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[MadGamer24]

i was just watching some ME clips on youtube about liara and shepard, and I thought why doesn't Shepard mind meld with the asari councillor? If he did then shed know what he knew and the images would show her and the council the truth? It seems so easy Liara understood when she melded with shepard about the reapers etc

[ussnorway]

So you think he should just have sex with the councillor... a new way to suck up to some one in charge?

[MadGamer24]

well its not exactly sex is it? cuz he didnt have sex with liara in front of garrus ashley and the rest of the team in the meeting room did he?

[AlexMBrennan]

Very original question.

[Nashiktal]

It's a plothole that has been discussed over and over again on these forums. The main argument seems to be that it isn't a "proper" thing for a councilor to do, and would be unorthodox to ask a leader of such importance as her.

It's a shaky argument but you take what you can get eh?

[GodWood]

It's not really a plot-hole.
Say I had schizophora and believed I saw a giant man-eating hamburger.
If I then mind melded with the asari councillor she'd see what I believed I saw.

[chapa3]

And then there's the possibility that she believes you will assassinate her. After all, you are associated with Cerberus.

[MadGamer24]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Very original question.

wow very informative thumbs up

if theres a question am i not allowed to ask? i didnt find an answer for it in  my search on the forums. some people need to stop acting like they know it all and realise not all of us have the time to read every post on this infinite topic forum. there are new fans here too.

[chapa3]

Ignore that comment. These threads get recycled, sometimes new ideas appear, other ideas reinforced. No harm done, as long as the redundancy is not extreme. I myself only seen this thread posted once before.

[Bogsnot1]

Actually, its more of a case of "you use google to search for everything else, why not forum posts?"
Its a topic that has been discussed numerous times, with various arguments, trolling and flamewars as a result.
I have to admit, my first thought when I saw this was "oh look, its this thread again".

http://social.biowar.../index/5696463/

[MadGamer24]

well thanks for the answers and links im off, hopefully there will be some news on the arrival DlC soon!

[Scimal]

Nashiktal wrote...

It's a plothole that has been discussed over and over again on these forums. The main argument seems to be that it isn't a "proper" thing for a councilor to do, and would be unorthodox to ask a leader of such importance as her.

It's a shaky argument but you take what you can get eh?

le sigh...

It's not a plot hole.

Here's the thing; the Asari mind-meld can't tell whether or not someone's lying or delusional. It's a passive observance of thoughts, not an active dredging of memories.

They may have briefly believed Shepard's story about the Reaper at the end of ME1, but because Sovereign was never recovered to any significant degree (perhaps because nanobots destroying the Reaper tech or smugglers), Vigil was never recovered, and nobody else was present on Virmire to see the Reaper hologram... The easiest explanation (note: not correct, but easiest and least threatening - which is the one we usually prefer) is that Shepard had been mind-jacked by the Beacon on Eden Prime and Saren.

Since they believe that Shepard believe's the threat is real, mind-melding with Shepard would only reveal that he has constructed his delusion to an unfortunate degree - not that he's telling the truth, since the difference between the two would be impossible to tell via mind-melding.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

It's out of place.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Hmm.
Can all asari embrace eternity?

[Gabey5]

it isn't fact.. a vison is just a vison

[Confused-Shepard]

Most likely cultural taboo. No melding if in any position of authority and/or in Matriarch stage of life

[I will kill you both]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Hmm.
Can all asari embrace eternity?

Considering most of em become hookers/strippers and mercs for half their life...hell no.

[Smeelia]

Even if it did work though, it might only get Shepard one out of three votes.  The other two couldn't see it (unless the Asari can then pass it on maybe) and wouldn't necessarily want to rely on it.

[LuxDragon]

What is seen can't be unseen!

[Rivercurse]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Very original question.

Oh great work.  The top search result is this exact thread. <_<

[danitiwa]

And here I thought this was going to be one of those "SHE'S HOT WHY DIDN'T HE NAIL HER" threads lol. The thread name is very deceiving.

But like the other people said, memories can be tainted. The councilor probably wouldn't accept it as the truth, and the councilor doesn't have the cipher either, and even if she got it from Shepard there's nothing to say the vision is true.

[Annihilator27]

Rivercurse wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Very original question.

Oh great work.  The top search result is this exact thread. <_<

 I laughed and then facepalmed. Thank you for linking back to this thread.

[tonnactus]

The answer is easy.If shepardt is unstable,the melding would proove nothing.What he thinks are facts could just be some of his fantasies.Dont know if asari could tell the difference if the person they meld with is brainsick.

[Moiaussi]

tonnactus wrote...

The answer is easy.If shepardt is unstable,the melding would proove nothing.What he thinks are facts could just be some of his fantasies.Dont know if asari could tell the difference if the person they meld with is brainsick.

That isn't strictly true. If the melding was done by a trained professional who studies mental instability, and/or an archaeologist who studies the Protheans, it could have revealed quite a bit.

For example, if Shepard's visions included prothean structures or other information that an expert could identify as Prothean, then there could be evidence that Shep had some actual knowledge in there given no exposure to such sites.

Similarly, an Asari expert on the mind could have examined Shepard for the alleged instabilities. Note that there is no medical report declaring Shepard unstable or delusional. That is just an accusation by the Council, who regardless of any training they might have, have not properly examined Shepard nor made any actual medical assessment other than that of a lay person.

[Naltair]

It may not acceptable as evidence for the mind meld to be used in the Mass Effect universe. Plus by Mass Effect 2 everything seems to be find again, why worry about threats that exist beyond the Milky Way. Reapers are just smoke and mirrors.