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[Veex]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Not if you started the game in that area rather than in Ferelden.

I suppose that is true. With a fixed human protaganist you could introduce the differences in politics etc... between the Free Marches and Fereldan. I'm not sure it would make a lot of sense to do another introduction on Dalish or Dwarves though.

[AkiKishi]

NoclueR wrote...

Regardless of how different it is compared to Origins, it's still Bioware.

That promises in depth lore/story and atleast 50 hours of gameplay.

I wish you luck with the last one..

[AkiKishi]

Veex wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Not if you started the game in that area rather than in Ferelden.

I suppose that is true. With a fixed human protaganist you could introduce the differences in politics etc... between the Free Marches and Fereldan. I'm not sure it would make a lot of sense to do another introduction on Dalish or Dwarves though.

I don't really know enough details for specfics, but you could have a surface dwarf origin and the Dalish probably have their own probems in that region as well related to a particular tribe. Quanari is another one you could have added.

[The Elder King]

BobSmith101 wrote...

NoclueR wrote...

Regardless of how different it is compared to Origins, it's still Bioware.

That promises in depth lore/story and atleast 50 hours of gameplay.

I wish you luck with the last one..

Game lenght is subjective, as we see with DAO, the game lenght goes from 20 hours to over 130 hours.... so why some people can't finish DA2 in 30 hours (with sidequests) and others in 50?

[Tinxa]

ME games take about 50 hours to finish for me so that's a completely reasonable expectation for players that don't finish BW games in 10 hours like some people do.

[Coldest]

Origins and DA2 are two different games and you're allowed to love them both. What about this is so hard to understand?

[Yrkoon]

Tirranek wrote...

I never said here, but did I do a bad? 0_o

Hopefully not.

Nevertheless, you do make a good point.  You pretty much summed up all 305 pages of the Demo feedback thread.  Good job!
 
It's  a bizzare exercise in guessing, and ESP.  I can totally understand such comparisons being made, in, say, 6 months from now, when we all have both games and we can make informed comparisons.

But comparing 2 games  that we haven't played, and  more, reaching such definitive, emotionally charged conclusions about both of them?  There's just something so... childish in that.    Even beyond the " either or" false mandate  in the comparison itself (who says both games can't be utter classics?)

Modifié par Yrkoon, 28 février 2011 - 02:21 .

[Milana_Saros]

String910 wrote...

you are comparing a full game like origins with the demo of da2 which is intended to show the fighting sistem and the gameplay mechanics, not the story of the game

and you are complaining about the feeling and story of da2 ?

wow...thats just...wow

+1

If I insisted on hanging onto a single specific game that was rockzzrooorrr the awezumm best gamu eva! then I would still be playing Giana Sisters on C64.

Get over Origins k thx.

[keginkc]

Origins had to introduce the world, the cultures, and the history. Dragon Age 2 does not. Hence no need for as much of a setup. You can jump right into the actions. That's how sequels often work...

[Elsariel]

Unless you've played the full game already, you have absolutely no idea what the atmosphere is like once you get to Kirkwall. The fighting in Lothering is quick and since the demo skips directly to Isabella, we don't know what the game is like when we arrive in Kirkwall. I suspect there very well will be lots of "getting to know" the denizens and environment in Kirkwall just like you got to know your environment in Origins. I'm not upset about Lothering. I've been there, and done that with the Warden.

I will point out like the gazillion other people in this forum have that you really shouldn't judge the game based on the demo. Granted, I don't think the demo was that awesome, but Bioware has a precedent for making really great games. I'm not going to judge until I play the full game. I reccomend that you, OP, do the same.

[android654]

String910 wrote...

you are comparing a full game like origins with the demo of da2 which is intended to show the fighting sistem and the gameplay mechanics, not the story of the game

and you are complaining about the feeling and story of da2 ?

wow...thats just...wow

That makes total sense, its like comparing a film to a poster for another movie. Its practically the same exact thing.

I mean what are you trying to say, that someone is being irrational to compare a finished product to a glimpse of things that were fixed or tossed out beforethe actual game comes out, is that what you're saying?

[PrinceOfFallout13]

the demo cut merril,anders,fenris,varrick recruitment how do i know this? because when mike laidlaw did the live demo feed he had them all after finishing isabela's quest so yeah

Modifié par PrinceOfFallout13, 28 février 2011 - 02:31 .

[Wulfram]

There's no point in having a demo except to allow people to judge whether they want to buy the full game.

Buy it, then judge, would only be preferable if that approach didn't cost money

[Gnoster]

Watching the developer diary about the story in DA2 I would say that DA2 has a huge storyline, although it's a different type of storyline than we saw in DAO. Ofcourse not everyone will welcome this change, while others will prefer it over the Origin story.

I agree with what else has been said already. The demo is not the game, and one cannot in anyway judge to quality of the DA2 story from the demo.

[RVallant]

keginkc wrote...

Origins had to introduce the world, the cultures, and the history. Dragon Age 2 does not. Hence no need for as much of a setup. You can jump right into the actions. That's how sequels often work...

Now see, this is the argument when combined with others defending DA2's action-goes-super-fast gameplay that doesn't make sense. If these changes are being done to bring in new fans who haven't played DA:O then they need to be introduced to the world, cultures and history anyway.

Hopefully the combat will be slowed down a bit, it's way too fast and arcady at the moment. A solid enemy is one that has to be fought not spawn of cannon fodder. One blog review makes the point; the darkspawn aren't nearly intimidating enough to care about because they just spawn constantly at the start all the way through. By the time Hawke points out they're never ending most logical reactions would be "and so? We've taken out an army of the things already I'm sure we can take out three more armies before we get tired."

The two camps, one criticising the game and the other adamantly defending it both display flaws of fanboyism to whichever game being thrown in the discussion. DA2's demo is flawed, there's a lot to be improved upon. The hilarious power-rangers and skeletor's army of darkspawn for example. The exceptionally drastic art changes (read: Flemeth) and the pace of the damn game. Those aren't my complaints, those are cropping up on DA2 game forums across the net, it's not just being said here but all over the place. That warrants attention.

However, it doesn't mean the positives should be ignored. The travel/combat areas should in theory go smoother and quicker allowing for the dialogue lovers to move to the next dialogue points quicker. We should have a new interest in Flemeth's little plot as well as the Hawke family (and yes, Carver/Bethany dieing is emotionless because well, I don't know them and nor do I care. Maybe I'll be more emotionally attached to them if there's plot building prior to the lothering escape but who knows).

But yeah, neither side should dismiss everything or defend everything. We'll just have to wait and see, if it bothers a player that much then don't pre-order, don't buy on release and wait until a clearer picture emerges. That's what the sensible people do

[android654]

Coldest wrote...

Origins and DA2 are two different games and you're allowed to love them both. What about this is so hard to understand?

The part I don't understand is how can someone hate something they've barely seen?

[PrinceOfFallout13]

android654 wrote...

Coldest wrote...

Origins and DA2 are two different games and you're allowed to love them both. What about this is so hard to understand?

The part I don't understand is how can someone hate something they've barely seen?

it happened with halo reach,cod,assassins creed,fallout,oblivion etc...it will always happens as long as people get a response from the assumptions they will keep doing it

imagine if everyone ignored this types of topic (no problem with preference im cool with that) no one would say nothing until the game is released

[icarushorizon]

I went and finished up a few DLC items I had to for my import game after playing the demo, and actually enjoyed both forms of combat.

[Elsariel]

android654 wrote...

Coldest wrote...

Origins and DA2 are two different games and you're allowed to love them both. What about this is so hard to understand?

The part I don't understand is how can someone hate something they've barely seen?

To be fair, I don't think the OP was about hatred so much as disappointment.

[The Baconer]

KLUME777 wrote...

...It amazed me how much Dragon Age: Origins is so much better than Dragon Age 2, or at least the demo.

*massive facepalm* Man, I won't even bother reading the rest of that.

[Glix]

Ah, the nostalgia factor.

[sangy]

I can't say I won't like DA2 because I really feel like I just don't know yet.

I will agree that the DA2 demo did feel very different than DAO. It felt like a whole new game. The only thing that gives you a memory of DAO is the fact it begins with Lothering (at least in the demo) and you get to see Flemeth (even if she looks entirely different).

It's odd because with Mass Effect you really get the smooth transition from ME1 to ME2 which I really loved. I know we're talking about DA here, but it's all Bioware and what we are used to.

Maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised once we've had a real chance to test everything out.

[android654]

Elsariel wrote...

android654 wrote...

Coldest wrote...

Origins and DA2 are two different games and you're allowed to love them both. What about this is so hard to understand?

The part I don't understand is how can someone hate something they've barely seen?

To be fair, I don't think the OP was about hatred so much as disappointment.

Fair enough, but 40 to 100+ hours compared to 25 minutes is not sufficient to make a comparrison in my opinion.

[IndelibleJester]

Rakia_Time wrote...

I can't go back to Origins after playing the demo...i tried but i just can't...

I'm also having a hard time finishing my last origins playthrough after playing that demo... this last week has never been so long.

[Elsariel]

android654 wrote...

Elsariel wrote...

android654 wrote...

Coldest wrote...

Origins and DA2 are two different games and you're allowed to love them both. What about this is so hard to understand?

The part I don't understand is how can someone hate something they've barely seen?

To be fair, I don't think the OP was about hatred so much as disappointment.

Fair enough, but 40 to 100+ hours compared to 25 minutes is not sufficient to make a comparrison in my opinion.

Absolutely, totally, 100% agreed.