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[Satyricon331]

TJPags wrote...
Her voice.  The way she plays with her fingers while we talk.  Those eyes.  She's the only character who's honest with me from the start - no hidden agendas, no lies, no half truths.  She's practical, and decisive.

And she's mine. 

It's always so interesting to see how differently people can respond ot these situations.  Thanks!

[TJPags]

Satyricon331 wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Her voice.  The way she plays with her fingers while we talk.  Those eyes.  She's the only character who's honest with me from the start - no hidden agendas, no lies, no half truths.  She's practical, and decisive.

And she's mine. 

It's always so interesting to see how differently people can respond ot these situations.  Thanks!

My pleasure.

I admit, she grew on me.  At first, it was more of a "well, Alistair doesn't want to be King, and I doubt he'd make a good one, so fine, I'll put her on the throne" kind of thing.

But, you know, what I said was true.  She is, IMO, the only one who's honest from the start - she wants to be Queen, and she's willing to deal to get it . . no subterfuge, no games.

[Gilsa]

I let Loghain sacrifice himself. Had a bad vibe with the dark ritual and how hard Morrigan was tap dancing around the questions. Wasn't about to recycle an Old God soul so it could start up another Blight down the road. I didn't intend to lose Alistair at Landsmeet, but that's how it played out on my first run. Even if Loghain ended up being executed instead, pretty sure I would have said no to the DR with the intention of killing my PC only to be blindsided by the game mechanic of Alistair taking the final blow. (I wouldn't have left him at the gates without metagaming info.) It was a relationship destined to fail no matter what. =p (As a dwarf, I didn't care enough about glory among humans to want to die in Loghain's place. Had my own kingdom to get back to.)

[TheChosenKing]

Human Noble Origin, Lucian Cousland.

Origins:
-Saved Redcliffe, Saved Connor
-Sided with the Mages.
-Sided with the Elves, Cured the Werewolves.
-Crowned King Bhelen.
-Preserved the Ashes, didn't report back to Genitivi.
-Spared Loghain.
-Had Alistair marry Anora.
-Completed the Dark Ritual.
-Lucian killed the Arch Demon.

Awakening:
-Fully upgraded Virgil's Keep.
-Saved Amaranthine.
-Let the messenger go.
-Spared the Architect.

Golem's of Amgarrak
-Killed the Harvester

Witch Hunt
-(Still deciding which ending will be my cannon one. On one hand I want my Warden to meet his child and forever be with his love, but on the other hand I feel like an ass for leaving Fenris (Dog) behind and not saying anything, not to mention not being around just in case the Architect came back with a vengence.)

Modifié par TheChosenKing, 03 mars 2011 - 09:11 .

[Ealos]

Human Mage Origin, Pelonas Amell.

Origins:
-Saved Redcliffe, Saved Connor.
-Sided with the Mages.
-Sided with the Elves but freed werewolves.
-Sided with Cariden, crowned Harromont.
-Preserved the Ashes, reported back to Genitivi and slew dragon.
-Executed Loghain.
-Had Alistair marry Anora.
-Recruited all party members, completed all ingame DLC (let Avernus live, although told him "no more blood magic").
-Completed the Dark Ritual.
-Slew the Archdemon.
-Became Chancellor.

Awakening:
-Recruited all party members, all survived final battle.
-Fully upgraded Virgil's Keep.
-Saved Amaranthine.
-Let the messenger go.
-Spared the Architect, (but see my character having serious doubts about the wisdom of that choice).

Golem's of Amgarrak
-Killed the Harvester

Witch Hunt
-Didn't follow Morrigan (not an option).

Modifié par Ealos, 03 mars 2011 - 10:07 .

[Ealos]

If you let Loghain live to kill the Archdemon, does Alistair forgive you? Will he turn up in Awakening, or will it be Anora? Never tried it (due to having played the last bit too many times to want another repeat, but curious)

[Ealos]

TJPags wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Her voice.  The way she plays with her fingers while we talk.  Those eyes.  She's the only character who's honest with me from the start - no hidden agendas, no lies, no half truths.  She's practical, and decisive.

And she's mine. 

It's always so interesting to see how differently people can respond ot these situations.  Thanks!

My pleasure.

I admit, she grew on me.  At first, it was more of a "well, Alistair doesn't want to be King, and I doubt he'd make a good one, so fine, I'll put her on the throne" kind of thing.

But, you know, what I said was true.  She is, IMO, the only one who's honest from the start - she wants to be Queen, and she's willing to deal to get it . . no subterfuge, no games.

She does, you know, lie. A lot. I mean, she's honest about her ambition, but no subterfuge? It's not even certain that she didn't set up her imprisonment by "Howe", from what her dad says (unless I misunderstood).

[Costin_Razvan]

Origins:

Circle: Sided with mages.
Redcliffe: Village saved, Connor rescued by mages.
Elves: Cured the Werewolves.
Orzammar: Anvil preserved, Bhelen King.
Landsmeet: Anora Queen, Alistair exiled, Loghain turned into a Grey Warden.
Dark Ritual: Taken.

Awakening:

Recruited all companions and maxed out their approval.
Vigil's Keep fully upgraded.
Trade Routes, Villages and Amaranthine all defended.
Saved Amaranthine and the Vigil held with none of my companions dying since I took Justice, Sigrun and Valenna with me.
Accepted the Architect's offer.

[Stazro]

No offence meant, but I don't fully understand what the point is of putting one of your playthroughs above the others as "canon". Personally I'm trying to get every major decision in one of my playthroughs, so I will be able to experience most of the consequences from imported saves in DA2 or subsequent iterations. I think I still need two playthroughs to finally be ready for DA2, though (need to check my list...). :-)

[Satyricon331]

Stazro wrote...
No offence meant, but I don't fully understand what the point is of putting one of your playthroughs above the others as "canon".

Personally I find it much more fun.

[Gilsa]

Ealos wrote...

If you let Loghain live to kill the Archdemon, does Alistair forgive you? Will he turn up in Awakening, or will it be Anora? Never tried it (due to having played the last bit too many times to want another repeat, but curious)

No, he doesn't want to be friends with you anymore. If he's exiled, there's no mention of him in Awakening. (He will have a cameo in DA2 as an exile.) If he's been married off to Anora while Loghain lives, I *think* Anora is the one that shows up in Awakening. Not sure.

[SunnKingg]

Gilsa wrote...

Ealos wrote...

If you let Loghain live to kill the Archdemon, does Alistair forgive you? Will he turn up in Awakening, or will it be Anora? Never tried it (due to having played the last bit too many times to want another repeat, but curious)

No, he doesn't want to be friends with you anymore. If he's exiled, there's no mention of him in Awakening. (He will have a cameo in DA2 as an exile.) If he's been married off to Anora while Loghain lives, I *think* Anora is the one that shows up in Awakening. Not sure.

I had Anora and Alister married, loghaine lived. and i did the DR. Alister was the one that showed up in Awakening as the king for me.

[Wye]

First Playthrough (Male/Human Noble/Rogue)
- Zathrian dies to save the Dalish and transform the Werewolves back into humans.
- Did not invoke the Rite of Annulment. (Like an idiot, I ignored the Help screen and didn't learn how to activate it.)
- Sacrificed Isolde to save Connor.
- Slew the Cult of Andraste.
- Allowed the High Dragon to live (or vice versa).
- Preserved the Ashes of Andraste.
- Destroyed the Anvil of the Void.
- Sided with Harrowmont.
- Failed to kill Flemeth the Shapeshifter.
- Zevran betrayed me.
- I killed Loghain.
- I accepted Morrigan's ritual.
- Slew the Archdemon.

Dragon Age Origins: Awakening (Same character)
- Set Darkspawn Messenger free.
- Saved Amaranthine.
- Spared Architect.

[Johnny Shepard]

My canon ending as a Male Human Noble Warrior!

Origins:

Normal Alistair and Anora as King and Queen
The Warden killed the Archdemon
Redcliff: Saved the town (all but the barkeeper), used Mages to send Jawan in to the fade and save Connor, gave good money to the barmaid and the girl and her brother
Denerim: 'K' in charge. Worked with the Crows. Saved the City Elves from the slavers.
Logain lost the Landsmeet and killed by Wardens hand.
Boon: Remember the Gery Wardens
Sided with the Dalish but made the Werewolvs human again.
Sided with the Mages but united them with the Templars
Did not kill Wynne
Harrowmont as King
Destroyed the Anvil of the Void and killed Branka
Leliana as Love Intrest
Spared Leliana's former boss
Recovered Sten's sword
Helped Oghren to reunite with his lover
Zevran lived and did not betray me
Did not sleep with Isabela
Sided with the Blackstone boss and killed his son
Killed the Cultists and Andraste and helped the Brother retrive the Urn
Killed the Warden Commander Demon at Soldier's Keep and let the Mage Warden continue his experiments as long as he stoped using people or Blood Magic


Awakening:

Anders, Sigrun, Velanna and Justice joined
Finnished all companion quests exept for Velanna's, it never triggered
Took Velanna, Justice and Sigrun to the final Battle
Saved the city
All Wardens survived the attack on the Keep
Helped to rid the city of the smugglers
Sided with the Architect


I think that is it.
I just finnished a replay of Awakening with my Human Mage Warden and was disapointed that I got the exact same ending. The only differens was that I saved the Keep Velanna's quest finaly triggered. I was really trying to get somthing different with the companions (mostly Anders and Justice) but they all got the same ending.
Even the Warden got the same ending when I was hoping for him to return to court.

Modifié par Johnny Shepard, 03 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[TJPags]

Ealos wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Satyricon331 wrote...

TJPags wrote...
Her voice.  The way she plays with her fingers while we talk.  Those eyes.  She's the only character who's honest with me from the start - no hidden agendas, no lies, no half truths.  She's practical, and decisive.

And she's mine. 

It's always so interesting to see how differently people can respond ot these situations.  Thanks!

My pleasure.

I admit, she grew on me.  At first, it was more of a "well, Alistair doesn't want to be King, and I doubt he'd make a good one, so fine, I'll put her on the throne" kind of thing.

But, you know, what I said was true.  She is, IMO, the only one who's honest from the start - she wants to be Queen, and she's willing to deal to get it . . no subterfuge, no games.

She does, you know, lie. A lot. I mean, she's honest about her ambition, but no subterfuge? It's not even certain that she didn't set up her imprisonment by "Howe", from what her dad says (unless I misunderstood).

While you can choose to believe Loghain if you wish, I personally don't believe anything that comes out of that fools mouth.  But even he admits that Howe wanted to kill Anora, IIRC.

However, how would she have arranged her capture?  Do you think she locked herself in that room, and put the spell field around it?  The spell field which stops when you kill Howe's mage?

[Satyricon331]

The plan to ambush you while you're rescuing Anora could have been a plan she was in on. I think there are a number of ways it might have worked, but the most obvious one would have been for her, while you were away killing Howe, to have sent that French elf servantgirl to alert Ser Caulthrien that you were there killing people. We don't really know how Ser C found out about your presence there, although obviously it doesn't require this particular explanation.

Her playing it that way would mean that while she definitely wanted Howe dead, she preferred increasing the likelihood Loghain would win (given your pubic discrediting as an assassin) at the expense of playing the gamble that she could either get you to prefer her to Alistair or could single-handedly discredit you in the Landsmeet.

Personally, I don't think it's the most likely scenario, but it's a strong possibility FWICT.

[TJPags]

Sure, possible, but as you say, unlikely. And, of course, it runs the risk that the Warden kills not just Howe, but Anora, too. Or Anora dying if you try to fight C.

Also, one things that's bothered me . . .other than a Cousland, do other Wardens have reason to want Howe dead? My DE didn't care about the guy, and would have gladly let him live if there was a way to get Anora out without killing Howe.

[Satyricon331]

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it's "unlikely," but in my subjective view it's just less likely true than not.

It's not clear to me why it would run the risk of the Warden killing Anora? It's hard to see how the W could find out. The only way I can think of would be if the Warden captured Ser C and extracted the info, which doesn't seem terribly likely.

Other wardens wouldn't bear him a personal grudge but might want to kill him for his sadism/torture streak, etc. If you do some of the marketplace quests it's at the least very clear he's a bad ruler who doesn't seem to care about his subjects - throw in the possibility he wants to kill Anora just to frame you and it seems enough not to walk away at least.

[Snowship]

I'd like to consider my 1st character canon, but since it was the 1st run through the game he missed alot of stuff/plots

Male Human Noble Warrior (S&S)
--Origins--
Recuited Elves/Mages/Dwarves (actually never sided with WW yet as persuade's always too low)
Harromount King
Saved Connor
Refused DR
Choose to recruit Logain, lost Alistair (drunkard) and Anora Queen
Logain died killing a Arch-Demon.
Liliana almost LI (missed starting the LI plot)

--Awakenings--
Killed Architect & Mother
Saved Amaranthine, Vigil survived assault
All characters recruited (took Sigrun, Justice and Velanna to last battle)
the hostage chick died

2nd character
Female Elf Mage
--Origins--
Recuited Elves/Mages/Dwarves
Bhalen King
Connon given to Desire Demon
Alistair did the ritual
Logain died by my hand, Alistair becomes king (no LI)

--Awakenings--
Sided with Architect (will never do that again)
Saved Vigil, Amaranthine burned
All Characters Reqruited (Justice only just)
the hostage chick died
(can't remember who I took to the last battle)

--Witch Hunt--
Caught Up with Morrigan to have a chat (we were friends)

3rd Character
Female Human Noble Thief
--Origins--
Recuited Elves/Mages/Dwarves
Harromount King
Saved Connor
Alistair did the ritual
Logain killed by Alistair
Alistair King, the Warden Queen.

--Awakenings--
Killed Architect & Mother
Saved Amaranthine, Vigil survived assault
All characters (except Sigrun, and Nathanial only recruited after begging me once I'd let him go) Recruited
the hostage chick saved
Ogren, Nathanial & Velanna taken to final Battle

--Witch Hunt--
Caught Up with Morrigan.
Swore to find the baby


4th Character
Male Dalish Thief (played as ranger)
--Origins--
Recuited Elves/Templars (I think)/Dwarves
Harramount King
Killed Connor
Refused ritual
Killed logain, Alnora Queen, Ultimate Sacrifice (so Alistair just another warden)
LI Morrigan (but felt dying saving the world would be better for my people's standing)

[ZeroDotZero]

 I had two playthroughs I would call canon, but I did the first one too long ago to remember. So my real canon is:
Male Human Noble Rogue
Origins:
Alistair unhardened

The Warden killed the ArchdemonRedcliffe: Saved the town, killed Connor, did not help the barmaidDenerim: 'D' in charge. Worked with the Crows. Saved the City Elves from the slavers.Loghain lost the Landsmeet and was conscripted by Riordan, Alistair left as a drunkBoon: A title and richesSided with the Dalish and killed all the Werewolves and the Lady.Sided with the Mages but united them with the TemplarsDid not kill Wynne, reunited her with her old apprenticeBhelen as KingAnvil preserved, Caridin killedZevran as LI, cheated with Leliana then dumped herSpared MarjolaineRecovered Sten's swordHelped Oghren to reunite with his loverZevran remained my lover even after I married the queenSlept with Isabela and ZevranSided with the Blackstone boss and killed his sonOghren insulted the Cultists, so they attacked and I killed them
Brother Genitivi left to spread the word of the UrnKilled Avernus at Soldier's Peak and let Sophia leave to wander
Betrayed the Mages Collective to the Templars

Awakening:
Anders, Sigrun, Velanna, Nathaniel, Oghren and Justice joinedFinnished all companion quests exept for Velanna's, it never triggeredTook Velanna, Justice and Sigrun to the final BattleSaved the cityAll Wardens survived the attack on the KeepHelped to rid the city of the smugglersSpared the Architect

[LobselVith8]

Satyricon331 wrote...

Also - it occurred to me that if I have Alistair do the DR, then the OGB would be the *only* child any Fereldan monarch has in any of the endings.  I can't imagine it's a coincidence, but I wonder what the significance is?  Why were they so intent on having no Ferelden prince(sse)s?

I think it's interesting to note that all of the powerful families of Ferelden have lost their "heirs." There's no telling if Alistair or Anora can have a child, Fergus lost his son and may or may not remarry, Arl Eamon loses his child to the Circle regardless if it's Connor or Rowan (unless the Warden made a deal with the Desire Demon, but he'll still lose Connor in that scenerio). TPTB might be planning for a "blank slate" or it might come into play in DA2.

[TJPags]

Satyricon331 wrote...

I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say it's "unlikely," but in my subjective view it's just less likely true than not.

It's not clear to me why it would run the risk of the Warden killing Anora? It's hard to see how the W could find out. The only way I can think of would be if the Warden captured Ser C and extracted the info, which doesn't seem terribly likely.

Other wardens wouldn't bear him a personal grudge but might want to kill him for his sadism/torture streak, etc. If you do some of the marketplace quests it's at the least very clear he's a bad ruler who doesn't seem to care about his subjects - throw in the possibility he wants to kill Anora just to frame you and it seems enough not to walk away at least.

The Warden - presumably - is supporting Alistair for the throne, so far as Anora knows.  How better to ensurre he gets it than killing the other competition?  Warden could conceivably do so and pin it on Howe - he previously made threats against her, after all.

[Satyricon331]

LobselVith8 wrote...
I think it's interesting to note that all of the powerful families of Ferelden have lost their "heirs." There's no telling if Alistair or Anora can have a child, Fergus lost his son and may or may not remarry, Arl Eamon loses his child to the Circle regardless if it's Connor or Rowan (unless the Warden made a deal with the Desire Demon, but he'll still lose Connor in that scenerio). TPTB might be planning for a "blank slate" or it might come into play in DA2.

Good catch!  It'd surprise me if it affected DA2 (just from what I've seen on the super-spoiler thread), but maybe DA3?  I'm definitely expecting some political instability for Ferelden.

TJPags wrote...
The Warden - presumably - is supporting Alistair for the throne, so far as Anora knows.  How better to ensurre he gets it than killing the other competition?  Warden could conceivably do so and pin it on Howe - he previously made threats against her, after all.

Oh, I disagree.  Eamon says the whole reason you need to take seriously the maid's report that Anora's life is threatened is because if she were murdered, everyone would just believe you did it, and so it would erode Alistair's Landsmeet support.

[TJPags]

Satyricon331 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
I think it's interesting to note that all of the powerful families of Ferelden have lost their "heirs." There's no telling if Alistair or Anora can have a child, Fergus lost his son and may or may not remarry, Arl Eamon loses his child to the Circle regardless if it's Connor or Rowan (unless the Warden made a deal with the Desire Demon, but he'll still lose Connor in that scenerio). TPTB might be planning for a "blank slate" or it might come into play in DA2.

Good catch!  It'd surprise me if it affected DA2 (just from what I've seen on the super-spoiler thread), but maybe DA3?  I'm definitely expecting some political instability for Ferelden.

TJPags wrote...
The Warden - presumably - is supporting Alistair for the throne, so far as Anora knows.  How better to ensurre he gets it than killing the other competition?  Warden could conceivably do so and pin it on Howe - he previously made threats against her, after all.

Oh, I disagree.  Eamon says the whole reason you need to take seriously the maid's report that Anora's life is threatened is because if she were murdered, everyone would just believe you did it, and so it would erode Alistair's Landsmeet support.

Yes, but to set up the Warden as the killer, her body would need to be dumped somewhere else.  I mean, what's Howe going to do, say the Warden broke into my house and killed Anora?  With the Maid, and perhaps others, knowing Anora went to Howe's place?  How does Howe explain nobody being dead except Anora?

Killing Howe and Anora in Howe's house, the Warden could claim - truthfully - that he went to rescue Anora. found her dead, and killed Howe for revenge.  Who would Loghain really point the finger at, then?  The Warden, or the guy who he knows threatened to kill Anora before?   

I find it an interesting thought.  Of course, the main thing is, Anora can't know the Warden's state of mind at that point.  So it was a risk on her end.

[Satyricon331]

Howe could easily claim the Warden just snuck in and killed Anora. You actually do sneak in successfully, after all, so it's unlikely it would be a wholly implausible claim beforehand. It wouldn't take much to solidify people's presumption that the Warden did it.

Loghain has been pretty calculating in the past, so he could easily just point the finger at the Warden to salvage his hold on power, which he'd be willing to do to save Ferelden - which in his mind is equivalent to his retaining power.