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[OpDDay2001]

*Note: I used FRAPS to record the video so the problem was exagerated slightly, but this still happens without Fraps (or any other programs for that matter), just not as bad as quickly.*



A weird issue I'm having in DA:O and only DA:O. After playing for a
certain amount of time, usually at least an hour but sometimes
considerably shorter, I start to experience a crippling sort of lag.
It's not too bad at first, as shown here, but it gets progressively
worse to the point where there is a significant delay in the execution
of commands/abilities. Skipping only effects really large battles and/or
when a battle (of medium-or-so size) is finished.

My system specifications are:

Processor: AMD Phenom™ II X6 1100T Processor - 3313 MHz Clock Speed
RAM: 15.9 GB (16GB) Physical
Page File (Max size): 31.9 GB
Page File (Used): 2.48 GB
Display Adapter: ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series (5770) with 1.00GB GDDR5 VRAM
Latest Driver is installed (but DA's configuration tool doesn't recognize it. Catalyst Version    11.2)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
DirectX: DirectX 11 (Aug2009) or later
Resolution: 1440 x 900 (also tried 1280x786 and 1280x800 in Full Screen and Windowed)

Things I've tried:
Uninstalling some Mods
Setting Core Affinity (Worked for awhile but gave me my first and only Blue Screen, still had issues, though considerably less)
Windows Compatability Mode (Didn't really work and caused horrible sound skipping issues in combat)
Change Resolution, Full Screen/Windowed, and Video Settings (Issue persists even if if all graphic settings are set to Low, Resolution size doesn't seem to affect it much but being windowed helps a little bit.)
Saving Game (Don't know why this works, but saving the game when I start to experience this issue sometimes helps enough to delay/solve the problem but it is always temporary and with diminishing returns)
Restarting the Game (Pretty much the only way to solve this is to save and exit the game completely for about 5 minutes. Doing this every 30 minutes to 2 hours is highly annoying when I just wanna marathon through some parts.)

Any ideas?

Modifié par OpDDay2001, 28 février 2011 - 07:01 .

[Moondoggie]

Whats your pagefile size? And do you have anti virus and anti spyware? Are they set to automatically scan? you should change them to only scan at times you are not playing video games or not at all and just scan daily manually at your own leisure. I've had several lag issues because of things scanning in the background.

[OpDDay2001]

Page file is listed. 31.9 GB

AVG is on, but it's not scanning and Gaming Mode is on on the firewall (not really relevant, but still). I'll double check my settings though, but it shouldn't be scanning, not even when "idle".

Edit: Double checked, and AVG isn't the cause as far as I can tell. It's set to scan at specific times, and I'm never playing at those times. I suppose it could be a service acting up, but the only services that are running are the ones WIndows 7 starts and AVG uses.

Modifié par OpDDay2001, 28 février 2011 - 07:30 .

[RaenImrahl]

Oh my... where to begin. Okay... let's start here. You've "uninstalled some mods"... not good enough. I can see by your video that there are still mods installed. The ONLY way to make sure mods are not responsible for a performance issue is to reinstall the game... and even then, you may not be able to use your previously saved games.

But... as an intellectual exercise, let's ignore the mods for a moment. We need to know how much your system is loading into the pagefile at startup. Reboot, then when everything is loaded, go to the start menu and type:

dxdiag

That will get you the DirectX Diagnostic Tool. Tell us how much is being used, and how much is available.

Second... You appear to be playing at a decent resolution. What other graphic settings are you using, both in-game and in the catalyst software?

Edit:  Adding a third... just noticed you have 16GB of RAM (?!?! - what, are you using a CAD program to blueprint a Saturn V rocket or something?!).  I would suggest you get some free monitoring software like CPU ID and monitor your temps while playing, expecially around the time it starts to lag.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 28 février 2011 - 10:48 .

[Moondoggie]

Page File (Max size): 31.9 GB
Page File (Used): 2.48 GB

It was right there in his first post aparently i am a douche. What in gods name do you have running in the background?

[Angband21]

Moondoggie wrote...

Page File (Max size): 31.9 GB
Page File (Used): 2.48 GB

It was right there in his first post aparently i am a douche. What in gods name do you have running in the background?

That will definitely cause lagging. Cut that by about 1.5 GB and he'll be better off.

[RaenImrahl]

Moondoggie wrote...

Page File (Max size): 31.9 GB
Page File (Used): 2.48 GB

It was right there in his first post aparently i am a douche. What in gods name do you have running in the background?

You may not be that much of a douche   I was wondering if he had the game running at the time or not. 

Regardless, the original poster would probably benefit from running Microsoft's Clean Boot utility:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/331796

Props to Angband21, BTW, for pointing that link out a while back.

[OpDDay2001]

I had just finished playing the game for a bit when checking but between Windows 7, Firefox, Steam (DA:O UE was downloaded through Steam), and the pagefile not refreshing yet, 2GB isn't THAT large of a page file. It's sizable, yes, but still. >.>

Also, the link to the Microsoft Clean Boot utility is for a different version of windows.

[OpDDay2001]

Just restarted.

Memory: 16384MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 16382MB RAM
Page File: 1805MB used, 30955MB available

As for what settings I run the game at. I've tried multiple settings, the problems happens all the same. I usually run at the "default" of Very High Graphics Detail, No AA, High Texture, No VSync, No Buffer Effects (well this is sometimes on sometimes off, lately I've just been leaving it off though).

I know the video gets up to about 52C when it gets warmed/fully running. That's about where it should be considering the model. The CPUs I've checked but not while IN game, usually just after closing the game, and they get up to about 45~51C The temperature never reaches 60C as that's what I have my BIOS Warning set too. But I suppose I'll run one of those programs. It might be more accurate than AMD's OverDrive (which I use only for it's Status Monitor, my system is not overclocked) and System Monitor (doesn't show temperatures, so I don't use it much).

As for what Catalyst's settings are, I have them set to Application Preference, but for the sake of being thorough.

Smoothvision HD: Anti-Aliasing:
Use Application Preference

Smoothvision HD: Anisotropic Filtering:
Use Application Preference

Tessellation:
Use Application Preference

Catalyst AI:
- Texture Quality:
High Quality
Surface Format Optimization enabled

Mipmap Detail Level:
High Quality

Wait for Vertical Refresh:
Off, unless application specifies.

Anti-Aliasing Mode:
Adaptive Multi-sample AA

OpenGL Settings:
Triple Buffering
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As for the mods, I was having lag issues before installing the mods and I've no doubt that they might be compounding the problem but well. I did a poor job of explaining the problem I think.

I was getting about 70-80 FPS most of the time, but when the 'lag' starts it goes from 78ish FPS to about 29-30ish FPS and then speeds back up. It's difficult to explain without capturing it and Fraps doesn't capture the FPS when recording.

Edit:

While idle my CPU's core temp hovers around 28-30C. With the occassional dip/spike depending on what I'm doing. It is ABOUT 70-76 Degrees F in my house/room which mean my processor is running, when idle, only about 10 degrees warmer than the room I'm in.

Modifié par OpDDay2001, 01 mars 2011 - 04:00 .

[RaenImrahl]

I agree your pagefile isn't too bad... although there may be something else running at startup that's affecting system performance. The latest version of CCCleaner will also let you turn on and off startup programs and services easily.

The only other test I can think of is to turn all the catalyst stuff off and turn all of the in-game graphics, including resolution, to the lowest possible settings. The game will horrid, of course, but I would load up a saved game and see if you get any FPS loss... even if its not as significant as before. If you still do, that tells me something else is amiss. If you don't, then you can start incrementally adding graphics settings. In other words, eliminate variables.

You can also make sure DirectX 9c is up to date... your system will use 9c for the game, even though 11 is native to Win 7. Links to that and CCCleanup are in the solutions thread linked to my sig.

BTW... I would keep Triple Buffering off anyway... DAO does not use OpenGL, if I recall correctly.

[RaenImrahl]

Another thought... is your graphics card factory overclocked?

[OpDDay2001]

The card doesn't seem to be Factory Overclocked.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102873

Is the specific card I'm using.

I fiddled around with a few settings and it runs a bit better but the issue still comes up.

Core Temperatures reached a Max of 52C, and I sometimes had lag issues (but whenever I checked it was always 50-51C).

Graphic Cards temperature reached a max of 64C but hovered around 51-55 whenever I checked (when experiencing 'lag').

DirectX's installer is saying that it's up-to-date but I can't seem to check it. I would assume it is up-to-date because I've installed and played DirectX 9.0c games that released "recently" (like Magicka).

The only things running at start-up is AVG, Malware Bytes, and system services. I just built this PC from the ground up 2-3 weeks ago. I don't have very much installed on it that would run at start up.

[RaenImrahl]

It's a solid system. I'm running out of ideas, beyond what's already been suggested. Honestly, when I had a Phenom X2 Quad-core 3.4GHz and a comparable graphics card, I could run the game at 1680x1050 at about 45-50FPS (average) with full in-game effects... including AA.  (I've since put in a second card to run as SLI...) 

So I think what you're facing is a combination of graphics settings and those mods. Here's the thing about mods... the only way to truly eliminate their effect is to uninstall/reinstall the game. So that's the only thing I can suggest. Or to put it another way, if you want to play the game with those mods and at that level of graphic detail... you'll probably have to live with a little lag.

Now, as to heating... since it is a new build, I would suggest getting CPUID's free hardware monitor or GPU-Z's monitoring software, which you can leave running minimized while playing. You can set them to track maximum temperatures and voltage... so you can see what's going on with your hardware. You might even consider getting FurMark and doing a stress test on the machine... to see if you should consider additional cooling.

AVG is fine, although the newest version bugged the crap out of me, so I switched to Microsoft Security Essentials. I had to make sure I downloaded AVG's removal tool to completely kill it....

Anywho... that's my best thinking on the topic. Again, on paper your system should perform at full in-game graphics or darn close to it. So I'd look towards those mods.

Best,

RI

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 01 mars 2011 - 06:28 .

[ybantrawgm]

My Settings. HD 5870. Very High setting (DAO). Catalyst 10.4 (High Quality). No issues.

Catalyst 11.2 not a good driver.

Recommend
HD 5770. High (DAO). Catalyst 10.4 (Quality, but try High Quality).

[OpDDay2001]

A Driver Roll Back, eh? I just built the machine, so annoying. I'll try that eventually, but I've managed to get it working (mostly) for now.

[Ethical]

I had a similar problem with Origins and found that it was the AMD phenom processor. If you have winRar open it and go to tools --> benchmark and Hardware test. Let it run and if your "Resulting kb/s" is below 500kb then it is your processor and you need to disable the TLB (google phenom TLB for more info).

If the Resulting kb/s is above 1.4k then I don't know what is wrong

[OpDDay2001]

I have a Phenom II and resulting kb/s is 2,861. The problem is, partly, the processor but TLB ain't it.

[ybantrawgm]

Try this program. Game Booster 2 from IObit. No idea if its any good but worth a try.
Would definitely roll back catalyst to version 10. The newest driver is not always the best and sometimes does not like your hardware combination. I installed 11.2 and had no end of graphical glitches with Crysis, Starcraft II, DAO etc. Also turn off tessallation, surface format if you use 11.2 as I believe they are more aimed at DX11 and DAO is DX9.
My specs. Hd 5870. Phenom II x4 955. WinXp - Win7. No issues.