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[fatale-sirens]

Throw me into the bi lot, if only to hope. <3

[mesmerizedish]

There's actually no such thing as a Mary Sue PC... the PC, by its very nature, possesses Mary Sue qualities, but it's not a Mary Sue. It's the PC. Anyone who says "Mary Sue PC" is immediately discredited by that.

[SG60]

+1 to all bi!

[SgtElias]

Wow, this thread is awesome!

I have no idea if it's true or not, but I'm going with wishful thinking and saying that everyone is a bi romance option.

. . . 's what I voted, anyway.

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

There's actually no such thing as a Mary Sue PC... the PC, by its very nature, possesses Mary Sue qualities, but it's not a Mary Sue. It's the PC. Anyone who says "Mary Sue PC" is immediately discredited by that.

 

Bull it's quite possible for PCs not to be Mary Sues. It's rare as hell but there is the chance they dodge the bullet. Having Mary Sue qualities doesn't make you a Mary Sue. It's having a large amount of them that does it. 

Frankly the Warden to me seems one of the closest characters BW made that didn't come off as completely sueish. But that was mostly because of plot dumb and idiot ball. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 mars 2011 - 04:24 .

[megaz635]

The picture of merrill in the bi bed is hot.

[MorningBird]

megaz635 wrote...

The picture of merrill in the bi bed is hot.

I find I cannot refute your logic, good sir or madam.

[Talon_Wu]

All bi. I'm feeling optimistic today.

[Taleroth]

Ryzaki wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

There's actually no such thing as a Mary Sue PC... the PC, by its very nature, possesses Mary Sue qualities, but it's not a Mary Sue. It's the PC. Anyone who says "Mary Sue PC" is immediately discredited by that.

 

Bull it's quite possible for PC not to be Mary Sues. It's rare as hell but there is the chance they dodge the bullet. Having Mary Sue qualities doesn't make you a Mary Sue. It's having a large amount of them that does it. 

It's a difficult task.  Author avatar and wish fullfillment, basic criteria.  Author avatar is on the player.  Wish fulfillment is on the developer.  Kind of depends on whether you require one or both and how the player ends up playing.

Maybe this is pedantry.  I guess it's being used almost entirely in the wish fullfillment sense here.  Which is not overly hard to dodge, but hard to dodge and make interesting.  Especially for a large audience.  Most players like their agency, which is hard to give them without letting them change things.

Modifié par Taleroth, 01 mars 2011 - 04:28 .

[Enshaid]

MorningBird wrote...

megaz635 wrote...

The picture of merrill in the bi bed is hot.

I find I cannot refute your logic, good sir or madam.

How insensitive!They could've been very offended by that if they happen to be a nongendered creature who produces through a cloud of spores!

[Auroreia]

Freek on a Leesh wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

megaz635 wrote...

The picture of merrill in the bi bed is hot.

I find I cannot refute your logic, good sir or madam.

How insensitive!They could've been very offended by that if they happen to be a nongendered creature who produces through a cloud of spores!

Oh my! We're going to need THAT as an LI option now...

[Ryzaki]

Taleroth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

There's actually no such thing as a Mary Sue PC... the PC, by its very nature, possesses Mary Sue qualities, but it's not a Mary Sue. It's the PC. Anyone who says "Mary Sue PC" is immediately discredited by that.

 

Bull it's quite possible for PC not to be Mary Sues. It's rare as hell but there is the chance they dodge the bullet. Having Mary Sue qualities doesn't make you a Mary Sue. It's having a large amount of them that does it. 

It's a difficult task.  Author avatar and wish fullfillment, basic criteria.  Author avatar is on the player.  Wish fulfillment is on the developer.  Kind of depends on whether you require one or both and how the player ends up playing.

Maybe this is pedantry.  I guess it's being used almost entirely in the wish fullfillment sense here.  Which is not overly hard to dodge, but hard to dodge and make interesting.  Especially for a large audience.

 

Yah I wasn't saying it was easy.  Which is what makes it all the sweeter when it's pulled off. 

And frankly my point was the whole "Mary sue!" excuse was ****** poor because the PC has been a sue from the jump. Unless that's changed in DA2 but seeing as their going the Commander Shepard route I highly doubt it. Ah Shepard. How everything in ME must twist and conform to suit you. <_<

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 mars 2011 - 04:30 .

[mesmerizedish]

Ryzaki wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

There's actually no such thing as a Mary Sue PC... the PC, by its very nature, possesses Mary Sue qualities, but it's not a Mary Sue. It's the PC. Anyone who says "Mary Sue PC" is immediately discredited by that.

 

Bull it's quite possible for PCs not to be Mary Sues. It's rare as hell but there is the chance they dodge the bullet. Having Mary Sue qualities doesn't make you a Mary Sue. It's having a large amount of them that does it. 

Frankly the Warden to me seems one of the closest characters BW made that didn't come off as completely sueish. But that was mostly because of plot dumb and idiot ball. 

To quote tvtropes.org:

Whether video-games, RPG's, etc; if it's the audience, it can't be a Mary Sue, since Mary-Sue is always second or third-person in relation to the audience

[Enshaid]

Auroreia wrote...

Freek on a Leesh wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

megaz635 wrote...

The picture of merrill in the bi bed is hot.

I find I cannot refute your logic, good sir or madam.

How insensitive!They could've been very offended by that if they happen to be a nongendered creature who produces through a cloud of spores!

Oh my! We're going to need THAT as an LI option now...

I will pay someone to make me a "I support nongendered creatures who produce through spores as Lis" banner.

[Taleroth]

Ryzaki wrote...
Yah I wasn't saying it was easy.  Which is what makes it all the sweeter when it's pulled off. 

And frankly my point was the whole "Mary sue!" excuse was ****** poor because the PC has been a sue from the jump. Unless that's changed in DA2 but seeing as their going the Commander Shepard route I highly doubt it. Ah Shepard. How everything in ME must twist and conform to suit you. <_<

I think the primary examples I can come up with where the PC wasn't a technical sue was where the villain was the developer's sue.

Those are great. <_<

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

There's actually no such thing as a Mary Sue PC... the PC, by its very nature, possesses Mary Sue qualities, but it's not a Mary Sue. It's the PC. Anyone who says "Mary Sue PC" is immediately discredited by that.

 

Bull it's quite possible for PCs not to be Mary Sues. It's rare as hell but there is the chance they dodge the bullet. Having Mary Sue qualities doesn't make you a Mary Sue. It's having a large amount of them that does it. 

Frankly the Warden to me seems one of the closest characters BW made that didn't come off as completely sueish. But that was mostly because of plot dumb and idiot ball. 

To quote tvtropes.org:

Whether video-games, RPG's, etc; if it's the audience, it can't be a Mary Sue, since Mary-Sue is always second or third-person in relation to the audience

wikipedia love: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

While the term is generally limited to fan-created characters, and its most common usage today occurs within the fan fiction community or in reference to fan fiction, original characters in role-playing games or literary canon are also sometimes criticized as being "Mary Sues" or "canon Sues," if they dominate the spotlight or are too unrealistic or unlikely in other ways. One example of this criticism is Wesley Crusher from Star Trek: The Next Generation.[1][2][3]

 Two words: Commander Shepard. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 mars 2011 - 04:38 .

[Auroreia]

Freek on a Leesh wrote...

Auroreia wrote...

Freek on a Leesh wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

megaz635 wrote...

The picture of merrill in the bi bed is hot.

I find I cannot refute your logic, good sir or madam.

How insensitive!They could've been very offended by that if they happen to be a nongendered creature who produces through a cloud of spores!

Oh my! We're going to need THAT as an LI option now...

I will pay someone to make me a "I support nongendered creatures who produce through spores as Lis" banner.

I will use that banner.

[MorningBird]

Freek on a Leesh wrote...

Auroreia wrote...

Freek on a Leesh wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

megaz635 wrote...

The picture of merrill in the bi bed is hot.

I find I cannot refute your logic, good sir or madam.

How insensitive!They could've been very offended by that if they happen to be a nongendered creature who produces through a cloud of spores!

Oh my! We're going to need THAT as an LI option now...

I will pay someone to make me a "I support nongendered creatures who produce through spores as Lis" banner.

It's how I roll.  Everyone on the internet is a sir or madam until proven otherwise.

Then they have my sincerest apologies and amendment.

[Maclimes]

Auroreia wrote...

I will use that banner.

Seconded.

[Ryzaki]

Taleroth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Yah I wasn't saying it was easy.  Which is what makes it all the sweeter when it's pulled off. 

And frankly my point was the whole "Mary sue!" excuse was ****** poor because the PC has been a sue from the jump. Unless that's changed in DA2 but seeing as their going the Commander Shepard route I highly doubt it. Ah Shepard. How everything in ME must twist and conform to suit you. <_<

I think the primary examples I can come up with where the PC wasn't a technical sue was where the villain was the developer's sue.

Those are great. <_<

LOL

I like when the Mary Sue and the Villian Sue collide. It gets hilarious.  

No but I mean sues in general are avoided on both sides. Are their any games like that? The only thing I remember are a few JRPGs. 

[halokitty]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

There's actually no such thing as a Mary Sue PC... the PC, by its very nature, possesses Mary Sue qualities, but it's not a Mary Sue. It's the PC. Anyone who says "Mary Sue PC" is immediately discredited by that.

I freely admit that I'm playing this game, heck ANY game, as a form of wish fulfillment (or, if you will, vicarious adventuring.)  I don't play sports games because I don't give a carp abut soccer, hockey, football, baseball, et al.  I don't play racing/driving games nor games that deal with modern militarism, such as Call of Duty.  I play games that appeal to a selfish, personal part of me.  Games that I want to participate in, both for the story as a third-party observer as well as a first-person participant.  All the better when the game allows for deep customization, such as physical appearance, class, clothing/accessories, or stats.  I suppose that's technically Mary Sue-style self insertion, but in the larger picture that's simply what video games are all about. 

Modifié par halokitty, 01 mars 2011 - 04:38 .

[Arhea]

The Water God wrote...
It has nothing to do with the romances being fan service. It's the individual personalitys thats the problem. The characters are suppoused to be unique and different. It would be boring if Morrigan was all girly girl and nice like Leliana. They're two completely different characters with their own unique tastes, likes, and dislikes.

Huh??? WTF does Leliana being bi have to do with her being girly girly and nice??  Leliana's character was to be girly girly and nice. She also happened to be bi. No correlation whatsoever. A person's sexual preference does not define their personality. And vice versa.

[jamnkick]

As much as it pains me, I doubt all are bi. ):