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Addai67 wrote...
"That's their business?" As in, I have a 10 year relationship with someone but never know they like the dudes? What kind of relationship is that?
And I'm talking about the characters' identity independent of the PC. I'd prefer them to have one.
There's Mary Sues and then there are Mary Sues. Just because the PC is a little god doesn't mean you have to self-consciously style a story that way. You should actually try to, you know, make them a person, and the people around them people. That's my idea of a good story, anyway.ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
There's actually no such thing as a Mary Sue PC... the PC, by its very nature, possesses Mary Sue qualities, but it's not a Mary Sue. It's the PC. Anyone who says "Mary Sue PC" is immediately discredited by that.
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Ryzaki wrote...
Once again it doesn't matter. He's a CANON sue.
Once again, it doesn't matter. He's a first-person character, and he's the star. Wes was a canon Sue (arguably) because he was a secondary character who had so much attention cast his way.
No one would ever accuse Picard of being a canon Sue when he's able to make Romulans and Vulcans make hot sex with the power of diplomacy, defeat every Borg in the galaxy single-handedly with his unique insights from his time as Locutus, and shout defiantly to the very end that "There are FOUR LIGHTS!" This is because he's the star of the show.
Modifié par Arhea, 01 mars 2011 - 04:57 .
Well, you assume that for me actually, since I never said that. However, typically sexuality is considered not only an important part of the human identity, it's a very basic and primal one.ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
"That's their business?" As in, I have a 10 year relationship with someone but never know they like the dudes? What kind of relationship is that?
And I'm talking about the characters' identity independent of the PC. I'd prefer them to have one.
It's sweet how you assume that sexuality is the only part of their personality that matters at all zomg.
Arhea wrote...
halokitty wrote...
But I like the goody good girls like Leliana! :innocent:
Oh I like them too!! - but all the bi girls aren't like that
Modifié par halokitty, 01 mars 2011 - 05:00 .
Modifié par Auroreia, 01 mars 2011 - 05:01 .
Yay! I always hate it when mommy and mommy fight.ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
As for the Mary Sue thing, that's not taking away rainbows, but it is off-topic... so just admit that I'm right, and then we'll be done
Guest_Puddi III_*
I respect that, though I still don't think it makes the PC a Mary Sue (or whatever, semantic argument aside) if their identity isn't entirely independent of the PC. It's not the PC's choice affecting their identity. It's the player's choice.Addai67 wrote...
"That's their business?" As in, I have a 10 year relationship with someone but never know they like the dudes? What kind of relationship is that?
And I'm talking about the characters' identity independent of the PC. I'd prefer them to have one.
Modifié par Filament, 01 mars 2011 - 05:02 .
ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Okay, this thread has done really super well about people getting along, and we're losing some rainbows... so, Addai, cut it out. People who have been arguing with Addai (myself included) cut it out.
As for the Mary Sue thing, that's not taking away rainbows, but it is off-topic... so just admit that I'm right, and then we'll be done
Modifié par Ryzaki, 01 mars 2011 - 05:26 .
Addai67 wrote...
Well, you assume that for me actually, since I never said that. However, typically sexuality is considered not only an important part of the human identity, it's a very basic and primal one.ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Addai67 wrote...
"That's their business?" As in, I have a 10 year relationship with someone but never know they like the dudes? What kind of relationship is that?
And I'm talking about the characters' identity independent of the PC. I'd prefer them to have one.
It's sweet how you assume that sexuality is the only part of their personality that matters at all zomg.
Girl in the Box wrote...
Is the bet still on? If so, I'm going to go with ALL bi, in part because of the awesome foursome pic on the first page. Let the love shine down!
Sure, like any choice the player makes that affects the story- but Hawke becomes an avatar of that choice. I realize that some consider "the road not taken" to be metagame and thus unimportant, but to me it's part of having fully fleshed out characters that they are who they are and that they respond to Hawke as real people, and that Hawke not have more influence over them than is due any highly charismatic lover/ rival/ friend/ relative would have. It's one of the things that really put me off Leliana, for instance, that she was so moldable as a person as to just be creepy and offputting (to me).Filament wrote...
I respect that, though I still don't think it makes the PC a Mary Sue (or whatever, semantic argument aside) if their identity isn't entirely independent of the PC. It's not the PC's choice affecting their identity. It's the player's choice.Addai67 wrote...
"That's their business?" As in, I have a 10 year relationship with someone but never know they like the dudes? What kind of relationship is that?
And I'm talking about the characters' identity independent of the PC. I'd prefer them to have one.
Addai67 wrote...
It's one of the things that really put me off Leliana, for instance, that she was so moldable as a person as to just be creepy and offputting (to me).
Modifié par halokitty, 01 mars 2011 - 05:19 .
Guest_Puddi III_*
What I'm talking about is the choice of gender. Hawke isn't really an avatar of that choice so much as a product of it, just as the LIs' sexualities would be. I'm not talking about making Hawke flirt with LIs so hard that they just can't help themselves but to be gay for him; what I mean is, when the player chooses Hawke's gender as male, that means, in that playthrough, Anders and Fenris will be either gay or bisexual, not as any product of Hawke's words or actions, but as a product of the player's input at the beginning of the game.Addai67 wrote...
Sure, like any choice the player makes that affects the story- but Hawke becomes an avatar of that choice. I realize that some consider "the road not taken" to be metagame and thus unimportant, but to me it's part of having fully fleshed out characters that they are who they are and that they respond to Hawke as real people, and that Hawke not have more influence over them than is due any highly charismatic lover/ rival/ friend/ relative would have. It's one of the things that really put me off Leliana, for instance, that she was so moldable as a person as to just be creepy and offputting (to me).Filament wrote...
I respect that, though I still don't think it makes the PC a Mary Sue (or whatever, semantic argument aside) if their identity isn't entirely independent of the PC. It's not the PC's choice affecting their identity. It's the player's choice.Addai67 wrote...
"That's their business?" As in, I have a 10 year relationship with someone but never know they like the dudes? What kind of relationship is that?
And I'm talking about the characters' identity independent of the PC. I'd prefer them to have one.
I do get the concept, believe me. I just really dislike it as a storytelling mechanic. Since the LIs would all have split personalities in that type of setup, I'd prefer the writers just make them all bisexual full stop, and let us get to know them as they really are, not as they are provisionally because I made a choice in character creation.Filament wrote...
What I'm talking about is the choice of gender. Hawke isn't really an avatar of that choice so much as a product of it, just as the LIs' sexualities would be. I'm not talking about making Hawke flirt with LIs so hard that they just can't help themselves but to be gay for him; what I mean is, when the player chooses Hawke's gender as male, that means, in that playthrough, Anders and Fenris will be either gay or bisexual, not as any product of Hawke's words or actions, but as a product of the player's input at the beginning of the game.
When I was 10, that show was the funniest **** EVER.IndelibleJester wrote...
10 year old Freek dissaproves -50ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
When I was 10, I didn't know what show was. I still don't >.>
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