31 réponses à ce sujet

[Mylene]

 to those who romance them in me1:Will you still cheat on them?
i always think bioware did the extremely lame encounter scene which could only appear in those silly soap operas on purpose for the sake of new LI.so,please, prove me wrong.

[Chuvvy]

I'd still think Kaidan was a normal guy that'd I'd hang out with IRL, were it not for Horizon. Now I think he might have borderline personality disorder.

[Bogsnot1]

Yes.
All work and no play makes Shep a dull boy (or gal)

[expanding panic]

It's not cheating you were dead for 2 years everyone moved on. Well they should have. But to answer your question yes, even without that scene I would cheat on both of them

[Undertone]

Horizon doesn't factor in the cheating aspect really. I am talking about Kaidan in specific. Because the whole horizon effect is something totally out of Ashley repertoire and totally not what Kaidan would say or do.

Bioware could have put some unique dialogue there - for god sake the meeting lasts what - 1 minute? Instead they turned it into Kashley Willenko moment which basically results into Kaidan acting like an idiot and not himself. Instead of the mostly logical, curious stable Kaidan we get some moron like Ashley. I was almost expecting he would meet Shepard saying "Oh Captain, my Captain" the second time I replayed the game.

God I felt Ashley has turned into a ghost possessing Kaidan and coming to stalk me cause I left her stupid ass to go nuclear on Virmire.

Basically me and my dear Tessa Shep believe Kaidan was still affected by whatever the small bugs use and was in shock hence why he was acting like an "Ashley" (translates into tool).

Realistically the only conceivable person my Shepard could cheat with is Garrus. And technically it's not cheating since there's nothing physical. (Expect all the ladies to thow stones at me). It's more like both are having very tough periods in their life. Garrus doesn't feel at place anywhere, neither at C-Sec, nor as a Spectre (evidenced he quit it/didn't work out). He blames himself for the loss of his team. Shep on the other hand is hmm dead, comes back, everyone is a tool and has forgotten her or her actions. It's more of an emotional moment then anything and something they both need.

Unfortunately the game counts it as cheating but from role-play perspective I don't consider it so. I mean Shep has no future with Garrus, there can't be anything physical due to the biology aspect and difference in genetics. A relationship without something physical is not a real relationship.

Modifié par Undertone, 01 mars 2011 - 12:23 .

[mopotter]

expanding panic wrote...

It's not cheating you were dead for 2 years everyone moved on. Well they should have. But to answer your question yes, even without that scene I would cheat on both of them

This!  

Most of my female Shepards plan on trying to rekindle the romance with Kadain.  They all understand it's been two years and he thought she was dead.  They liked his e-mail and just wish they could have answered it.  

But I have a couple of Shepards who also moved on.  One lost their LI in the last mission, one is planing on continuing their relationship to see where it goes.

[Biotic_Warlock]

I bet the human romance cheated a couple of times.

*sinister voice* how very dare you*

[Ramirez Wolfen]

If it didn't happen, Ashley wouldn't always be Virmired whenever I play ME1 now. (racist and rude, time for a nuke methinks)

[V-rex]

To be honest, Horizon itself never bothered me as much as it seemed to for other people or as much as Bioware apparently expected it to. I don't blame Ashley for responding the way she did, in fact it would be kind of wierd if she was able to completely come to terms with everything she's seeing instantly. It did bother me that this was all I saw but I'm going to be honest, I can't say I was ever really among the club of people who overstated how bad it really was and scream their hatred from the top of giant buildings.
Hell at one point Anderson even mentions that by sending her report to the Alliance, Ashley actually confirmed Shepard's story about the Collector attacks. Makes me wonder if this means Shepard would still be in the hot seat if she hadn't done that.
Ashley remains my number one choice, and stays as such consistantly. Horizon be damned, the memory of the night before Ilos remains strong and no matter what, Bioware can't take that away from me.

Now to address the actual question, I feel I must ask another:
When you say 'never happened' do you mean 'Ash/Kaidan never make an appearance' or 'Ashley/Kaidan made a different appearance in a different circumstance'? Because these are different circumstances with different outcomes.

If the former, I would probably get extremely pissed off before finally deciding to go romance someone else. I mean if Ashley gets literally no air time or even sense of presence in the entire game then there's no use pining for a phantom, not when there's a delightful, slender, beautiful, emotionally unstable tattooed woman with a lethal amount of pure biotic energy waiting for a cuddle or two.
What's the worst that could happen, right?
But then that's something I did for a different playthrough.

If the latter, well, same answer. If the circumstances are different... let's say, "Better than the soap-operaish crap presented to us on Horizon" then of course I wouldn't 'cheat'. I admit using the word 'cheating' is a little bit extreme but still the closest we have. Thing is, if I could stand by Ashley despite being a galaxy apart and being of two warring factions and of our only face to face meeting being one of pain and despair... then a pleasant meeting is something that would make 'faithfulness' all the more easy for me.

Truth be told, the only way I could ever see myself wanting to leave Ashley would be if she turned into a Necromorph. And even then I would seek relationship counciling to see if I could get her to stop mauling me before I officially started packing my bags.

[jeweledleah]

On a personal level, i don't believe that couple of months is enough time to just jump into a new relationship (it hasn't been 2 years for Shep, remember? ). it definitely depends on how you role played the relationship in a first game, but if you were just toying with VS's feelings and Ilos didn't really mean much to you, then you are already predisposed to being a ****, I'm sorry I'm being harsh here, but that's basically how I feel about people who mess with other people's feelings to get their own jollies, even if its just a computer game character - both Kaidan and Ashley are very obviously set up to show that its not just a fling to them - jumping into new relationship as soon as the chance is there, is all on par with the personality.

now, I have several shepards that romanced Kaidan and they reacted differently to it. One feels that its only a minor setback and they just need to air out the grievances, one was hurt and turned to Jacob for comfort and one just closed up emotionally and went all business...with everyone, even old friends. Now if the Horizon didn't happen - the optimist would stay optimist, the one that tried to find comfort would not go past friendship with Jacob and the one that closed up would have been more friendly with the crew. none of them would be considering new relationships.

cheating or not cheating - that's just semantics and labels.

[Raanz]

Mylene wrote...

 to those who romance them in me1:Will you still cheat on them?
i always think bioware did the extremely lame encounter scene which could only appear in those silly soap operas on purpose for the sake of new LI.so,please, prove me wrong.

Nope they did it because they haven't told their whole story yet.  Much like Liara's initial ME2 appearance was very lame and removed.  It's no different.   Let me try and clear this up; there are NO reprecussions for "cheating" on your ME1 LI.  Zip.

Example: Oh look, I romanced Liara in ME1, ME2 comes around and she treats me like any other dude...oh well so sad, I will go after the perfect woman, Miranda.  I romance her, she gets freaky in the engine room, after the mission I break it off.  I go buy LotSB, I play the content, and viola!  I am back with Liara again.

Modifié par Raanz, 01 mars 2011 - 08:37 .

[XCPTNL]

What bothers me the most about the Horizon scene: you fight two Scions, a whole lot of Husks, then Collectors with Harbinger arrive and after all that stuff you have to deal with a Praetorian. And a few seconds after you are finally done with all those freaks the guy from the before suddenly runs onto the battlefield although he was ****ting his pants a few moments earlier and a few seconds later Ashley/Kaidan shows up. So I'm totally missing a renegade conversation option that goes like "Where the f*** were you two a**holes a couple of minutes ago when we needed you. Get outta here, both of you. I never want to see you cowards again!"

[DieHigh2012]

My shep loves ash. He was hurt by her anger, but understands that it was a lot for her to take in after two years of trying to get over his death. He was thinking about trying to move on until he got the msg from Ashley. That message let him know he had something more than just him self to protect, or the faceless masses of the galaxy. Knowing that Ash still cares about him gives him added strength to win this impossibly epic task in front of him.

[Mylene]

expanding panic wrote...

It's not cheating you were dead for 2 years everyone moved on. Well they should have. But to answer your question yes, even without that scene I would cheat on both of them

    but the problem is they haven't moved on and tho shepard has been dead for 2 years its still only weeks for him /her from the attack of the original normandy. tho shepard and kai/ash had an argument on horizon,but they didn't break up there officially.
    if you assume their relationship ended on horizon then why wasn't the photo in your quarters turned down after horizon? the photo can only be turned down once shep romance new LI.
   one of my shep did move on after horizon but she still hadn't started a new romance in me2 since none of the 3 new LIs appeals to her but i still get the romance scene before suicide mission.how do you explain that?
   my explanation:even tho there's argument between shep and VS(well,actually shep didnt argue with them because she/he became utterly dumb in speech at that moment),VS still love shep(according to the letters) and they didnt break up with shep officially(you dont consider an unrational argument as a statement of breaking up between lovers right?) and shepard should've known that.if shep really want to start a new romance with other people without cheating on the VS,she/he at least should inform VS of this first.otherwise,its still cheating.

[Destroy Raiden_]

If meeting them on horizon never happened I'd still be with Kaiden and as for Ash if she asked to sign up again I would've let her. After the horizon incident she's going to have to prove she'll be loyal and I'll sleep with a gun incase. I find it difficult to trust a woman who thinks I'm a terrorist traitor on some guys say so.

[Xilizhra]

if you assume their relationship ended on horizon then why wasn't the photo in your quarters turned down after horizon? the photo can only be turned down once shep romance new LI.

It's a game mechanic. It doesn't actually mean anything.

Also, those Shepards that romanced either of them only exist theoretically for me, but... it's hard to say, but I don't think either one of them would have moved onto Thane/Tali if the encounter had been less harsh.

[Mylene]

Xilizhra wrote...

if you assume their relationship ended on horizon then why wasn't the photo in your quarters turned down after horizon? the photo can only be turned down once shep romance new LI.

It's a game mechanic. It doesn't actually mean anything.

Also, those Shepards that romanced either of them only exist theoretically for me, but... it's hard to say, but I don't think either one of them would have moved onto Thane/Tali if the encounter had been less harsh.

of course its a game mechanic which is intentionally designed to set an cheating situation since the game doesn't give you the chance to break up with VS before you romance any one  else in me2.
just saying tho

[Mylene]

Korjyan wrote...

What bothers me the most about the Horizon scene: you fight two Scions, a whole lot of Husks, then Collectors with Harbinger arrive and after all that stuff you have to deal with a Praetorian. And a few seconds after you are finally done with all those freaks the guy from the before suddenly runs onto the battlefield although he was ****ting his pants a few moments earlier and a few seconds later Ashley/Kaidan shows up. So I'm totally missing a renegade conversation option that goes like "Where the f*** were you two a**holes a couple of minutes ago when we needed you. Get outta here, both of you. I never want to see you cowards again!"

Wasnt the VS paralyzed by the seeker swarms? :blink:but i do admit the fact that kai/ash expressed no gratitude towards shep who saved their asses is disturbing.
however,i really dont blame them,i blame Bioware<_<

[Xilizhra]

Mylene wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

if you assume their relationship ended on horizon then why wasn't the photo in your quarters turned down after horizon? the photo can only be turned down once shep romance new LI.

It's a game mechanic. It doesn't actually mean anything.

Also, those Shepards that romanced either of them only exist theoretically for me, but... it's hard to say, but I don't think either one of them would have moved onto Thane/Tali if the encounter had been less harsh.

of course its a game mechanic which is intentionally designed to set an cheating situation since the game doesn't give you the chance to break up with VS before you romance any one  else in me2.
just saying tho

Maybe they didn't want to lock those who romanced Ashley/Kaidan out of the relationship while they were running on anger and not thought?

[mopotter]

Mylene wrote...

expanding panic wrote...

It's not cheating you were dead for 2 years everyone moved on. Well they should have. But to answer your question yes, even without that scene I would cheat on both of them

    but the problem is they haven't moved on and tho shepard has been dead for 2 years its still only weeks for him /her from the attack of the original normandy. tho shepard and kai/ash had an argument on horizon,but they didn't break up there officially.
    if you assume their relationship ended on horizon then why wasn't the photo in your quarters turned down after horizon? the photo can only be turned down once shep romance new LI.
   one of my shep did move on after horizon but she still hadn't started a new romance in me2 since none of the 3 new LIs appeals to her but i still get the romance scene before suicide mission.how do you explain that?
   my explanation:even tho there's argument between shep and VS(well,actually shep didnt argue with them because she/he became utterly dumb in speech at that moment),VS still love shep(according to the letters) and they didnt break up with shep officially(you dont consider an unrational argument as a statement of breaking up between lovers right?) and shepard should've known that.if shep really want to start a new romance with other people without cheating on the VS,she/he at least should inform VS of this first.otherwise,its still cheating.

1st - This is one area where I think BioWare dropped the ball and it could have been handled better.  That said, 
the  idea you mention, only works if Shepard just has one personality.  For me, it doesn't work if you have multiple Shepards with different personalities. There is no one right or wrong emotion for any kind of breakup, argument or misunderstanding between two people. 

And I do agree, there was no argument on Horizon.  They didn't have time to argue or explain or just talk.  I'ts very irritating.  And finally, they really should have and could have let us reply to the e-mail which would have been some kind of emotional release. 

I have Kaidan and Ash romances but I'm going to use the Kaidan one, though I feel the same way about Ash.

Most of my Shepards loved Kaidan.  Tthe meeting hurt and in the privacy of their cabin I'm sure they were angry, sad, depressed and maybe threw his picture accross the room.  But after the outburst, in private, my Shepards who are adults, reasonably mature and well balanced individuals  know it's been 2 years for Kaidan and  that a lot can happen in 2 years even if for them it's only been a few weeks.  They know they are working with an orginazation that Kaidan helped her fight and there is no way, in the time they had, to actually talk to him about what was going on.   Then when they get his e-mail, they realize that he does still care and they plan on re-kindling that fire as soon as possible.  <3

But I have a Shepard who just viewed the sex before Ilois as a stress reducer.  She liked Kaidan but that's all.  She had Kaidan's picture on her desk becuase to her,  they were friends with benefits.  To this Shepard, Kaidan's reaction still hurt and she was still angry in the privacy of her room.  But she doesn't mope around, she didn't love him.   When she got Kaidans e-mail she thought well that's nice, he's found someone who makes him happy, then she thought  what - he thought he loved me - oh.    I wish I could e-mail him back and say it's better this way, I've always considered you a good friend.

I don't get the hate that goes out to the VS survivor LI.  But I also don't get people who pile their x's belongings in the middle of the yard and start a fire.  I don't play my Shepard's that way, but I don't have a problem with people who do.    

.

[mopotter]

Mylene wrote...

Korjyan wrote...

What bothers me the most about the Horizon scene: you fight two Scions, a whole lot of Husks, then Collectors with Harbinger arrive and after all that stuff you have to deal with a Praetorian. And a few seconds after you are finally done with all those freaks the guy from the before suddenly runs onto the battlefield although he was ****ting his pants a few moments earlier and a few seconds later Ashley/Kaidan shows up. So I'm totally missing a renegade conversation option that goes like "Where the f*** were you two a**holes a couple of minutes ago when we needed you. Get outta here, both of you. I never want to see you cowards again!"

Wasnt the VS paralyzed by the seeker swarms? :blink:but i do admit the fact that kai/ash expressed no gratitude towards shep who saved their asses is disturbing.
however,i really dont blame them,i blame Bioware<_<

I do too.    

Among so many other things, if they were going to have Kaidan/Ash become un-paralyzed, they should have had some of the other colonist coming over with him.  

[mopotter]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mylene wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

if you assume their relationship ended on horizon then why wasn't the photo in your quarters turned down after horizon? the photo can only be turned down once shep romance new LI.

It's a game mechanic. It doesn't actually mean anything.

Also, those Shepards that romanced either of them only exist theoretically for me, but... it's hard to say, but I don't think either one of them would have moved onto Thane/Tali if the encounter had been less harsh.

of course its a game mechanic which is intentionally designed to set an cheating situation since the game doesn't give you the chance to break up with VS before you romance any one  else in me2.
just saying tho

Maybe they didn't want to lock those who romanced Ashley/Kaidan out of the relationship while they were running on anger and not thought?

I think your probably right.  But whoever was working on this, forgot or didn't care, that anger can build if you don't have some kind of release for it and that sometimes anger can pretty much destroy thought.   There are two e-mails I really wish they would have set up so they could be replied to.  Mom's e-mail and Kaidan/Ash's e-mail. 

[nevar00]

Undertone wrote...
A relationship without something physical is not a real relationship.

lolwut?  What about all those handicapped or wheelchair bound or vertically-challenged people who have perfectly fine relationship lives?  Relationships are about something more than just physical attraction it's about how you feel about their personalities, which is why the Garrus, Tali, and Thane relationships work out despite not having any woo-hoo.

A relationship that relies on something physical is not a real relationship.  


To the original question, I really never had a problem with Horizon... the only part of that scene I didn't like was the "DERP Cerberus could be behind the Collector attacks!!"  I hate Cerberus as much as anyone but come on, you talked to a Reaper ffs.  I completely understand them being angry though, you should have contacted them.  

However if you did have a relationship with them it ends off on a nicer note (they send an apologetic email) so I guess it's kind of questionable as to whether it's really cheating or not.  I suppose everyone should have and could have moved on, but whether Kaishley sees it that way... well, I don't think they will.

Modifié par nevar00, 02 mars 2011 - 01:15 .

[lawp79]

My main Shepard has and will remain faithfull to Ash, though I have a playthrough as a cheater and a playthrough with no Ash romance at all.

My problem with Horizon was not with Ashley as I think she remained true to herself and her beliefs, my problem was with Shepard and his half-arsed dialogue, lack of options and all round lazy writing. I think Bioware did try to push the player into starting a new romance in 2 and I think your average casual mass effect gamer probably would.

I read some time ago that those who stay loyal to their LI's will get a big payoff but as with alot of things in the second game it feels like "oh wait until 3, wait until 3". There are alot of things "waiting until 3" and frankly I don't think they are going to manage it all.

[AdmiralCheez]

Not really, OP. My ManShep's a player.