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[hekalite]

 For me it's hard to judge the worth of a game based on total playthrough time.  Especially one which is focused on high replay value like an RPG.  40 hours is still a very fair value for the money.  Although as noted by others, the focus on cinematics, which don't add a lot of replay value is a concern for me.  I guess it will all depend on how I feel during that first 40 hours and how much total time I end up spending on the game.

[DJBare]

Oh well, there goes the precarious balance of my pre-order, I was fortunate with Origins and Awakening because I got them at a bargain price, I really do not relish the idea of paying full price for what amounts to half content, I'll hold out and pick it up at a bargain later on, I've got other games lined up for this month so not a big deal.

[Wompoo]

Forty hour RPG with good replayability is fine with me (I also enjoy cinematic story telling), but one thing that kills an RPG for me, is a poor ending/s. DA:Os endings were not satisafactory, they left me feeling flat or with a bad taste or they were just plain anti-climatic.

[PureSlayer]

I'm concerned that many DA2 DLCs will be launched because of shorter gameplay. Well, money is lovely.

However, it is more likely that players get more satisfying game with more plot choices and action than its predecessor. In Origins the differences between character's stories weren't so different from each other. Maybe DA2 offers more than DA:O?

[Berkilak]

So how much dialogue in the cutscenes?

[Marionetten]

BSN when Dragon Age II is criticized for having lackluster presentation: Presentation isn't everything!

BSN when Dragon Age II is criticized for prioritizing presentation: Presentation is everything!

Oh, how I love these forums.

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Who cares how many lines of text there was in DA:O when sometimes half the choices led to the same resulting response.

Which totally doesn't happen in Dragon Age II. No, sir.

[Emyer]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

Who cares how many lines of text there was in DA:O when sometimes half the choices led to the same resulting response.

Try this , play the demo 3 times, once with each "personality"(Good, Sarcastic/witlessy and agressive), see the variety in responses you get, they are always nearly the exact same thing, even PapaCousland and Duncan showed a wider variety of reactions to your lines in the HN Origin.


CRPGs will always box you in some way or another, we get the illusion of choice but we can only move in the pre-planned paths of the devs, you can't say "**** the blight" and go chill in some Antivan beach in DA:O and in the demo you can't reject Flemeth's request no matter what you say, how well the devs create and sell you this illusion is the most important factor in a CRPG and so far I think DA:O did it a whole lot better, I won't fully judge until I play the game though, just my impressions so far.

[Yrkoon]

Marionetten wrote...

Who cares how many lines of text there was in DA:O when sometimes half the choices led to the same resulting response.

Which totally doesn't happen in Dragon Age II. No, sir.

You mean the Demo of  Dragon Age 2.

You haven't played the full game yet,  and thus are not in a position to make sarcastic comments that suggest you have.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 mars 2011 - 02:10 .

[astreqwerty]

wasnt buying already

[NKKKK]

But hey! Opinions.

But hey! Make longer games you

[Rimfrost]

Jumping into the thread without reading more then the original post...

I like that they have more then doubled the cinematics and the number of spoken lines seem to follow the same ratio 40/60 ~= 38000/56000.

To bad it's shorter but DA:O took about 60 hours for me so if DA2 takes me 40 I think it's an OK length (but on the edge).

[Marionetten]

Yrkoon wrote...

You mean the Demo of  Dragon Age 2.

You haven't played the full game yet,  and thus are not in a position to make sarcastic comments that suggest you have.

Which is a part of Dragon Age II. Subsequently, it does happen in Dragon Age II.

But sure, you keep acting as if the demo is a completely unrelated product which clearly isn't meant to showcase your glorious vision of Dragon Age II. That is after all the status quo over here.

Modifié par Marionetten, 01 mars 2011 - 02:23 .

[Rawgrim]

Why do i get the feeling that DA2 is an action game with cutscenes?

[rp2009]

I hope they maintain the great atmosphere from Dragon Age Origins, that game is still one of the best if not the best medieval RPG I've ever played.

[Yrkoon]

Marionetten wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

You mean the Demo of  Dragon Age 2.

You haven't played the full game yet,  and thus are not in a position to make sarcastic comments that suggest you have.

Which is a part of Dragon Age II.

A part of Dragon age 2's *prologue*.  You're not going to get earth shatteringly dynamic  dialogue choices in a friggin  Prologue.  DA:O's prologue didn't  have any either.


Stop pretending you've played the whole game.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 mars 2011 - 02:32 .

[Marionetten]

Yrkoon wrote...

A part of Dragon age 2's *prologue*. You're not going to get earth shatteringly dynamic dialogue choices in a f*cking Prologue. DA:O's prologue didn't have any either.

Stop pretending you've played the whole game.

I never claimed that this applied to the entirety of Dragon Age II. I claimed that it does happen in Dragon Age II much like it does happen in Dragon Age: Origins. The illusion of choice is still present. I'd suggest rereading my posts.

[Kondorr]

I played Kotor, ME1 & 2, DA:O, DA:A and all possible DLC... not once did I feel disappointed, and although I am not expecting a masterpiece... I will get my digital copy on day one, no matter the reviews, no matter the statistics... I know this game will be good enough to stand against any other game being released in this time frame... but then it will be squashed by Witcher2

[Yrkoon]

Marionetten wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

A part of Dragon age 2's *prologue*. You're not going to get earth shatteringly dynamic dialogue choices in a f*cking Prologue. DA:O's prologue didn't have any either.

Stop pretending you've played the whole game.

I never claimed that this applied to the entirety of Dragon Age II.

Sure you did.

  You said dragon age 2.  period.     You didn't specify the demo, because if you had, your argument would have fizzled away as completely  "so  friggin what-ish".  No one expects huge, storied  dialogue branches in a demo.

[Marionetten]

Yrkoon wrote...

Sure you did.

No, I didn't. But feel free to dig up the quote in which I said it applied to the entirety of the experience. I merely said that it does happen. Which it does. Now, are you done attempting to put words in my mouth? I find the taste most disagreeable.

Yrkoon wrote...

You said dragon age 2.  period.     You didn't specify the demo, because if you had, your argument would have fizzled away as completely  "so  friggin what-ish".  No one expects huge, storied  dialogue branches in a demo.

Ah, so now we're back to denying that the Dragon Age II demo is a part of Dragon Age II.

See, this is what I take issue with. If the demo had involved some actual choices you would have all been raving about it. But since it didn't we're supposed to dismiss it all as completely irrelevant. No, I'm not going to engage in such anti-intellectual behavior. My point stands.

Modifié par Marionetten, 01 mars 2011 - 02:47 .

[Yrkoon]

Marionetten wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

Sure you did.

No, I didn't.

<sigh>

Really?

Marionetten wrote...
Which totally doesn't happen in Dragon Age II. No, sir.

^show me  where you're talking about only some parts  of dragon age 2 in that passage, but not  others.

Marionetten wrote...
But feel free to dig up the quote in which I said it applied to the entirety of the experience.

Done.

And who are you kidding?  You quite obiously weren't referring only to  time skip years 1-7, there  (for example).  Or,  just year 2.   Or  "only dialogue that occurs between Hawk and his siblings"  or, "only when varric exagerates"....

No, you were talking about Dragon Age 2.  The game.  Which you haven't played.   If  You're not referring to the whole game, you would need to specify which parts of the game  you ARE referring to, otherwise, there's  no logical reason  for your post to be construed as anything less than  a general commentary about the game....

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 mars 2011 - 03:26 .

[BeastMTL]

Abstract wrote...
Dragon Age: Origins 
1,000,000 Words
1,000 Cinematics
1,000 Characters
56,000 Spoken Lines 
60 Hours of Gameplay

Dragon Age II
400,000 Words
2,500 Cinematics
500 Characters
38,000 Spoken Lines
40 Hours of Gameplay

http://gamrfeed.vgch...more-cinematic/
In my opinion this isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it could result in a very tight, focused experience. Thoughts?

I see. So I'm being charged an extra $10 for about 1/3rd less game.

[kakotan]

 WOW That sucks, well thats what you get for going to bed with EA! First they made them shorten and suck out all the good RPG stuff in ME2 and now they shorten the most anticipated sequel of th year. Not cool, not cool at all!!!

[kakotan]

BeastMTL wrote...

Abstract wrote...
Dragon Age: Origins 
1,000,000 Words
1,000 Cinematics
1,000 Characters
56,000 Spoken Lines 
60 Hours of Gameplay

Dragon Age II
400,000 Words
2,500 Cinematics
500 Characters
38,000 Spoken Lines
40 Hours of Gameplay

http://gamrfeed.vgch...more-cinematic/
In my opinion this isn't necessarily a bad thing, as it could result in a very tight, focused experience. Thoughts?

I see. So I'm being charged an extra $10 for about 1/3rd less game.

Yes, Yes we are :/
They turning into another movie game like ME2, we want to play not sit through 2,500 Cinematics!
and 600,000 less words, thats insane!!!! Wheres the Role Playing if it has been shorten so much , GEEZ now i wish i never saw this post im getting so pissed that another game company cutting back the length of their game.
*sigh*

Modifié par kakotan, 01 mars 2011 - 03:31 .

[t0mm06]

Blumbum wrote...

If you're defending this you're just lying to yourself. Doesn't mean the game will be bad, but those aren't better statistics than DA:O.

They aren't worse statistics then DA:O either, just because the game has less lines and crap doesnt account for the quality. 
Yes its 20 hours (and we dont know how they accounted 40 hours if it was a stright playthrough or if it had the side quests and exploring) but its still 40+ hours which is like 4 times better then most games out, and they had less time to make it, 
im not lying to myself in anyway, i have played the demo and read lots of stuff about it and i genuinly think it will be an amazing game.

Also you'd be lying to yourself if you didnt admit that DA:O didnt have AT LEAST 10 hours of filler content

[Marionetten]

Yrkoon wrote...

^show me  where you're talking about only some parts  of dragon age 2 in that passage, but not  others.

Show me where I'm saying that every single choice present in Dragon Age II is a dead end. Go right ahead and I'll concede right here. I merely said that it happens in Dragon Age II. A statement which rings true going by the demo. I never said that it happened throughout the entirety of the experience. That is your invention and your invention alone and no amount of quote mining will make it mine.

Yrkoon wrote...

And who are you kidding?  You quite obiously weren't referring only to  time skip years 1-7, there  (for example).  Or,  just year 2.   Or  "only dialogue that occurs between Hawk and his siblings"  or, "only when varric exagerates"....

No, you were talking about Dragon Age 2.  The game.  Which you haven't played.   If  You're not referring to the whole game, you would need to specify which parts of the game  you ARE referring to, otherwise, there's  no logical reason  for your post to be construed as anything less than  a general commentary about the game....

Really, only on BSN can a simple statement like that turn into "HURDUR DRAGON AGE II HAS NO REAL CHOICES HURDUR."

Your knee-jerk reaction has made a fool out of you. That much is obvious.

Modifié par Marionetten, 01 mars 2011 - 03:38 .