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[Eternal Phoenix]

Critical Miss wrote...

omearaee wrote...

Wulf19 wrote...

It's not really "exaggerated story telling" because we're only changing details of his face - it doesn't make him/her any more or less legendary. A bard might have claimed Hawke was 10 feet tall and had flames shooting from his eyes, but just changing the (possibly very minor) details of the face is only immersion breaking to me. The default face isn't so much more beautiful/heroic looking from a customized one that a player spends time on - and that custom Hawke is the one the player will connect with "as Hawke", probably forgetting about the default male Hawke. As far as I'm concerned, Hawke's a chick and I couldn't care less about commercial Hawke.

I think they basically want to make sure all players are exposed to their marketing version of Hawke. It makes me wonder why they didn't make you play the male also during that sequence so Cassandra could be like "Hawke's a woman you dolt!", which would have been worth a laugh.

Overall it's too minor a detail to get upset over, but it's kind of odd they decided to do it that way. Not really a fan of it and I hope it doesn't make a come back for future games.

Now played like that it could have been funny.   It isn't a big deal to me but I understand how it could be to other players who want Hawke to look as they picture him or her.

Players do get to make the Hawke of their choice. The default Hawke gameplay shows how Hawke is percieved by those that haven't met Hawke and have built up an impression of him/her. The gamer gets to see this too. What is so hard to understand, and why does this make people angry?

This actually sounds interesting and I'm interested in how it plays out.

[SirGladiator]

I don't really like that they put off Character Creation until a little ways in, I guess I understand that they did it in order to say it was all part of the 'exaggerated story', but that doesn't change the fact that its annoying to play as the 'wrong' Hawke. Exaggerating about other things is fine, but not my Hawke's appearance, thats really not cool. Its definitely something Id change back to normal if I could. Oh well, I guess the good part is it doesnt last 'that' long.

[Blumbum]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

Saibh wrote...

omearaee wrote...

Only if your Hawke looks something like the default Hawke.  If not it could be immersion breaking.

And the "BULL****!" doesn't do that for you? The interruption in the middle of a cutscene with "That's not what really happened!"

You're an idiot. Like you're actually unintelligent.

Reported.

Reported for spam.

[tmp7704]

Critical Miss wrote...

The default Hawke gameplay shows how Hawke is percieved by those that haven't met Hawke and have built up an impression of him/her. The gamer gets to see this too. What is so hard to understand, and why does this make people angry?

It's possible the players really don't care how fictional characters imagine their equally fictional hero, and would rather see the game feature and focus on their own creation.

It also avoids making the fictional inhabitants of Thedas look like idiots in certain cases. The whole "oh it's public image so they don't really know his/her skin or hair colour" is pretty silly when at the same time the public image somehow manages to get the weapon specialization right -- apparently whether the champion uses pair of daggers or a sword or maybe something else is crucial piece of info that never gets omitted or passed wrong...

[AlexXIV]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Let me guess having not read this through. People who think Hawke is their character like the Warden was are annoyed at the missmatch?

Yes considering the ammount of difference you can get between default Hawke and custom , it's a bit daft. But againt the back drop of Varric telling a false version of the story , it's not that bad.

Your looks have no game value what so ever. Ugly Hawke will be just as big a hit with the ladies as Handsome Hawke. That's how little your character appearence means in the game.

Well they used default Hawke. If they used a 3 metres high, really badass looking guy who looks nothing like default or any custom Hawke and shot lighting out of his butt, then I'd laugh and get the joke about the exaggerated part. But that's not what Bioware did. They present you the default Hawke as if saying, this is the one you should play with, our Hawke, the real Hawke.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 01 mars 2011 - 10:32 .

[AkiKishi]

You are not playing a live game, you are playing a story told by Varric, these events have already happened.
It's similiar to how the Shining Force series worked. Anything inconsistent is down to the storyteller.

[Captain_Obvious]

The only problem I have with it is that I'll probably have to play through the beginning multiple times to get my character just right. But, just like ME2, that's when you go to order pizza and get a beer.

[AntiChri5]

tmp7704 wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

News spreads far faster then a new type of coin.

Coins are source of news themselves -- these who have them can show them to others, effectively showing them what the champion looks like. These other people can pass that knowledge. And so it spreads.

In fact, if you look at our own history " The populace [of Roman Empire] often learned of a new Roman Emperor when coins appeared with the new Emperor's portrait"

You are comparing a small city state to a large empire. Do you really think it takes more then a week for rumours to spread throughout a city? And how long will it take Hawke to become important enough that they consider making coins bearing his likeness? And how long will it take for those coins to be made? And how long will it take for those coins to enter circulation?

tmp7704 wrote...

Kirkwall is a city state, and it is entirely possible all of the city states in the Free Marches share a currency, since they are reffered to as a collective at times. We know that they band together during a crises.

That's very unlikely when you consider practical benefits of minting your own money, and the danger of leaving it in hands of others. For what's worth the city-states of our own history commonly did issue their own money, both for practical and propaganda purposes. It's a matter entirely different from military alliances (and for this matter, note that "banding together" still required each city-state to actually have its own, stand-alone and separately maintained army in the first place)

Having an accepted standard currency has many practical benefits. It makes trade much easier. We know they have some form of cohesion or they would not be named collectively, or band together against outside forces.

[DarthSliver]

Ok remember if your a Female Warden Sten questions you about gender specific things. He does this because his people heard about the Wardens but heard they were fierce warriors. So when you run into Sten he is surprised that your a Grey Warden at all. Then when you do missions and come back after awhile he questions you on gender specific roles and tells you what women should be doing. If you dont say the right things back you will gain negative influence with him.
Now i dont know if Sten does the same thing as a male char as I prefer to walk around the game staring at a female char ass.

[Eveangaline]

I have to wonder, how is it Hawke is the most important person in Thedas recently, maybe even ruling, still alive, and yet people wouldn't know what color they were. I mean, yeah historical figures looks change in stories, but generally not while they're STILL ALIVE.

[Emyer]

I don't like having to play a bit before getting to the CC, a lot of times I'll create a face and then a few minutes into playing I'll see something wrong with it or something that doesn't sit well with me during different cutscene angles, this makes me want to restart and do-over his face, having to play that exaggerated tale every time is a bit of a hassle, reminds me of ME2 every time I wanted to do a new custom Shep I'd have to sit through the Normandy's destruction and Shep's reconstruction.

[Sylvius the Mad]

They've basically made the opening cinematic interactive. I don't really see the appeal of this, but I don't see how it's a problem, either.

I'm indifferent to this new approach.

[AlexXIV]

Eveangaline wrote...

I have to wonder, how is it Hawke is the most important person in Thedas recently, maybe even ruling, still alive, and yet people wouldn't know what color they were. I mean, yeah historical figures looks change in stories, but generally not while they're STILL ALIVE.

He is only the most important person because that's supposed to make people buy the game. Like the Warden was the most important person in DA:O. Like the next guy will be the most important person in the next game. They couldn't advertise him as 'slightly less important than the Warden'.

[Blumbum]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

They've basically made the opening cinematic interactive. I don't really see the appeal of this, but I don't see how it's a problem, either.

I'm indifferent to this new approach.

Really you don't see how it could be a problem? You know this thread is 10 pages right?

[Jessihatt]

It's a game.. I don't get why people are getting het up about it.

[nijnij]

Insom wrote...

There's barely any black people in the game world period. This is medieval times.

1- It's not medieval times, it's a fantasy game with elves and dragons.

2- From your post, it sounds like black people just spawned from a tree hollow in the twentieth century.

[AntiChri5]

Blumbum wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

Saibh wrote...

omearaee wrote...

Only if your Hawke looks something like the default Hawke.  If not it could be immersion breaking.

And the "BULL****!" doesn't do that for you? The interruption in the middle of a cutscene with "That's not what really happened!"

You're an idiot. Like you're actually unintelligent.

Reported.

Reported for spam.

 Hilarious! The guy who has posted the same spam image in tis thread several times is reporting me for reporting his insulting attacks on another poster!

Awww, it's so cute! Is it trying to learn?

[MDT1]

Eveangaline wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

Critical Miss wrote...
Players do get to make the Hawke of their choice. The default Hawke gameplay shows how Hawke is percieved by those that haven't met Hawke and have built up an impression of him. The gamer gets to see this too. What is so hard to understand, and why does this make poeople angry?

Because race is a sensitive issue.

If they had disallowed ALL choice including class and gender it would have been better and more easily defended ...

Seriously, how are people not seeing the problem that the epic hero must be white? Otherwise clearly they are not epic and legendary.

Seriously, this is the worst act of discrimination since they deleted Rufus the 13. apostle from the bible because he was black!


This whole discussion reminds me that its just impossible to do anything different than usual as a game designer without offending someone ^^

[GustavtheGreat]

Fereldan is prolly over 90% white, thus the choice to make him white. Wouldn't it be racist to white people if they made him black in the beginning? Honestly why is this becoming a race thing? They made the choices in the beginning as basic as possible are you male or female, are you rogue, warrior, or mage. I don't understand why we are crying about this, My Hawke is a healer but in the legend had him shooting fire balls, now the game is ruined for me. I saw a face on Hawke that isn't the way I pictured him, for maybe a total of 5 mins cut scene time (and that is pushing it), in a game that will be probably close to 70+ hours. The game is now ruined because of 0.11% of it he had the wrong face, mind you that 0.11% of the game is not your Hawke but the Hawke of rumors.

[Insom]

nijnij wrote...

Insom wrote...

There's barely any black people in the game world period. This is medieval times.

1- It's not medieval times, it's a fantasy game with elves and dragons.

2- From your post, it sounds like black people just spawned from a tree hollow in the twentieth century.

I'm just saying there's not very many dark skinned people. In DAO about 95% of the people are white. Only the  Chasind barbarians look slightly dark.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Blumbum wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

They've basically made the opening cinematic interactive. I don't really see the appeal of this, but I don't see how it's a problem, either.

I'm indifferent to this new approach.

Really you don't see how it could be a problem? You know this thread is 10 pages right?

No, I don't.  I get that a lot of people are jumping up and down complaining about it, but I don't really think their concerns are well-founded.

[Eveangaline]

AlexXIV wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I have to wonder, how is it Hawke is the most important person in Thedas recently, maybe even ruling, still alive, and yet people wouldn't know what color they were. I mean, yeah historical figures looks change in stories, but generally not while they're STILL ALIVE.

He is only the most important person because that's supposed to make people buy the game. Like the Warden was the most important person in DA:O. Like the next guy will be the most important person in the next game. They couldn't advertise him as 'slightly less important than the Warden'.

I didn't ask why she was the most important, I asked how, if she is so important, people would be stupid enough to not know her race? I mean, she's still alive, as are all the people who've met her, then it'd be ****ing dumb for varric to tell a story where he randomly changed the champions race. Why would he do that? People will know what Hawke looks like, and how is suddenly making her white improving the story or making it more epic? He has absolutely no reason to make hawke white for that portion of the story.

[Sylvius the Mad]

nijnij wrote...

Insom wrote...

There's barely any black people in the game world period. This is medieval times.

1- It's not medieval times, it's a fantasy game with elves and dragons.

Elves and dragons and not many black people.

[John Epler]

Guess what happens when you attack another poster?

Here's a hint - you don't win the Showcase Showdown.

[Sarielle]

Jwlynas wrote...

I love the credit people are giving Varric. Surely what we're seeing is Cassandras vision of the story as being told by Varric?

Uh, yeah, this is kind of what I assumed was going on. "LegendHawke" is just how Cassandra fills him in, until Varric gets to the actual details.

EDIT: She's white, thus she would probably fill in with a white person until told differently, if "your" (general you) Hawke is black, for instance. If Varric says "handsome" or "pretty" we get her generic idea of what handsome or pretty is, etc.

Modifié par Sarielle, 01 mars 2011 - 10:43 .