke.

As for the idea that four bisexuals in the same party is somehow a stretch, keep in mind that in the world of Dragon Age, sexuality and sexual fluidity are not stigmatized.  The world we live in, the society that is structured around us necessities a much more cloistered approach to identity.  If people were free to be open and honest about who they are I guarantee you we would see a far greater percentage of homosexuals and bisexuals in our everyday existence.  Out of a group of ten to twelve people, four non-straight individuals would likely be far less remarkable. 

Modifié par halokitty, 01 mars 2011 - 04:01 .

[Auroreia]

^ Agreed. Also, just because the character has the possibility of being romanced by a Hawke of the same gender, doesn't mean their orientation would ever be brought up or mentioned if you chose not to broach the subject with that character.

Edit: Like junk viral DNA. Something you don't use unless you encounter the virus that activates the antibodies.

Modifié par Auroreia, 01 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[Erani]

I'll go with all bi.

[Wolfy2449]

ALL BI WOOF WOOF

[Voldecuri]

Before I would've said no, but with Anders and Fenris... they could both easily be bi.

And so on a hope, I'm gonna say all bi.

[Addai]

halokitty wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

So you have plastic characters who are molded to the player's whims and have no "real" offscreen identity at all?  We can't change their outfits, but we can change their identities?

I have to say, I'd hate that a lot.

Honestly, though, how is the path of romance you choose any different than any other choice that affects your companion's lives or shapes their personality?  You can harden Alistair and Leliana, but it doesn't diminish or negate the players who choose to leave them more innocent and idealistic.  Hardened or unhardened, which is real?  Which one is true?

Right, and ask me how I feel about the hardening mechanic.

As for the idea that four bisexuals in the same party is somehow a stretch, keep in mind that in the world of Dragon Age, sexuality and sexual fluidity are not stigmatized.

If there's no stigma, then just make them all overtly bisexual and Hawke becomes some sort of bi magnet.  That would be my preference, if they're going to do it.

Modifié par Addai67, 01 mars 2011 - 04:08 .

[Tehnazzy]

*just woke up* Good afternoon Ish, just thought you should know I've switch over to the Bi-side.

I'm starting to think everyone is indeed bi.

[Leiou]

I voted all bi.

[Addai]

Auroreia wrote...

^ Agreed. Also, just because the character has the possibility of being romanced by a Hawke of the same gender, doesn't mean their orientation would ever be brought up or mentioned if you chose not to broach the subject with that character.

Edit: Like junk viral DNA. Something you don't use unless you encounter the virus that activates the antibodies.

Okay, so we would have four characters who either lack basic self-awareness or are severely repressed, add to that a Mary Sue PC who can turn anyone gay or straight like a switch, and a shallow relationship where the subject of your partner's sexual fantasies and attractions would never come up.

Not seeing how this could be implemented in any other than a cheesy fanservice way.

Modifié par Addai67, 01 mars 2011 - 04:12 .

[Ryzaki]

It's not exactly inconceivable that the 4 LIs might be bisexual.

[Taleroth]

Addai67 wrote...

Auroreia wrote...

^ Agreed. Also, just because the character has the possibility of being romanced by a Hawke of the same gender, doesn't mean their orientation would ever be brought up or mentioned if you chose not to broach the subject with that character.

Edit: Like junk viral DNA. Something you don't use unless you encounter the virus that activates the antibodies.

Okay, so we would have four characters who either lack basic self-awareness or are severely repressed, add to that a Mary Sue PC who can turn anyone gay or straight like a switch, and a shallow relationship where the subject of your partner's sexual fantasies and attractions would never come up.

Not seeing how this could be implemented in any other than a cheesy fanservice way.

Is someone denying that the romances are largely fanservice?  This kind of reminds me of your previous "dating sim" comment.

You're just adorable.  But don't go near open flames.  They're dangerous to your kind.

Modifié par Taleroth, 01 mars 2011 - 04:16 .

[Ryzaki]

It's not like the PC isn't pretty damn mary sueish to start with.

I mean think about each and every BW PC and run a mary Sue lithmos test.

Chances are every single one will pass wth flying colors. Not barely, not by a smidge. Flying freaking colors.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 mars 2011 - 04:19 .

[Evindell]

I voted 'no' simply because I am a pessimist.

I would rejoice for all those wishing for an all Bi cast, and I wouldn't care if they were, as long as it's not shoved in my face. I have family, and many friends who are homosexual, but I, however, am not and do not play my characters as such. I've been hit on by another girl before (we are now good friends) and it made me feel extremely awkward, so I wouldn't want that in my gaming experience. 

Would it ruin anyone's experience if the Bi characters weren't openly Bi (like Zevran)?

[Arhea]

Addai67 wrote...

Auroreia wrote...

^ Agreed. Also, just because the character has the possibility of being romanced by a Hawke of the same gender, doesn't mean their orientation would ever be brought up or mentioned if you chose not to broach the subject with that character.

Edit: Like junk viral DNA. Something you don't use unless you encounter the virus that activates the antibodies.

Okay, so we would have four characters who either lack basic self-awareness or are severely repressed, add to that a Mary Sue PC who can turn anyone gay or straight like a switch, and a shallow relationship where the subject of your partner's sexual fantasies and attractions would never come up.

Not seeing how this could be implemented in any other than a cheesy fanservice way.

Honestly though what does it matter if they are bi or not. If you aren't into that sort of thing you can ignore it. If you are playing MaleHawke and Isabela is bi - what does it matter to you? You should never even know this in game.  It's just nice to have the option for those of us that are into it.

[Auroreia]

Addai67 wrote...

Auroreia wrote...

^ Agreed. Also, just because the character has the possibility of being romanced by a Hawke of the same gender, doesn't mean their orientation would ever be brought up or mentioned if you chose not to broach the subject with that character.

Edit: Like junk viral DNA. Something you don't use unless you encounter the virus that activates the antibodies.

Okay, so we would have four characters who either lack basic self-awareness or are severely repressed, add to that a Mary Sue PC who can turn anyone gay or straight like a switch, and a shallow relationship where the subject of your partner's sexual fantasies and attractions would never come up.

Not seeing how this could be implemented in any other than a cheesy fanservice way.

Oh, geez no. To the second part. What I meant was, if you wanted to pursue a character of the same gender, then the fact they're bi/gay would come up. But if you didn't pursue them, it never would, because that's their business, anyway.

And I'm not saying they go around sexing their whole group. In ME2 if you had sex with Jack and didn't wait for the romance scene, it closed the romance sub plot to you. Like if in one gsme you decided to ply Male Hawke who was interested in men, and went after Anders or Fenris, maybe the female LIs close or...something.

[Auroreia]

Arhea wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Auroreia wrote...

^ Agreed. Also, just because the character has the possibility of being romanced by a Hawke of the same gender, doesn't mean their orientation would ever be brought up or mentioned if you chose not to broach the subject with that character.

Edit: Like junk viral DNA. Something you don't use unless you encounter the virus that activates the antibodies.

Okay, so we would have four characters who either lack basic self-awareness or are severely repressed, add to that a Mary Sue PC who can turn anyone gay or straight like a switch, and a shallow relationship where the subject of your partner's sexual fantasies and attractions would never come up.

Not seeing how this could be implemented in any other than a cheesy fanservice way.

Honestly though what does it matter if they are bi or not. If you aren't into that sort of thing you can ignore it. If you are playing MaleHawke and Isabela is bi - what does it matter to you? You should never even know this in game.  It's just nice to have the option for those of us that are into it.

^ This. I meant this.