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[caeron99]

I hate you bioware.

seriously.

You have the guts to actually include some proper gay elements in the story, but don't have the balls to do it right.

I'm excited as hell that this game includes gay elements.  I buy it.  Now I find out that Alistair will flirt with you, but not put out.

what the hell is wrong with you?  I have to be a second ****ing class citizen again?  You have some loser NPC that will put out but the main story line is just off limits to gay folks.

seriously.

I hate you.

patch this.  I'm done with this game and you. 

Modifié par caeron99, 15 novembre 2009 - 06:58 .

[Serogon]

Obvious troll is obvious.

[EricHVela]

Drama queen much?

No. You've taken one conversation that was a bit awkward for the guy (and used humor to try to avoid saying it) and read far too much into it.

[caeron99]

It's a frigging game.



Why can't I have the interactions I want. Why is it a troll? Obviously straight players get what they want out of these interactions. Why define these characters this way? Just let the players decide.

[Braph19]

Meybe he likes you, he just doesnt... like like you.

Or its entirely possible he is strait.

[lordhugorune]

There's literally hundreds - no exaggeration - of genuinely gay, lesbian, or bi people - myself included - on these forums who have posted that they love this game and are thrilled with the effort that Bioware put in to develop two serious bisexual romance plots. No one honestly has any expectation that every character was going to have a gay sex plotline - that's extremely irrational, to put it very mildly. As Ferelden is a parallel of the real world, the majority of people in there are straight. But some aren't. The fact that they actually put two people who aren't straight as romancable party companions tells me that they went out of their way to do something for gay, lesbian, and bi people who play this game, and if you are in that category yourself and can't appreciate it, then you're a moron - as it is, I suspect you're not in that category, and you're just trolling.

In short, I don't know you, and why you're bothering to post this garbage - but please kindly ****** off, you won't be missed.

Modifié par lordhugorune, 15 novembre 2009 - 05:42 .

[Serogon]

First, a warning. SPOOOOOIIIILLLLEEEERS.



Alistair could be king. Ummm, I'm not sure how Ferelden feels about having two kings.





EEEENNNND SPOOOIIILLLLEEEERRRS



So yeah, for some characters it just doesn't make sense to have them be bisexual.

[BillBearden]

Oh no, I'm pretty sure Alistair is completely gay.

[EricHVela]

So... when you read a book, you are able to change the interactions of what's written and intended by the writers?

The writers didn't want Allistair to be gay. Stop projecting.

[caeron99]

Why not just have him react to the character? Why define his sexuality before hand? The point of a game is to entertain its players. Why include some throw away elf **** boy, but not let you take the game where you want?



If you define sexuality before hand, you don't have the guts to make morrigan a lesbian and turn off the guys, right?



seriously, **** that ****.

[Serogon]

Hey, I agree. We should be able to adjust the characters to suit us. Therefore, I propose we are able to make Sten extremely talkative, have Morrigan wear bright clothes and love sunshine, and have Shale love small children. Hey, it's my game, I'll have the characters do what I want!

[EricHVela]

This is a game with a story that has parameters to keep things working. Not a dollhouse or Sims.

[caeron99]

lordhugorune wrote...

There's literally hundreds - no exaggeration - of genuinely gay, lesbian, or bi people - myself included - on these forums who have posted that they love this game and are thrilled with the effort that Bioware put in to develop two serious bisexual romance plots. No one honestly has any expectation that every character was going to have a gay sex plotline - that's extremely irrational, to put it very mildly. As Ferelden is a parallel of the real world, the majority of people in there are straight. But some aren't. The fact that they actually put two people who aren't as romancable party companions tells me that they went out of their way to do something for gay, lesbian, and bi people who play this game, and if you are in that category yourself and can't appreciate it, then you're a moron - as it is, I suspect you're not in that category, and you're just trolling.

In short, I don't know you, and why you're bothering to post this garbage - but please kindly ****** off, you won't be missed.

You are welcome to suck up for having half-assed loser wanna be romance.  I am pissed that they did a throw away, wanna-be, answer to it.  I have played bioware games for years, a lot of years, and am annoyed that that they'd do this.

[Serogon]

caeron99 wrote...

lordhugorune wrote...

There's literally hundreds - no exaggeration - of genuinely gay, lesbian, or bi people - myself included - on these forums who have posted that they love this game and are thrilled with the effort that Bioware put in to develop two serious bisexual romance plots. No one honestly has any expectation that every character was going to have a gay sex plotline - that's extremely irrational, to put it very mildly. As Ferelden is a parallel of the real world, the majority of people in there are straight. But some aren't. The fact that they actually put two people who aren't as romancable party companions tells me that they went out of their way to do something for gay, lesbian, and bi people who play this game, and if you are in that category yourself and can't appreciate it, then you're a moron - as it is, I suspect you're not in that category, and you're just trolling.

In short, I don't know you, and why you're bothering to post this garbage - but please kindly ****** off, you won't be missed.

You are welcome to suck up for having half-assed loser wanna be romance.  I am pissed that they did a throw away, wanna-be, answer to it.  I have played bioware games for years, a lot of years, and am annoyed that that they'd do this.

Wait... you're angrier now that they actually have one then when there weren't any possible?

[mufuti7]

There are gay romances in the game for both males and females, dont know what your problem is.

It is not the straight peoples fault that you belong to a minority (of gamers).

[Serogon]

God damn it...

Modifié par EA_Isledyr, 17 novembre 2009 - 01:07 .

[lordhugorune]

And just when I thought the thread couldn't deteriorate any further from the original post

[Equilibrium1990]

or you could sit down and relize just how hard it is to actually implement two romance options for a character. Then relize and feel glade that they did that for two characters and actually put the effort into it to include all walks of life. Again this is a game, which was designed by Bioware (its there game, not yours) which was made to entertain you to a point. You cant expect the world from them, but thankfully the game is fully mod able. So instead of complainining maybe you could set about creating a mod to make him gay your self?

[caeron99]

The whole point of a game is that it engages and entertains the player. Why give a couple of throw away gay characters when you could just let all the characters evolve based on the players interactions? The point is that zev and the like are insulting afterthoughts. If you thought about including gay characters, why did you just make them throw aways? let the normal characters react to the player stimulus and develop accordingly. Who the hell cares what you, the designer, things about these characters in the absolute? They only have meaning in relation to the player.

[Magilicotti]

Wow, to be honest, the OP sounds like he fell in love with Alistair himself, and is angry that he can't have him. I wonder if he realizes it's only a game, and within this game, Alistair doesn't wish to be homosexual.



So you trash the game because of this, can only state what I have said is true, which I can only respond by saying buck up, it's only a video game.

[Serogon]

caeron99 wrote...

 Who the hell cares what you, the designer, thinks about these characters in the absolute?

caeron99 wrote...

 Who the hell cares what you, the designer, thinks

wat.

(note: fixed the typo for clarification)

Modifié par Serogon, 15 novembre 2009 - 05:52 .

[lordhugorune]

The issue, caeron, is that you're in a roleplaying game. The characters are the way they are. They don't change based on the way that you play the game. Their reactions to you will change, but you can't change *them* into something that they're not. And neither Zevran or Leliana are throwaway characters. You may not like them, but the fact of the matter is that they are both credible and interesting.

If Bioware had infinite resources to spend on companion development, I'm sure we would have many more romancable characters, both straight, and bi (maybe even ones who are gay or lesbian only). But there are limits here.

[caeron99]

Magilicotti wrote...

Wow, to be honest, the OP sounds like he fell in love with Alistair himself, and is angry that he can't have him. I wonder if he realizes it's only a game, and within this game, Alistair doesn't wish to be homosexual.

So you trash the game because of this, can only state what I have said is true, which I can only respond by saying buck up, it's only a video game.

I am angry because the game designers thought enough to notice, but didnt' think enough to realize that there is NO need to define an NPCs sexuality.  who cares except the player of that particular game?  Why define any character's sexuality.  I can promise you that no character's sexuality was pre-defined that might cause a problem for the straight boys playing this game.  I bet if morrigan wouldnt' put out, there would be plenty of screaming.

I've plenty of straight only games, and moved on, but when you try to make the point that you're with it, and then give me throw away stuff, it pisses me off.

[caeron99]

lordhugorune wrote...

The issue, caeron, is that you're in a roleplaying game. The characters are the way they are. They don't change based on the way that you play the game. Their reactions to you will change, but you can't change *them* into something that they're not. And neither Zevran or Leliana are throwaway characters. You may not like them, but the fact of the matter is that they are both credible and interesting.
If Bioware had infinite resources to spend on companion development, I'm sure we would have many more romancable characters, both straight, and bi (maybe even ones who are gay or lesbian only). But there are limits here.

No.  Bioware could maek them complete and reasonable responsive to character interaction.  They choose to define them as particular sexualities to simplify thngs.  I personally think that has more to say about their hang ups than the game.