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[Raymond of Toulouse]

Hey, who at Bioware wrote the "Legend of Luthias the Dwarfson" in the Codex (under Books and Songs, I forget the number)?   You can obtain the legend from the Ash Warrior Leader before the battle at Ostagar if you choose to speak with him at length. 

In it, a warrior woman named Morrighan'nan seduced a hero named Luthias and had his baby?  She disappears from the picture, only to have her son by Luthias reappear later as a young man to fight his father and die by his hand?  Morrighan'nan and the hero end up slaying each other?  So, Luthias's fateful tryst with Morrighan'nan seals his eventual death? 

Morrighan'nan? C'mon...no other characters have any similarly named, plausible antecedents mentioned in the game (e.g., no Alistair'nans).  I hold the Bioware writers in great esteem, and thus find it hard to believe that the name is basically repeated here out of capriciousness.  Some of the events of the legend are strangely similar to the romance plotlines with Morrigan.  Yet the legend goes on and terminates in some very interesting ways, and these endings are all tied basically to Luthias and Morrighan'nan's own "night of passion," so-to-speak.   

The fact that Luthias's wife Scaea offers him protection the night before the battle in exchange for a night of passion is also eerily similar to Morrigan's quid pro quo arrangement on the eve of the battle against the archdemon - the "dark promise."  Although in the legend, the night of passion leads to the hero's death instead of his salvation.  And there is a third party in Scaea, the wife, which complicates matters.  But still, there is enough there to at least beg the question... 

Should I be looking between the lines in this particular story, Bioware, for future content possibilities?  The general framework of the story could easily be applied to our Grey Warden's situation.  The idea of an old-god and conflict between the PC and Morrigan and her son would still work, although the events are less...supernatural...in the legend.  I only mention this because I found this codex entry to support some of the rather interesting sequel/DLC speculation. 

[Nibblesthebunny]

Ah! GOOD WORK, DETECTIVE.



A feast for the hungry.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Meeh, too much spoiling?



I don't want to kill my kid. And I won't want to kill my Morrigan.

Hopefully they won't force us into this.

[Flamin Jesus]

Raymond of Toulouse wrote...

 I only mention this because I found this codex entry to support some of the rather interesting sequel/DLC speculation. 

Indeed it does, which is why I find it kind of cute that you actually expect them to answer your question and destroy all their carefully planted hints and speculation-fodder.

[BluesMan1956]

I think you are thinking too much. Just enjoy the game as written. It doesn't have to be analyzed to be enjoyed and stop with the pseudo-intellectual pretensiousness

[Raymond of Toulouse]

Flamin Jesus wrote...

Raymond of Toulouse wrote...

 I only mention this because I found this codex entry to support some of the rather interesting sequel/DLC speculation. 

Indeed it does, which is why I find it kind of cute that you actually expect them to answer your question and destroy all their carefully planted hints and speculation-fodder.

Haha, of course no one at Bioware will answer.  I just want it there for the record.  I love pulling at straws.

[Flamin Jesus]

But I'm sure the legend isn't there for no reason at all, it's at least foreshadowing during the game, maybe it also tells of things yet to come. I assume it does, but we won't know for sure until then.

[David Gaider]

No foreshadowing. That particular legend was written well before the game, by James Ohlen. Any similarities are coincidental, unless you really prefer to think otherwise.

[Wintermist]

And it would be a strange world indeed if no two people should be named the very same thing.

[David Gaider]

Wintermist wrote...
And it would be a strange world indeed if no two people should be named the very same thing.

Hey now, that's crazy talk. The fact that we have a character named Loghain *clearly* means he must have been inspired by an eponymous character in the Wheel of Time series. It's the only explanation.

[Kyrellic]

We heard it here first!

David Gaider wrote...
...we have a character named Loghain *clearly* ... inspired by ... the Wheel of Time series...

Done, just because somebody out there will have read exactly that version, regardless of the rest of the context and content.
Of course, I don't see my Morrigan running around acting much like the mythological version of her from Ireland...

[Mary Kirby]

I am waiting for the speculation on the sequel that stems from the fluffy mackerel pudding recipe in the codex. There's no way that was put in there on a whim: It must hint at a plot about horrible fish dishes.

[Wintermist]

Mary Kirby wrote...

I am waiting for the speculation on the sequel that stems from the fluffy mackerel pudding recipe in the codex. There's no way that was put in there on a whim: It must hint at a plot about horrible fish dishes.

Atleast we can be sure something fishy will be going on and the hero will have to gut to the bottom of it.

[Wintermist]

David Gaider wrote...

Wintermist wrote...
And it would be a strange world indeed if no two people should be named the very same thing.

Hey now, that's crazy talk. The fact that we have a character named Loghain *clearly* means he must have been inspired by an eponymous character in the Wheel of Time series. It's the only explanation.

Oh don't you dare mention that series. He wrote all those books, but decided to grow wings and ascend before writing the very last one... If George R.R. Martin does the same thing, I shall... probably cry..

[David Gaider]

I await the first person who actually *makes* that fluffy mackerel pudding, considering it comes from a real recipe. I'm eager to finally know what constitutes a "fluffy" pudding. Or, for that matter, a fluffy mackerel.

[Flamin Jesus]

David Gaider wrote...

No foreshadowing. That particular legend was written well before the game, by James Ohlen. Any similarities are coincidental, unless you really prefer to think otherwise.

But then again, you lie! LIE! You enjoy it! It is save to assume the opposite of what you're saying! ALWAYS!

NO THE WEATHER ISN'T FINE! 

[Wintermist]

David Gaider wrote...

I await the first person who actually *makes* that fluffy mackerel pudding, considering it comes from a real recipe. I'm eager to finally know what constitutes a "fluffy" pudding. Or, for that matter, a fluffy mackerel.

It comes from spending that inevitable long time waiting in the fridge for someone daring enough to try eat it. The fluff part sort of comes by itself then.. Atleast, that's my guess...

[Kyrellic]

At least nobody will by crying fowl about it.

[Flamin Jesus]

David Gaider wrote...

I await the first person who actually *makes* that fluffy mackerel pudding, considering it comes from a real recipe. I'm eager to finally know what constitutes a "fluffy" pudding. Or, for that matter, a fluffy mackerel.

I can see it in FOX-News already.... "Sex-and-cooking-video-game responsible for family death" or "Gamer got deadly recipe from video game, concerned citizens ask what will come next" O_o

[Kyrellic]

I can see it now, the anti-gaming crowd will now be calling Dragon Age a how-to guide to murder by violence and poison...

[David Gaider]

Kyrellic wrote...
I can see it now, the anti-gaming crowd will now be calling Dragon Age a how-to guide to murder by violence and poison...

Or, if where the recipe comes from is any indication, a guide to weight loss.

[Pyro_Monkey]

well, back to the original topic (although the discussion on the merits of fluffy mackeral pudding were certainly amusing), let's try to deduce a logical (and not lore breaking) explanation shall we? First of all, we know that Morrighan'nan and Morrigan sound very alike, secondly, we know that many events are the same in the game and the story (the night of passion in exchange for protection, and the mother dissapearing with the child). That much you guys have determined already. Thirdly however, there's Flemeth. Now we know two things about Flemeth, that she named Morrigan, and that it was her plan from the start to have Morrigan have the Grey warden child. add to that the belief that perhaps seeing into the future a bit wouldn't be so hard for a powerful witch like Flemeth, and a story begins to unfold...



So, Flemeth is a romantic at heart? or maybe just insane.. One may conclude that knowing what her daughter would have to do, she named her after Morrighan'nan, the character who had to do something similar in a favourite story of hers. Then she set her daughter onto the path to fulfil the events almost exactly as they appeared in the story.

So, we may conclude with two possibilities then. Either Flemeth was a romantic at heart and loved good literature, or out of an evil or insane whim, she based her daughters entire life on a character in a story.



What do you think?

[Contrapositiv3]

Raymond of Toulouse wrote...

Hey, who at Bioware wrote the "Legend of Luthias the Dwarfson" in the Codex (under Books and Songs, I forget the number)?   You can obtain the legend from the Ash Warrior Leader before the battle at Ostagar if you choose to speak with him at length. 

In it, a warrior woman named Morrighan'nan seduced a hero named Luthias and had his baby?  She disappears from the picture, only to have her son by Luthias reappear later as a young man to fight his father and die by his hand?  Morrighan'nan and the hero end up slaying each other?  So, Luthias's fateful tryst with Morrighan'nan seals his eventual death? 

Morrighan'nan? C'mon...no other characters have any similarly named, plausible antecedents mentioned in the game (e.g., no Alistair'nans).  I hold the Bioware writers in great esteem, and thus find it hard to believe that the name is basically repeated here out of capriciousness.  Some of the events of the legend are strangely similar to the romance plotlines with Morrigan.  Yet the legend goes on and terminates in some very interesting ways, and these endings are all tied basically to Luthias and Morrighan'nan's own "night of passion," so-to-speak.   

The fact that Luthias's wife Scaea offers him protection the night before the battle in exchange for a night of passion is also eerily similar to Morrigan's quid pro quo arrangement on the eve of the battle against the archdemon - the "dark promise."  Although in the legend, the night of passion leads to the hero's death instead of his salvation.  And there is a third party in Scaea, the wife, which complicates matters.  But still, there is enough there to at least beg the question... 

Should I be looking between the lines in this particular story, Bioware, for future content possibilities?  The general framework of the story could easily be applied to our Grey Warden's situation.  The idea of an old-god and conflict between the PC and Morrigan and her son would still work, although the events are less...supernatural...in the legend.  I only mention this because I found this codex entry to support some of the rather interesting sequel/DLC speculation. 

Great thinking, and I believe you're absolutely correct in this maybe being a future DLC or the plot for the sequel.  However, those of us with FEMALE characters have a bit of an issue with this plot point.  It would be Alistair's child instead, making the possible future DLC center on Alistair, which would be no fun.  But it'd be interesting to see how Bioware would pull this off.  You've inspired me to actually read the codex entries now lol.

[Maria Caliban]

Pyro_Monkey wrote...

...we may conclude with two possibilities then. Either Flemeth was a romantic at heart and loved good literature, or out of an evil or insane whim, she based her daughters entire life on a character in a story.

What do you think?

Three: She's had so many daughters, she's occationally reuses names.

Contrapositiv3 wrote...
However, those of us with FEMALE characters have a bit of an issue with this plot point.  It would be Alistair's child instead...

Strange, I have a FEMALE character, and yet don't have a bit of an issue. It's almost as though having a vagina doesn't make me part of a hive mind. Also, I had Morrigan sleep with Loghian.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 15 novembre 2009 - 09:33 .

[Pyro_Monkey]

Maria Caliban wrote...
Also, I had Morrigan sleep with Loghian.

lol, out of curiosity, how did Loghain react?  i'm kinda curious as to what Loghain would do in that situation, but I don't want to destroy Alistair to do it... maybe in a later playthrough perhaps, but in the meantime, what did he say?  I tried looking it up online, didn;t find anything (apparently every other love scene is on youtube, just not this one, I must say my curiosity has been piqued).