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[DW2511]

Shield tank is the best for first time players. You always take point, don't switch characters often and you charge straight in.

Personally, I didn't finish a mage playthrough in Origins so that's my choice for DA2.

[Zubie]

I would think a 2H tank would be horrible at least around the beginning of the game when you won't have many skills boosting your survivability. I would like to try this out though.

[Isaidlunch]

If Aveline is the only option for Nightmare then I'll be very disappointed. I'm planning on switching between Fenris + Aveline + perhaps Carver but if Aveline is miles ahead of the other two I'll be sticking to Normal or Hard.

Modifié par Kazanth, 06 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[disturbedfan248]

My plan as of right now is to build a s&s tank who can absorb as much damage as possible while holding aggro while keeping my party members as pure damage dealers. Their defensive abilities will come from me using rally w/ turn the blade/elemental aegis and maybe I'lll have Anders using arcane shield with the upgrades to extend the bonus to the rest of the party.

[disturbedfan248]

Double post..my bad

An option may be, as a 2h tank, roll with Fenris or Carver and set up some tactics so that whoever's health is highest during the fight gets aggro.

For instance for Fenris

Self - If Hawke's health < 25% - Activate ability - Taunt.

Vice versa for your Hawke. Hawke could start out the fight as tank but potentially trade at some point.

This would probably work well if everybody is focusing down one mob at a time so your party isnt generating extra threat.

Modifié par disturbedfan248, 07 mars 2011 - 05:55 .

[nisallik]

I'll be playing Nightmare for my first playthrough and will be taking Varric, Isabela, and Anders... Sword and Shield tank for me. =)

[sassperella]

If a sword and shield tank is vastly better than a 2h tank Bioware are essentially saying if you're not a tank take Avaline or die. So I'm hoping 2h warrior is an adequate tank.

[Dridengx]

Berkilak wrote...

 I would like to take this opportunity to thank BioWare from freeing the tank role from the sword'n boarders.

orly?

Let's take a look at the Warrior trees, shall we?

Firstly, the most obvious - Weapon and Shield. Yeah, there are a few defensive talents in here, at the cost of damage. But the majority of the talents are focussed on crowd control, tossing lots of enemies around, and positioning them.

probably because that's what a defensive build would do? more defense, crowd control, and damage reduction

Secondly, Two-handed. Note that not a SINGLE talent in this tree increases damage. It merely provides the best AoE skills for the class, which is just as effective at keeping aggro as it is at doing damage.

you sure? Have you tried playing a two hander in the demo? no matter how many skills you use, you cannot peal that orge off Aveline.

Thirdly and fourthly, Defender and Warmonger. Here are your actual tanking talents.

yes, the warrior trees not the weapon ones just like the first game lol
  Threaten increased aggro not in the shield tree is it?

do you see any taunting skills on the shield tree?

My personal plan? DPS/buffing focussed shield and weapon Hawke with Fenris as the true tank.

LOL having a shield tank and using the weaker, more vulnerable character be the main tank? FAIL

[sassperella]

I think it's a mistake then on Bioware's part taking away my ability to set up any warrior but myself or Avaline as a sword and sheild warrior. By limiting the other warriors in the game to 2h they're essentially making them nearly useless. Avaline tank - Anders healer as he's the only real healer, a rogue for locks and me. Admittedly this can be tweaked dependant on my class but unless I play healer or Tank those two roles are vitually set by bioware for me.

Why bother giving me any other companions at all?

Modifié par sassperella, 07 mars 2011 - 06:15 .

[Hideyoshi]

Berkilak wrote...

T3hAnubis wrote...

The Sword and Board Warrior still is the better tank by quite the margin. The Damage mitigation and CC outweight any extra damage a 2H Warrior does for a Tank role. But the 2H is a better Tank than in Origins, that much is true.

Neither of us can make the argument that the margin is that wide. DA2 has shown itself to be a game that pumps out as many enemies at once. A dead enemy is one that isn't doing damage. While I'll concede that, for a single-boss encounter, a shield and weapon tank will outweigh a two-hander, those types of fights are shaping up to be the exception to the rule. It's all about battlefield management rather than statistical min-maxing.

It's both factual and common sense that those with a shield will have better survivability than those without.

[mhendon]

As long as my 2 handers aren't passing out after a bunny looks at them wrong anymore...I'll be happy. I'm glad that there seems to be a little more flexibility in the way you build your party this time around, at least in this regard.

[Joe Kettle 345]

everyone has to admit that 2h warriors are great against groups unlike sword and board

however the sword and board tactic is far better defence wise