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[BluesMan1956]

Mordaedil wrote...

It's not really a matter of consoles versus PC's,

You're right, it's a matter of money, as implied in my original post

Mordaedil wrote...

Grow some neutrality

I don't know if this was directed at me. I know I can be abrasive (which is why my boss doesn't trust me to take the lead in politically sensitive issues....)

[apoc_reg]

While i think Craig Mcdermott is being a little know it all above... he is correct.

[AngelofDeth99]

BluesMan1956 wrote...

AngelofDeth99 wrote...

If your starting from nothing, obviously $400 won't get you all the way there. But the same can be said of a console. That $200 console price goes up awful quick if you don't have an HDTV...

Yes I am starting from nothing..  I haven't bought a PC in 10 years (using a work MacBook right now)  now WHAT Is the cheapest route?

Ahh, thought you were just baiting the guy who said you could build a pc for $400 lol (actually not sure if he actually said that), but if you need everything, its obviously going to cost a lot more than $400. I would guess you could build just the tower and OS, for around $600, possibly less depending on where you wanted to skrimp.

[xODD7BALLx]

BluesMan1956 wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

It's not really a matter of consoles versus PC's,

You're right, it's a matter of money, as implied in my original post

Mordaedil wrote...

Grow some neutrality

I don't know if this was directed at me. I know I can be abrasive (which is why my boss doesn't trust me to take the lead in politically sensitive issues....)

Ok since you're starting from scratch the ideal thing for you to do is look at what type of PC do you want, laptop or desktop? Just so you can build up from that foundation and get pricing ideas.

Then incorporate the type of hardware preferably the recommended requirements for this game, and the other essentials keyboard mouse etc, and then a decent monitor so you dont wear your eyes out.

once you have a solid price figured out, compare to other platforms the game is available on, which is PS3 and 360,  look at features, like PS3 comes with a blu ray player so you can watch HD movies, but if you dont have an HDTV then there isnt much of a point for that feature but in the future you may get an HDTV then it's a nice thing to have.

360s have a better online service, you have to pay a monthly fee but it's dependable and not overloaded with cheating and anything along those lines, but if you're not into multiplayer gaming that's not a big deal, 360 along with PC is getting Mass Effect 2, PS3 is not, both consoles get titles the other does not if you favor BioWare games you may sway towards 360.

After you see what you'd need for each path then you can base a decision on your finances.

[BewareTheDrow]

AngelofDeth99 wrote...
If your starting from nothing, obviously $400 won't get you all the way there. But the same can be said of a console. That $200 console price goes up awful quick if you don't have an HDTV...

Its not that much more to buy a decent computer for gaming....just need to look around.

$479 pc (including decent monitor) $449 with promo code EMCMLMS22

http://www.newegg.co...-L0C-_-83103221

$74.99 9800 GT

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814133279

Add about $7 shipping on the PC (video card has free shipping) and you wind up with a total of about $560.99 for a respectable gaming pc. If you bought the xbox 360 at release and you think THAT is more expensive than consoles, you're delusional.

You could also shave about another 100-200 off if you build it yourself, have access to other things already. (monitor/keyboard/case/windows software) My recent pc rebuild cost me $250 or so.

Modifié par BewareTheDrow, 28 octobre 2009 - 10:32 .

[xODD7BALLx]

www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp

219.99
There is a decent barebones kit, with a decent video card.

You would need of course an OS, Vista and Win 7 are still pricey and XP Pro is good so:

www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp

139.99

Monitors range from decent ones anyways from 120-200+

and a stick or so of ram and basic mouse keyboard etc.

that plus shipping and such then could be 500-650

[BluesMan1956]

BewareTheDrow wrote...

AngelofDeth99 wrote...
If your starting from nothing, obviously $400 won't get you all the way there. But the same can be said of a console. That $200 console price goes up awful quick if you don't have an HDTV...

Its not that much more to buy a decent computer for gaming....just need to look around.

$479 pc (including decent monitor) $449 with promo code EMCMLMS22

http://www.newegg.co...-L0C-_-83103221

$74.99 9800 GT

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814133279

Add about $7 shipping on the PC (video card has free shipping) and you wind up with a total of about $560.99 for a respectable gaming pc. If you bought the xbox 360 at release and you think THAT is more expensive than consoles, you're delusional.

You could also shave about another 100-200 off if you build it yourself, have access to other things already. (monitor/keyboard/case/windows software) My recent pc rebuild cost me $250 or so.

Does that include the OS?

I went with the build-it-yourself route one Christmas a few years ago.  I ain't doing that again!  Personally, I would rather just buy a console and ENJOY the time playing a game rather than pully my hair out trying to assemble a PC that would run DA:O

[Sono47]

Operative84 wrote...

just that man is that neccessary do you feel better now? or do you get a kick out of making people think their property aint worth **** in your eyes.

Wow dude the last part of the comment was made in jest as a marker to my bias a chill pill or hit of caffine might be in order, there was no malice intended. It was simply a case of 3 friends had consoles and used to always gang up in our school yard debates on me the PC nerd. It brought back fond memories is all. Didnt stop me going to their house to play Zelda or them to mine to play DOOM.

TBH each has strengths and weaknesses although my PC has never burst into flames :-). Personally I can't really afford a console or justify the cost to own both a PC and Console, I have a PC as it serves me many functions work and play. But if I was to play Racing, Fighting, or GTA style games I would choose the console, If I was to play FPS, RPG , RTS I would lean towards the PC. The console would also have the edge when it comes to a friday night a case of beer and 3 mates on the couch. Then again make it a long weekend 5 cases of beer 10 mates and the tide turns back to the PC. Horses for courses.

[xODD7BALLx]

@ BluesMan1956

for a 360 plus game 309.58 plus tax for a Pro system with Hard Drive and Wireless Controller and Dragon Age, and 2 free games come in the 360 box.

for a PS3 279.99-299.99 plus 59.99 so between 339.98 and 359.98 plus tax for console and Dragon Age

also if you go the console route get from somewhere that offers replacement if it messes up, PS3 came out with a new version and 360 is phasing out old skus, so that being said if you got the sku that gets phased out by either company and yours messes up with a replacement plan, you get a new model.

hope all that helps
either way you can afford to go PC, PS3, 360 I'm sure you'll enjoy the game nonetheless

Modifié par Operative84, 28 octobre 2009 - 10:52 .

[xODD7BALLx]

Sono47 wrote...

Operative84 wrote...

just that man is that neccessary do you feel better now? or do you get a kick out of making people think their property aint worth **** in your eyes.

Wow dude the last part of the comment was made in jest as a marker to my bias a chill pill or hit of caffine might be in order, there was no malice intended. It was simply a case of 3 friends had consoles and used to always gang up in our school yard debates on me the PC nerd. It brought back fond memories is all. Didnt stop me going to their house to play Zelda or them to mine to play DOOM.

TBH each has strengths and weaknesses although my PC has never burst into flames :-). Personally I can't really afford a console or justify the cost to own both a PC and Console, I have a PC as it serves me many functions work and play. But if I was to play Racing, Fighting, or GTA style games I would choose the console, If I was to play FPS, RPG , RTS I would lean towards the PC. The console would also have the edge when it comes to a friday night a case of beer and 3 mates on the couch. Then again make it a long weekend 5 cases of beer 10 mates and the tide turns back to the PC. Horses for courses.

well apologies, but you came into a room of folks pissing on eachother for nothing and I was to the point I just assumed you were one of them

[BluesMan1956]

Operative84 wrote...

@ BluesMan1956

for a 360 plus game 309.58 plus tax for a Pro system with Hard Drive and Wireless Controller and Dragon Age, and 2 free games come in the 360 box.

for a PS3 279.99-299.99 plus 59.99 so between 339.98 and 359.98 plus tax for console and Dragon Age

hope all that helps
either way you can afford to go PC, PS3, 360 I'm sure you'll enjoy the game nonetheless

Thanks for your helpful messages. I already own a 360 and it serves my gaming needs.  I can understand why it would not meet the expectations of others, tho.   To each his own.  One size does not fit all (ARE YOU LISTENING PRESIDENT OBAMA?)

[xODD7BALLx]

oh ok man, np, my Gtag is Operative84 by the way obviously.

[Sono47]

Operative84 wrote...

well apologies, but you came into a room of folks pissing on eachother for nothing and I was to the point I just assumed you were one of them

No prob man I know its a debate that can easily become heated gamers are passionate people. If only we could use our gaming skills for good instead of evil..........

Ohh and I would prefer little injected PC's or Consoles over antibiotics one day mark my word antibiotics will be the death of us all. :-)

[xODD7BALLx]

Sono47 wrote...

Operative84 wrote...

well apologies, but you came into a room of folks pissing on eachother for nothing and I was to the point I just assumed you were one of them

No prob man I know its a debate that can easily become heated gamers are passionate people. If only we could use our gaming skills for good instead of evil..........

Ohh and I would prefer little injected PC's or Consoles over antibiotics one day mark my word antibiotics will be the death of us all. :-)

Yeah I know man it has just seemed like here in this "community" if you say console you better run for cover, and yes adapting to antibodies, viruses mutating, yeah I'm sure it's gonna bite everyone in the ass one day.
lol I hate meds anyways but this coming from a guy who gets a package of an assortment of pills and medicated lotion from the VA every month lol there are 4 pill bottles on my desk right now and 3 in the kitchen, yeah getting tired of meds. wish I could say I could be willful or strong enough without em.

[AngelofDeth99]

BluesMan1956 wrote...

BewareTheDrow wrote...

AngelofDeth99 wrote...
If your starting from nothing, obviously $400 won't get you all the way there. But the same can be said of a console. That $200 console price goes up awful quick if you don't have an HDTV...

Its not that much more to buy a decent computer for gaming....just need to look around.

$479 pc (including decent monitor) $449 with promo code EMCMLMS22

http://www.newegg.co...-L0C-_-83103221

$74.99 9800 GT

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814133279

Add about $7 shipping on the PC (video card has free shipping) and you wind up with a total of about $560.99 for a respectable gaming pc. If you bought the xbox 360 at release and you think THAT is more expensive than consoles, you're delusional.

You could also shave about another 100-200 off if you build it yourself, have access to other things already. (monitor/keyboard/case/windows software) My recent pc rebuild cost me $250 or so.

Does that include the OS?

I went with the build-it-yourself route one Christmas a few years ago.  I ain't doing that again!  Personally, I would rather just buy a console and ENJOY the time playing a game rather than pully my hair out trying to assemble a PC that would run DA:O

It does, but I wouldn't recommend that PC really, its a weak CPU and the PSU is only like 220w which would not support a gaming GPU. If your into gaming, building your own is really the way to go... Some people actually enjoy that aspect of it, although I suspect someone who hasnt bought a PC in 10 years and is a Mac user are not amoung them.

[Grouchy1981]

The sooner we get a single gaming platform where developers can concentrate their efforts on one set of code the better. It'll mean we don't all get brain ache working our way through threads such as these to gleam the one or two pieces of actually useful information there is buried with in them.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

No thank you. A single platform will mean a monopoly and possibly an entirely closed system where you are at the mercy of the companies.

This is one of the reasons I like PC gaming. It's not a proprietary platform and neither Microsoft nor Sony nor Nintendo can tell me what I can or cannot do with it, what I can or cannot play on it, etc. I can tweak it to my heart's content, I can use parts from various vendors and not have to pay 10x market price for a hard-drive.

Competition is good.

Modifié par Kinthalis ThornBlade, 28 octobre 2009 - 11:28 .

[Sono47]

I must admit I have not posted on a gaming forum for many years and had forgotten what it was like. Stopped playing games for quite a while and have really gotten into gaming again recently downloading a few hacked games to play on my PC in single player mode to test the gaming waters and DA:O will be the 1st game I have brought in a long time. The last being Star Trek: Elite Force 1 not counting a bit of WoW.

I must say the PC to Console debate has far less merit then it used to once upon a time eg. SNES days there was a very noticeable difference in price and quality between the two platforms the gap and difference is far less these days console has closed the quality gap and PC has somewhat closed the price gap. PC's are still exy but not like they used to be they seem to hold value longer and are certainly cheaper, I recall saving $400 for 1mb of RAM. Good gaming PC can be had for far less then it used too but it will inevitably need an upgrade long before the console is superseeded.

I quite enjoy FPS and after 15 years of FPS with a mouse I simply can not retrain my brain to FPS with a gamepad. Yet racing with a gamepad feels natural. I geuss th e point there is DA:O will be well I hope a rather long game so aiming for A) what you can afford  What you would feel most comfortable with for such an expansive game. C) What else you plan to use the platform for.

Modifié par Sono47, 28 octobre 2009 - 11:37 .

[Shinclone]

I'm actually getting it on both the pc and 360. The former for the mods & cheating once I've completed it, the latter for achievments.

[AngelofDeth99]

I agree completly about PC, and about a "unified" platform or whatever being an ideal. The consoles as they are are, are already bad enough with one company controlling everything. One company controlling everything would just be a nightmare, even if it was a consortium, there'd still be no competition.

[BewareTheDrow]

AngelofDeth99 wrote...
It does, but I wouldn't recommend that PC really, its a weak CPU and the PSU is only like 220w which would not support a gaming GPU. If your into gaming, building your own is really the way to go... Some people actually enjoy that aspect of it, although I suspect someone who hasnt bought a PC in 10 years and is a Mac user are not amoung them.

Agreed that the computer I listed is far from optimal, but there is a reason that the video card I linked is the energy efficient version of the card (to match the PSU). I fully endorse building your own computer if at all possible.

If I were to build a combo pc FOR someone, it would look like the following:

500w PSU, ATX Raidmax Case, 3.1 ghz Phenom II x2 Callisto, Radeon 4670 = $229.98
http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.274413

Gigabyte GA-M770T-UD3P AM3 Motherboard (my board!) + 4 GB Kingston Dual Channel DDR 1333 = $158.98
http://www.newegg.co...st=Combo.270869

LG 22" monitor @ 1680x1050 (my monitor!) = $139.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16824005132

Razer Deathadder Mouse + Throwaway Keyboard (because I always spill stuff on my KB) = $46.98
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16826153007
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16823109032

Creative Fatality Headset (My headset, really like this one) = $29.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16826158082

OEM Windows XP Disk = $136.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16832116515

Newegg hits me with about $20 in shipping, so that brings the total cost of this to about $760. I consider the XP disk, monitor, headphones, mouse, and keyboard all secondary costs as many people already have them. If you do, the cost of the computer is only about $410. If you have the Monitor, Keyboard, Mouse, Speakers and don't have an XP disk lying around, its about $530. All in all a lot more reasonable than people realize.

[Grouchy1981]

Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

No thank you. A single platform will mean a monopoly and possibly an entirely closed system where you are at the mercy of the companies.

This is one of the reasons I like PC gaming. It's not a proprietary platform and neither Microsoft nor Sony nor Nintendo can tell me what I can or cannot do with it, what I can or cannot play on it, etc. I can tweak it to my heart's content, I can use parts from various vendors and not have to pay 10x market price for a hard-drive.

Competition is good.

Not if the single platform was a PC, it'll be about server based games which you can play on any hunk of crap out there. It's already on it's way with google's new OS. 

Back on topic, I'll be buying it for my 360 despite having a rig good enough to play it. I've read enough now to believe it'll still be great on console, if not the best. Little worried about the lack of public showings of the console versions but I sit at a PC all day in work so as long as it's ok on the 360 I'll gladly take the opportunity to relax on my couch.

[Maufurtado]

sighs.



There are a few differences, but, I doubt it will change the general feeling of the game. Now, lets move along, shall we?

[tinfish]

Ill be getting it on a console myself, due to my pc being well past its sell by date.

would prefer it on ps3, but they messed up the release, so it will be a 360 buy for me.



as for wich is better ? well isnt it obvious

morrowind 500 hours gaming due to mods.

Baldurs gate II, mods extended it.

Il2 1946 + mods = greatness

raven shield, mods

Vampire Bloodlines + mods.



I could go on and on.



mods mods mods.



one of these days sony or M$ will realise, that some lame ass pointless feature wont win them the console war, embracing the community will, let us create missions/mods on pc, and port to our consoles via usb stick. war won.



the refusal to embrace this is fairly simple, we wouldnt buy they're silly dlc like "horse armour"



however at the end of the day the simple fact of the matter is, this game will cost me £40 on xbox, buying a new pc to play it, would cost me £400 or so.



It isnt a matter of preference, but finances, if i had £400 to spend on something as trivial as a pc, i would already have done so.

[BluesMan1956]

AngelofDeth99 wrote...

It does, but I wouldn't recommend that PC really, its a weak CPU and the PSU is only like 220w which would not support a gaming GPU. If your into gaming, building your own is really the way to go... Some people actually enjoy that aspect of it, although I suspect someone who hasnt bought a PC in 10 years and is a Mac user are not amoung them.

Actually I am not a Mac user, but web-based apps I develop need to work on FireFox running on a Mac, which most of our faculty have.  So, the last time I was due for a laptop upgrade, I went with MacBook.