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[Varenus Luckmann]

Of course PC is superior. It's always been superior. Why the need to create a thread? Isn't it already obvious?

[AngelofDeth99]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

Craig McDermott wrote...
Well my guess is the Xbox version will be 720p max.  So I'd say any PC that can run it above 720p with a little AA and AF would make it look significantly better than either console.  Probably any PC with a dual core CPU, enough RAM (at least 2gb in Vista), and an 8800 GTS or equivalent GPU.

Perhaps, but that's a decent gaming PC, and likely a good bit above average when all PC users are considered.

Thats a mid-range gaming PC. Thats about what I have, which outperforms consoles in all performance areas by a large margin. Its average compared to the guys with i7s and dual 5870s. I don't really think comparing it to the non-gaming PCs is really fair, but even the PCs sold at walmart would whip the consoles with just a gfx card upgrade, and thats less than a $100 upgrade.

[Twitchmonkey]

AngelofDeth99 wrote...

Thats a mid-range gaming PC. Thats about what I have, which outperforms consoles in all performance areas by a large margin. Its average compared to the guys with i7s and dual 5870s. I don't really think comparing it to the non-gaming PCs is really fair, but even the PCs sold at walmart would whip the consoles with just a gfx card upgrade, and thats less than a $100 upgrade.

Making the ultimate cost of the PC, what, $1000? More? Compare that to a $300 console. And this is assuming you go out and buy that PC right now to play current games. If you would have bought that PC 4 years ago, you could not say the same thing, and I doubt people that tend to keep their gaming on their console upgrade more often than that.

[Arachija]

When looking for a pc, you should always get the best you can buy. Now compare that to an xbox - where you can't scale it to suit your needs. Then compare it to PS3, a little close to a pc but by no means better than x360.



Does saying PC count as shouting?

[Craig McDermott]

Twitchmonkey wrote...

Making the ultimate cost of the PC, what, $1000? More? Compare that to a $300 console. And this is assuming you go out and buy that PC right now to play current games. If you would have bought that PC 4 years ago, you could not say the same thing, and I doubt people that tend to keep their gaming on their console upgrade more often than that.

Most people with enough disposable income to buy game consoles have a PC already.  Even a 4-year-old PC like the one you mentioned in your post could probably be upgraded to demolish any console for under $100.  People tend to overestimate the costs of PC's and the power of consoles.  You don't have to have a setup like that guy in this thread who was bragging about his overpriced 30" Dell monitor and SLI'd GTX 295's to make Dragon Age look better on a PC than an Xbox.

[xODD7BALLx]

Craig McDermott wrote...

Twitchmonkey wrote...

Well, define decent. I tend to find that you need a fairly good PC to actually give it a noticeable graphical improvement over the console version. Not OMGUBER, but still a bit better than the average PC if you account for all types of PC users.

Well my guess is the Xbox version will be 720p max.  So I'd say any PC that can run it above 720p with a little AA and AF would make it look significantly better than either console.  Probably any PC with a dual core CPU, enough RAM (at least 2gb in Vista), and an 8800 GTS or equivalent GPU.

ScottyScott3 wrote...

I like getting it on console because of the achievements. But not sure if I should get it for PC or 360 now.

I guess it would depend on how important those achievements are to you. Are they more important than improved visuals and the toolset that come with the PC version?

What are the specs on your PC?  Depending on your setup it might look significantly better or the difference might not be noticible.  I'd say if you think you can max the game then go with the PC version for sure.

Yeah I guess that's why my 360 outputs at 1080p and my bravia reads and displays at 1080p.

Also here's a nice tidbit of information regarding resolutions noticible at X size at X distance etc.
www.everythinghdtv.com/hdtv-buyers-guide/resolution

You may say "well my video card can go up to X - X resolution which is actually larger than 1080p or 1440p. That's awesome but it really doesnt make any difference if you have a monitor less than 30". Some will also argue that the AA on 360 or PS3 is inferior to that of a high end PC vid card, running your AA full blast with all the bells and whistles on and your PC's performance will take a hit if you dont have a decent cpu. Are textures displayed any different not so much, depends on how the developer handled compression for each platform.

Fallout 3's only difference on High End PC's vs Consoles(PS3 360) was a slight(i'm being generous) dif in AA to the 360(until the patch released from Bethesda both enhanced the lighting, rendering of textures, and AA) then the dif wasn't noticable unless you pressed your face against the screen, the PS3 still suffers in AA, though many will say PS3 is superior to everything period for some reason just because of Blu-Ray(which to note an upscaling DVD player will give you damn close to Blu-Ray quality, minus the audio of course).
Dead Space same situation though the PS3 rendered dmap shadows as if they were post raytraced shadows(a good thing).

The point is this is always the type of speculation or conversation that will go on for eons, some PC gamers(and I say that with so much love I really do, being a PC gamer as well) still to this day think CRTs are superior to LCD monitors, even with the overhaul in advanced tech applied to LCDs, my point with that statement is old habits die hard and some things are always about preference.

My biggest factor in any entertainment related question I may be dealing with is, "comfort", Dragon Age being a long ass game, with plenty of DLC in store(if you hate DLC or the NPC thing pay no mind to the DLC) to add more gameplay to your experience(s), I have a nice desk and fairly good chair, dual 24" monitors, wireless mouse and keyboard, so there is comfort there. But compared to my nice leather lazyboy in the den with my 46" Sony LCD running at 1080p @ 240Hz, 7.1 digital surround, and to top it off a Captain and Coke to boot, that destroys my idea of playing long games on PC, sorry, I just dont feel like being hunched at my PC for this one, and it will as with Mass Effect which I have on both PC and 360 look better on my TV because I have a quality display.

FPS, and RTS no doubt better on PC, kill faster with a mouse and ease of manuevering troops in an RTS with hotkeys and a mouse.

All I'm saying is you're going to find a thousand if not more opinions on the matter but do right by you, nobody here is going to buy the game for you, and you cant track us down for listening to us if you are dissapointed in buying DA for platform X because you listened to people who are again not paying for your game.

And yes I'm also an Achievement junkie.

[Craig McDermott]

Operative84 wrote...

Yeah I guess that's why my 360 outputs at 1080p and my bravia reads and displays at 1080p.

Only a handful of 360 games are native 1080p.  Most of the games on Xbox have lower native resolutions and your TV upscales them.

Operative84 wrote...
Some will also argue that the AA on 360 or PS3 is inferior to that of a high end PC vid card, running your AA full blast with all the bells and whistles on and your PC's performance will take a hit if you dont have a decent cpu. Are textures displayed any different not so much, depends on how the developer handled compression for each platform.

I think everyone would argue that AA is superior on a high end PC video card.  Neither console can approach the amount of AA possible on a PC with a modern game.  Also AA loads your GPU, not your CPU.  Finally, textures look a hell of a lot better on a PC.  Technologies like antistropic filtering, SSAO, parralax mapping, and (soon to be released in DX11) tessellation make a world of difference.

Operative84 wrote...
Fallout 3's only difference on High End PC's vs Consoles(PS3 360) was a slight(i'm being generous) dif in AA to the 360

This was a really bad example.  Fallout 3 probably has one of the largest gaps in visuals between the PC and consoles.  There are texture mods out there that that increase texture resolutions ridicuously.  Graphics mods combined with massive AA and AF make Fallout 3 look like a different game on a high end PC.

Operative84 wrote...
Blu-Ray(which to note an upscaling DVD player will give you damn close to Blu-Ray quality, minus the audio of course).

You've got to be kidding me.  Unless you're watching on an old black and white CRT, upscaled 480p DVD looks like total crap compared to Blu-Ray.  Seriously, get a PS3 or a BD player and try it out.

Operative84 wrote...
The point is this is always the type of speculation or conversation that will go on for eons, some PC gamers(and I say that with so much love I really do, being a PC gamer as well) still to this day think CRTs are superior to LCD monitors, even with the overhaul in advanced tech applied to LCDs, my point with that statement is old habits die hard and some things are always about preference.

Who thinks this???

Operative84 wrote...
FPS, and RTS no doubt better on PC, kill faster with a mouse and ease of manuevering troops in an RTS with hotkeys and a mouse.

Only sensible thing in your entire post.

[boe2]

Craig, you need to chill out mate. They way you are agressively (really, calm down, you sound angry for some reason) promote the pc really isn't needed here. The fact that you only agree with the positive things he said about the pc is just...sad.



To the OP: If you got the pc to run it at a decent quality, get the PC version. Otherwise get the xbox version. Both versions are graphically impressive and have good controls and the pc version has the modding potential as a bonus.

[Craig McDermott]

boe2 wrote...

Craig, you need to chill out mate. They way you are agressively (really, calm down, you sound angry for some reason) promote the pc really isn't needed here. The fact that you only agree with the positive things he said about the pc is just...sad.

Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I'm angry or aggressive. I'm simply stating the facts and refuting some misinformation. I own both consoles and a PC, and I promote whichever deserves to be promoted.  The advice in your post is the exact same advice that I give out: if you've got the PC to run it, get the PC version, otherwise get a console version.

When someone comes out and says that a game looks better on one system when it doesn't, or that upscaled DVD's are on par with BD, or that CRT's are superior to LCD's, I'm going to refute it.

Modifié par Craig McDermott, 28 octobre 2009 - 08:40 .

[xODD7BALLx]

Craig McDermott wrote...

Operative84 wrote...

Yeah I guess that's why my 360 outputs at 1080p and my bravia reads and displays at 1080p.

Only a handful of 360 games are native 1080p.  Most of the games on Xbox have lower native resolutions and your TV upscales them.

Operative84 wrote...
Some will also argue that the AA on 360 or PS3 is inferior to that of a high end PC vid card, running your AA full blast with all the bells and whistles on and your PC's performance will take a hit if you dont have a decent cpu. Are textures displayed any different not so much, depends on how the developer handled compression for each platform.

I think everyone would argue that AA is superior on a high end PC video card.  Neither console can approach the amount of AA possible on a PC with a modern game.  Also AA loads your GPU, not your CPU.  Finally, textures look a hell of a lot better on a PC.  Technologies like antistropic filtering, SSAO, parralax mapping, and (soon to be released in DX11) tessellation make a world of difference.

Operative84 wrote...
Fallout 3's only difference on High End PC's vs Consoles(PS3 360) was a slight(i'm being generous) dif in AA to the 360

This was a really bad example.  Fallout 3 probably has one of the largest gaps in visuals between the PC and consoles.  There are texture mods out there that that increase texture resolutions ridicuously.  Graphics mods combined with massive AA and AF make Fallout 3 look like a different game on a high end PC.

Operative84 wrote...
Blu-Ray(which to note an upscaling DVD player will give you damn close to Blu-Ray quality, minus the audio of course).

You've got to be kidding me.  Unless you're watching on an old black and white CRT, upscaled 480p DVD looks like total crap compared to Blu-Ray.  Seriously, get a PS3 or a BD player and try it out.

Operative84 wrote...
The point is this is always the type of speculation or conversation that will go on for eons, some PC gamers(and I say that with so much love I really do, being a PC gamer as well) still to this day think CRTs are superior to LCD monitors, even with the overhaul in advanced tech applied to LCDs, my point with that statement is old habits die hard and some things are always about preference.

Who thinks this???

Operative84 wrote...
FPS, and RTS no doubt better on PC, kill faster with a mouse and ease of manuevering troops in an RTS with hotkeys and a mouse.

Only sensible thing in your entire post.

Holy ****, people cant say a goddamn word on here without pissing in someones cereal, everything on here is an opinion anyways dude ****.

I have a Blu-Ray player yay!!! Predator on DVD in the upscaler looks pretty close to Blu-Ray, and let me top that sentence off with "In My Opinion", so you dont feel the need to act like your a tech genius, that needs to state that you're right everyone else is wrong and they should buy what you tell em too.

You bash a console every chance you get, I know you have a PS3 and according to you MGS looks horrible on it compared to what your PC can do or any PC to you with only a 100 bucks to upgrade a 4 year old PC etc BASH CONSOLE.

The guy asked for opinions, thats all he needs not some rhetoric about how PC is God and consoles are sheep, Fallout 3 is a title a lot of people have played for all platforms in question, and there isnt much difference, I'm not talking about a MOD that can do this or that, I'm talking about game as is and as intended.

Unless you're buying the game for him try not to be so biased about what you say, as if it were a fact of the matter and there is only your word, and nobody elses matters.

And I didnt mean I think CRTs are better god why would I think that, I'm saying to this day there are still some that believe they are, because of preference or old habits what they're used to damn,.

My main opinion was comfort, and I see you had no comment about that, or the fact that resolution doesnt really mean any legible differrence without size.

Cant wait to see the reply that I'm an idiot and so forth from this, and XBOX and PS3 sucks and PC is the greatest, and **** man I'm a PC gamer as well, I just have preference as I stated. It wasnt to spite you or something damn.

Lol I bet you throw a temper tantrum every time an Mac commercial airs on TV dont you.

Modifié par Operative84, 28 octobre 2009 - 03:45 .

[Craig McDermott]

Operative84 wrote...

Holy ****, people cant say a goddamn word on here without pissing in someones cereal, everything on here is an opinion anyways dude ****.

I have a Blu-Ray player yay!!! Predator on DVD in the upscaler looks better than it does on Blu-Ray, and let me top that sentence off with "In My Opinion", so you dont feel the need to act like your a tech genius, that needs to state that you're right everyone else is wrong and they should buy what you tell em too.

Lmao, ok man that is fine and you are entitled to your opinion.  But when you are giving A/V advice to people you might want to preface your statement with the fact that you are in a tiny minority on this particular topic.  I think 99% of people probably think that Blu-Rays look better than upscaled DVD's.

Operative84 wrote...
You bash a console every chance you get, I know you have a PS3 and according to you MGS looks horrible on it compared to what your PC can do or any PC to you with only a 100 bucks to upgrade a 4 year old PC etc BASH CONSOLE.

I call it like I see it.  When I encounter a game on my Xbox that looks better than what I see on my PC, I'll be sure to let you know.

Operative84 wrote...
The guy asked for opinions, thats all he needs not some rhetoric about how PC is God and consoles are sheep, Fallout 3 is a title a lot of people have played for all platforms in question, and there isnt much difference, I'm not talking about a MOD that can do this or that, I'm talking about game as is and as intended.

Right he asked for opinions... which might include opinions in favor the PC version as well.  You can recommend Xbox if you want, that's fine.  But most will agree that if you've got the PC hardware to run it, the PC version is the way to go.

Operative84 wrote...
Unless you're buying the game for him try not to be so biased about what you say, as if it were a fact of the matter and there is only your word, and nobody elses matters.

TBH most of the stuff you're referring to was directed at you, not OP.  My advice to OP has always been simple: PC if you can run it, Xbox/PS3 otherwise.

I just had to write a reply to your post because it included some of the craziest **** I've ever read, like the DVD > Blu-Ray and CRT > LCD.

[xODD7BALLx]

seriously, did I state in that paragraph that ALL DVDs played via a device that upscales are on par(hell I didnt even say anything was par to begin with) with any and all Blu-Ray titles?
No I sure as hell didnt. If you need par for the win and you miss and putt again for bogey it aint par is it, you lose right?

As to this ****,
Operative84 wrote...
The point is this is always the type of speculation or conversation that will go on for eons, some PC gamers(and I say that with so much love I really do, being a PC gamer as well) still to this day think CRTs are superior to LCD monitors, even with the overhaul in advanced tech applied to LCDs, my point with that statement is old habits die hard and some things are always about preference.

Read that again when did I say I felt CRTs were better? I didnt I said some PC gamers still to this day.
I never said Blu-Ray wasnt better than DVD, when did I say this??
I didnt you go off on a tangent about **** I didnt even say because you feel that if anyone says anything except: " PC rules, nothing but PC in the history of gaming has made any impact whatsoever, consoles all suck even Atari, even Jaguar, even Sega, even Nintendo, and MAC sucks too because it's not PC."
And again you have nothing to say to the fact that resolution doesnt mean dick if you dont have a sizeable display to back it up with.

Modifié par Operative84, 28 octobre 2009 - 09:28 .

[Arttis]

Yes PC is better.But find a PC that can work this game for only $200.

[xODD7BALLx]

Yeah that's a good point, $59.99 and assurance it will function properly on a platform you have in your possession, or between 100 for vid card to hell could be any amount, unless you your cpu is up to date, if not can you get another sure, but you may have to get a new motherboard if your cpu is not only outdated but the pin config is not compatible with a good and reasonably priced cpu, hope you have ram as well all those possibilities plus the cost of the game. all good points.

Modifié par Operative84, 28 octobre 2009 - 09:39 .

[BluesMan1956]

Craig McDermott wrote...

BluesMan1956 wrote...

If you have $300-$400 to spend you can get a graphics card that is significantly more powerful than anything in a console. Hell for $400 you could probably build an entire PC that would crush a console's performance. You could definitely get a graphics card, CPU and mobo.

Twitchmonkey wrote...

You can talk about graphics and performance all you want, but chances are the console versions will look and play great.

The graphics might look ok by console standards, but you can't argue that they will be on par with a decent PC.

I've got $400 right here.  Build that PC for me.

Modifié par BluesMan1956, 28 octobre 2009 - 09:39 .

[Guy4142]

It's true, but then a PC game was always going to be better on PC, it just makes sense.

But the only thing that matters is your personal prefrence.

Also this game will be better on PS3 if they do a good job, personal preference aside.

[xODD7BALLx]

here we go again, yeah youre so right, like everyone says PC is the greatest thing of all time, they're even better than modern anti-biotics, they should just liquify PCs and inject them into our blood stream because that's how awesome and righteous PC is right guys.

lol this has got to be one of the worst forum/communities(and the attitude towards other peoples property and how they chose it instead of something you feel is better, aint a community) I've ever had the misfortune of being a part of.

Some of you folks need to realize one day that not everything in this world is going to be to your exact specifications, for some people that enjoy and appreciate the things they have even when its PC , XBOX, etc, they're wrong because they dont adhere to your ideals that anything but "your" preference is not permitted. I usually get on here and see if any new things have surfaced or such, and chime in here and there in threads, but damn whats the point.

Modifié par Operative84, 28 octobre 2009 - 09:52 .

[Sono47]

hehe Ohhh that brings memories back of many an hour spent back in the day at school arguing with my console challenged friends :-)

[AngelofDeth99]

BluesMan1956 wrote...

Craig McDermott wrote...

BluesMan1956 wrote...

If you have $300-$400 to spend you can get a graphics card that is significantly more powerful than anything in a console. Hell for $400 you could probably build an entire PC that would crush a console's performance. You could definitely get a graphics card, CPU and mobo.

Twitchmonkey wrote...

You can talk about graphics and performance all you want, but chances are the console versions will look and play great.

The graphics might look ok by console standards, but you can't argue that they will be on par with a decent PC.

I've got $400 right here.  Build that PC for me.

If your starting from nothing, obviously $400 won't get you all the way there. But the same can be said of a console. That $200 console price goes up awful quick if you don't have an HDTV...

[xODD7BALLx]

Sono47 wrote...

hehe Ohhh that brings memories back of many an hour spent back in the day at school arguing with my console challenged friends :-)

just that man is that neccessary do you feel better now? or do you get a kick out of making people think their property aint worth **** in your eyes.

I'm fortunate enough that I have a good PC, I have a 360, have blu-ray player not PS3, but some folks may only have enough to afford a sorry going to use the forbidden word "consoles", and not have money to dump into a pc every 6mos to a year for upgrades.

lol yeah I'm sure it would but their isnt a requirement on whether your TV is HD or your monitor for your PC can support a high res, the issue was about the PC hardware being up to standards for the game to run, it may but it's overall quality may be low as hell if it plays at all as is. But with his console he already has a display obviously, he can simply pay for the game and the game alone.

Modifié par Operative84, 28 octobre 2009 - 10:00 .

[BluesMan1956]

AngelofDeth99 wrote...

If your starting from nothing, obviously $400 won't get you all the way there. But the same can be said of a console. That $200 console price goes up awful quick if you don't have an HDTV...

Yes I am starting from nothing..  I haven't bought a PC in 10 years (using a work MacBook right now)  now WHAT Is the cheapest route?

[Mordaedil]

It's not really a matter of consoles versus PC's, if you think about it. There are plenty of stupid people playing PC games as well, just try to play on a Battlefield 1942 server, or a Counter-Strike server. They are no better people than the "frat-boys" who sit on X-box Live and scream their lungs out, or play Halo 3 the whole semester.

It's all a matter of how you, as a person, act and behave. I could mention several people on these forums I've been laughing at, but I have to say I don't really find most peoples attitudes in this thread appealing.

Grow some neutrality.

[xODD7BALLx]

Mordaedil wrote...

It's not really a matter of consoles versus PC's, if you think about it. There are plenty of stupid people playing PC games as well, just try to play on a Battlefield 1942 server, or a Counter-Strike server. They are no better people than the "frat-boys" who sit on X-box Live and scream their lungs out, or play Halo 3 the whole semester.

It's all a matter of how you, as a person, act and behave. I could mention several people on these forums I've been laughing at, but I have to say I don't really find most peoples attitudes in this thread appealing.

Grow some neutrality.

I'm just taking a poke in the dark at this and assuming that aint directed at me, it shouldnt if you've read through this cluster **** of people who hate anything thats not PC, when the reason this thread was started was just for some relation of opinion on PC or 360, but as always and really this is the worst bunch of die hard PC is it nothing else matters people I've ever encountered saying "is this really a question, PC is awesome consoles suck", "a 4 year old PC plus $100 could stomp a console any day" I mean really, can you not be biased for a bit?

And not go off on people for their opinions just because even though they are both a console and a pc gamer, the fact that they have a preference for the 360 version of this game causes a problem with some folks on these forums.

For instance, what do you prefer for this game as it's platform?  :

I'd like it on PC just because of the MODs that will no doubt be available and I just have added high end hardware to help the performance and quality of this game on PC, and I prefer keyboard and mouse.

And how about you? :

360 just because I think it's a pretty long and in depth game and I prefer sitting on the couch with my feet propped up and comfortable, the controls may be a bit tricky at first but ME and KOTOR were easy for me to pick up so I'll be fine, and I have a really nice TV and I dont strain my eyes with it's size.

But nooooo, cant be at all like that I come in here to give my opinion and screw consoles PC is better, hands down, and this is how great PC is consoles arent ****.

It's pointless.

Modifié par Operative84, 28 octobre 2009 - 10:20 .