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[Nashiktal]

jeweledleah wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

sea horse males are the ones carrying their offspring and I believe there are other species in nature that have males handle the baby part.
in perfect world, asari would look and sound like Tilda Swindon in Constantine, which would make them a lot more believable/less fan servicey as mono gendered species.

 

One problem with this analogy. Male seahorses CARRY the eggs of the species, they dont create them. Think of them as incubators. They keep the eggs safe from predaters until they hatch.

An all male race would not only die out, but would not last past one generation. (How the hell did they even come to being?) 

but if we take a mono gendered race like asari - do they relaly have to look female in order to gather the genetic information via mind meld?  not really.  we don't even know if asari in fact produce eggs ala human women.

what we're talking about here is visuals.  and asari that look like males or androgenous make as much sence as female looking asari.

Honestly if we are arguing about visuals Asari would not look close to anything attractive to anyone. They would be utterly alien. At this point however it is implied that Asari only look attractive to other races as they somehow mimic the look of the respective species. (Turian head fringe, Salarian, Human). Probably as part of their genetic ploy to mate with other species. 

Aside from that, if it makes as much sense for Asari to look male or adrogenous as females, wouldnt the fact that bioware chose female not be a problem? Same logic there.

(Honestly I don't really care how they look. I'm one of those guys that complain about the lack of truly "alien" aliens. I want more Elcor and hanar dammit!)

[Zack56]

[Bluko]

Collider wrote...

What if instead of being "feminine", the asari were all male/"masculine"? How would that change the perception of the asari by players?

For the purpose of this question, do not factor in individual asari characters like Liara or Samara. Just the asari in general.

Do you mean that Asari considered themselves male as in gender? Well that'd be kind of weird, though some already do in the fact that one partner of an Asari relationship does not give birth and can be considered the Father.

Actually this gets really weird now that I think about it. It's conceivable (he he pun) that both partners could choose to have children, alternating the roles. I guess that would make having multiple children a lot less stressful since they could trade off every other. But Samara has given us the idea that Asari Lesbianism ultimately results in their children becoming the ultimate Dominatrixes of the universe. Heavy risk... but the prize.

*Ahem* Anyways it's probably for the best Asari are "more" female. Otherwise Mass Effect would be a huge sausage fest since there'd only be Human and Quarian females. Needless to say without the balancing effect of the Asari, interspecies relationships would get really messy. As all the spacefaring males would be fighting over human females for the most part. In this case I would have to be all Duke Nukem in that no one takes our chicks!
Garrus is my bro, but I can't just let him has all our women.

Really none of this would be a problem if the Turians just let their women out of the kitchen. Simply put this is not acceptable! My male Shepard has yet to do it with a Turian! And I think it's safe to say that given how sexy Garrus is, that his sister is probably pretty sexy too.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Male looking asari? I think that as Liara says in ME1, they have many feminine aspects about them, which is why they look feminine.
If they had a masculine appearance, then their whole culture would have to change.

[Sabariel]

If asari were male I might have actually tipped that table dancer in Afterlife...

[Aurica]

jbblue05 wrote...

an all-male species makes zero sense

Why would that not make sense?

Its not as if Asari make any sense at all in the first place.  For all records and purpose Asari does not reproduce by copulation anyway.  Their is more like parthenogenesis. 

[Crocodiles]

I would have a serious case of blue fever

[Aurica]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Male looking asari? I think that as Liara says in ME1, they have many feminine aspects about them, which is why they look feminine.
If they had a masculine appearance, then their whole culture would have to change.

How would an Asari know if they were masculine or feminine before the coming of humans?  I mean for all intents and purpose they are a mono-gendered species with no opposite gender to compare with. 

I dont think they would have compared themselves to Salarian / Turians, after all these species had very different anatomies.

[Aurica]

Bluko wrote...

*Ahem* Anyways it's probably for the best Asari are "more" female. Otherwise Mass Effect would be a huge sausage fest since there'd only be Human and Quarian females.

Why would it be a huge sausage fest even if Asari are not females?

[Smeelia]

Bluko wrote...

Actually this gets really weird now that I think about it. It's conceivable (he he pun) that both partners could choose to have children, alternating the roles. I guess that would make having multiple children a lot less stressful since they could trade off every other. But Samara has given us the idea that Asari Lesbianism ultimately results in their children becoming the ultimate Dominatrixes of the universe. Heavy risk... but the prize.

Unless there's some other factor involved, two Asari children with the same parents should be genetically identical.  They give two sets of their own DNA and randomise one using the DNA of the other parent so unless the randomisation process is itself variable then you'd get the same result both times if you use the same base DNA.  The chance of producing a full Ardat-Yakshi would probably depend on the extent to which Ardat-Yakshi genes are included in both parents, if the same couple produce children it's possible that one will always produce Ardat-Yakshi while the other will not (since they each have their own randomisation process).  This would also explain why Samara has three Ardat-Yakshi children (assuming they were from the same parent, it's also possible that she'd always produce Ardat-Yakshi regardless of the parent or that she's just very likely to produce them during randomisation).  I think Samara mentions that she fathered a child as well and it doesn't seem to have been an Ardat-Yakshi so that ties in with the above.

The problem with the idea that Ardat-Yakshi only appear in purebloods is that the randomisation process seems ot be the same regardless of the race of the other parent.  Still, it's possible that a particular aspect of Asari genetics works with the randomisation process in such a way that it can result in full Ardat-Yakshi genes being passed on and that the aspect which does this is not present in any other species (although it could still be possible that another species could have something sufficiently similar).

Back on topic, I think it'd be more interesting if Asari did look more alien.  Maybe something like the Rachni Queen could be interesting...
"So what's that big sucker claw thing?"
"Oh, that's how we draw out your genetic material for our randomisation process."
Indeed.  As Kelly says, it's character that matters... right?

[jamesp81]

Then the female players of this game would be as ape over them as the male players are now.  And most of the male players would be going for the Ashley or Tali lovin' if they were originally going for the Asari lovin.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Could an asari have a genetic mutation and look like a man?
Or be genetically engineered or somethin?

Male asari for me would be deadly... esecially the ardat yakshi.
I even find normal asari attractive.

[sarahN7]

While there are plenty of tolerant players, there are also plenty of not tolerant players and something like that comes off as homosexual (although to many players somehow all females is not perceived the same way). I personally would have been fine with it either way.

[jamesp81]

sarahN7 wrote...

While there are plenty of tolerant players, there are also plenty of not tolerant players and something like that comes off as homosexual (although to many players somehow all females is not perceived the same way). I personally would have been fine with it either way.

The all female Asari come off lesbian as well.  I think you have to look at human psychology a bit.

You could've made the Asari all male, but not without radically changing their personalities.  Look at the Turians.  While they're not an all male race, every Turian we've seen so far has been male.  That has not been a problem because the Turian characters don't go around engaging in a mass sausage fest.  Contrary to popular belief, the Asari as they are don't go around in a constant lesbian love fest either.  Yes, they enjoy physical intimacy like everyone else, and their sensual nature brings that a bit closer to the surface, but there is so much more to them as a people than that.

No matter how well a race is designed, we are still dealing with human psychology here.  Women are instinctively viewed as being more loving, caring, and open.  Men are viewed as being strong, fearless, and disciplined.  It is easier for a heterosexual person to understand an all female/lesbian society than it is for them to understand an all male/gay society.  I think this springs from the fact that women are also more naturally communal with one another, where men are naturally individualistic.  Now, we can decry that or not, but that's the facts of the matter.

But I think people concentrate too much on Asari sexuality and miss out on all the really interesting stuff about them.  While the Asari are sensual, there's way more to them than that if you're willing to pay attention.  If they were nothing more than green Orion slave girls painted blue, I'd have been annoyed by them.  As it is, there's lots of interesting backstory and people to talk to in both games if you just pay attention.  I, for one, really like how colorful their personalities are.  Because of the genetic randomization from having children with other species, they have widely divergent personality traits.  You never know for sure what you're going to get when Shepard walks up to one and starts talking.  The Matriarch Bartender being a prime example.

[Biotic_Warlock]

*looks to above post*

All salarians ive seen are male, all volus pretty much male.
And hanar - god knows what genders they have.
I wouldnt judge the krell... ive only seen 2.

[jamesp81]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

*looks to above post*

All salarians ive seen are male, all volus pretty much male.
And hanar - god knows what genders they have.
I wouldnt judge the krell... ive only seen 2.

With the Salarians, I often wonder if several of them we've met have been female.  Maybe their species doesn't have a lot of sexual dimorphism.  That would make sense seeing how they have minimal sex drive anyway.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

I think people are forgetting that the majority of gamers are male.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I think people are forgetting that the majority of gamers are male.

I thought it was quite balanced given the different members on here (although i am judging by avatar... so i guess it's easy to be wrong with that)

[danitiwa]

Why do you think the asari are all hot bisexual chicks? To attract the huge amount of female gamers?

Modifié par danitiwa, 01 mars 2011 - 03:30 .

[nevar00]

You fight Salarian females... some of the members of the Eclipse are females. Like the "boss" one you fight in the side mission with the missing Cerberus operative. At least... they sound like females.

Female Turians exist, but for whatever reason we haven't run into any in-game yet. There's also one female Krogan on Tuchunka.

Hanar... I have no idea about them. Maybe they're mono-gendered too.

[Biotic_Warlock]

nevar00 wrote...

You fight Salarian females... some of the members of the Eclipse are females. Like the "boss" one you fight in the side mission with the missing Cerberus operative. At least... they sound like females.

Female Turians exist, but for whatever reason we haven't run into any in-game yet. There's also one female Krogan on Tuchunka.

Hanar... I have no idea about them. Maybe they're mono-gendered too.

Female korgan is funny.
Sounds like a male krogan in drag.

[jamesp81]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I think people are forgetting that the majority of gamers are male.

I thought it was quite balanced given the different members on here (although i am judging by avatar... so i guess it's easy to be wrong with that)

Maybe we should poll the forums to see what the breakdown is?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

danitiwa wrote...

Why do you think the asari are all hot bisexual chicks? To attract the huge amount of female gamers?

This exactly. It's part of the "sex sells" marketing strategy.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I think people are forgetting that the majority of gamers are male.

I thought it was quite balanced given the different members on here (although i am judging by avatar... so i guess it's easy to be wrong with that)

Not everyone who plays ME2 is here on the forums.

[Raanz]

As a horny middle-aged married male, I disapprove of this idea and have wiped it from thought.