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[Tilarta]

To clarify the above statement, an Avatar is a living being augmented with Reaper technology, willingly or not.
So far, only Saren Arterius and Paul Grayson have been Avatars, although Vigil's comment about "other, less visible agents of the Reapers" makes me suspect there are others somewhere.

Everytime Saren is shown in any form of art, they always show him with the bionic Avatar implants given to him by Sovereign.

The most recent one is the cover of Mass Effect: Evolution #2.

Considering these are all flashbacks (because he's dead!), shouldn't any art featuring him depict Saren as he was before he recieved these implants?

[Kim Shepard]

Saren doesn't have any implants in Evolution #2. The cover shows him at the Battle of the Citadel, kind of like the alternate cover of #1 that shows TIM as he is in ME2.

The implants on his face are there by the time of Revelation (judging by the cover art), before he came into contact with Sovereign. Those might not be Reaper implants. Possibly cybernetics from an injury, but there's no way to know for sure yet. That's just the impression I got from the way they seem to connect his mandibles to his face.

[Xilizhra]

Aren't all Collectors potential avatars as well?

[Kim Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Aren't all Collectors potential avatars as well?

Harbinger can assume direct control of them, so yes, they are. They're even more altered than Saren was.

[Daryst]

The cover may show him with implants, but the actuall images in the comic dont.

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Modifié par Daryst, 01 mars 2011 - 08:19 .

[eshrafel]

So, Saren's "real" eyes were blue as well? I feel this is a most important question!

[Zulu_DFA]

Kim Shepard wrote...

Saren doesn't have any implants in Evolution #2. The cover shows him at the Battle of the Citadel, kind of like the alternate cover of #1 that shows TIM as he is in ME2.

The implants on his face are there by the time of Revelation (judging by the cover art), before he came into contact with Sovereign. Those might not be Reaper implants. Possibly cybernetics from an injury, but there's no way to know for sure yet. That's just the impression I got from the way they seem to connect his mandibles to his face.

It is highly probable, that Saren will come into direct contact with the Arca Monolith by the end of Evolution and get zapped by it, so his partial transforamtion will be like that of TIM, only more extensive. However, It's clear that he will retain his free will through Revelation and be inotrianted by Sovereign later, just like any other non-implanted organic. He becomes an "avatar" only after Virmire, when Sovereign fully "upgrades" him.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Does Saren get implants even if u dont use morality unlocked option on him during Virmire quest?

[Kim Shepard]

eshrafel wrote...

So, Saren's "real" eyes were blue as well? I feel this is a most important question!

Yes, they were. They're same color as his brother's eyes too.

Zulu_DFA wrote...

It is highly probable, that Saren will come into direct contact with the Arca Monolith by the end of Evolution and get zapped by it, so his partial transforamtion will be like that of TIM, only more extensive. However, It's clear that he will retain his free will through Revelation and be inotrianted by Sovereign later, just like any other non-implanted organic. He becomes an "avatar" only after Virmire, when Sovereign fully "upgrades" him.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks something bad will happen to Saren's face because of the Reaper tech that shoots lightning. Hopefully his brother won't get turned into a husk like Ben.

From what I can tell by looking at the two pictures that show the faces of turian husks, the implants along Saren's jaw don't resemble them at all. The eyes are similar though.

[Tilarta]

Saren from the cover of Evolution #2 with his implants:
http://i637.photobuc.../SarenME_E2.jpg
Saren from Mass Effect Revelation:
http://i637.photobuc.../SarenMERev.jpg

As you can see, from the comic cover, he clearly has the implants.
But on the book cover, he does not.

Maybe Bioware never explained to anyone that Saren had two distinct appearances, one prior to becoming an Avatar and one after.

As for why his implants look different, I assume they're not a Reaper creation, but Geth technology instead.
The materials and cables are very similar, if not identical to those used by the Geth.
I'm assuming Sovereign was responsible for modifying Geth technology to implant into organic beings.
After all, a Reaper is most likely an expert in merging organic lifeforms with bionic and cybernetic implants.

Still, it would have required quite a sacrifice on Saren's part.
As far as I can tell, half his torso was removed, along with his left arm and he had 3 cables attached directly to the back of his brain (you can see the sockets when he uses the Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime, for some reason, he had disconnected the cables), his eyes were replaced and his jaws were modified as well.

This could be because Prothean technology could detect Indoctrination and if Saren used Reaper technology, he'd be unable to use any of their devices.
Even given that, Vigil could still detect that Saren was a Reaper Avatar, so I guess it didn't work completely.


As an aside, I am wondering how this relates to continuity.
The impression Mass Effect and the prequel novel give is that Sovereign is the first time Saren meets a Reaper.
But judging from this issue, he's already becoming somewhat familiar with them prior to this meeting.

Modifié par Tilarta, 02 mars 2011 - 07:38 .

[Kim Shepard]

Tilarta wrote...

Saren from the cover of Evolution #2 with his implants:
http://i637.photobuc.../SarenME_E2.jpg

See my comment about that picture being from the Battle of the Citadel. The cover was basically a way of saying "Look, this comic has Saren!" with cool artwork. It isn't a representation of how Saren looks in the comic. The five-page preview shows that he has no implants at all.

Saren from Mass Effect Revelation:
http://i637.photobuc.../SarenMERev.jpg

If you look closely, the jaw implants are still there, so are the ridges on his fringe (which aren't there in Evolution), and the cybernetic eyes. Those came after or possibly during the events of Evolution, but before his contact with Sovereign. The geth arm, tubes, and blue Reaper glow all came after Revelation, and at least the last two of those three would be after he met Sovereign.

As for why his implants look different, I assume they're not a Reaper creation, but Geth technology instead.
The materials and cables are very similar, if not identical to those used by the Geth.
I'm assuming Sovereign was responsible for modifying Geth technology to implant into organic beings.
After all, a Reaper is most likely an expert in merging organic lifeforms with bionic and cybernetic implants.

The tubes and glow are definitely Reaper tech. It resembles all of the other Reaper tech we've seen. The implants before Revelation are questionable, but the jaw implants don't seem like Reaper tech to me. The eyes could be. I'm not sure about the geth arm. None of the currently known forms of indoctrination involve geth parts, and they weren't made by the Reapers. It could have just been a convenient replacement. 

As an aside, I am wondering how this relates to continuity.
The impression Mass Effect and the prequel novel give is that Sovereign is the first time Saren meets a Reaper.
But judging from this issue, he's already becoming somewhat familiar with them prior to this meeting.

Sovereign wasn't the first Reaper tech Saren knew about, but according to Revelation, it was the first actual Reaper. The fact that they found the Arca Monolith doesn't change the fact that he didn't know what the Reapers really were until he studied Sovereign. Saren doesn't even appear to know as much as his brother does by the time of Evolution #2.

[Zulu_DFA]

On the Revelation cover if you look closely you can see a glowy-bluey spot at the joint of Saren's right mandible to the skull.

His left arm though is not yet "geth"

[Kim Shepard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

On the Revelation cover if you look closely you can see a glowy-bluey spot at the joint of Saren's right mandible to the skull.

I had a really hard time finding it, but I think I see what you're talking about. I thought it was just the lighting. If the monolith did cause his eyes to change though, it would explain a slight glow before the implants from Sovereign.

[Fugiz]

Wait Legion has these blue shiny implant like thingys as well, right. Does that mean he is also an Avatar?

Noooo