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[Saibh]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

nijnij wrote...

Insom wrote...

There's barely any black people in the game world period. This is medieval times.

1- It's not medieval times, it's a fantasy game with elves and dragons.

Elves and dragons and not many black people.

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[AlexXIV]

Eveangaline wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I have to wonder, how is it Hawke is the most important person in Thedas recently, maybe even ruling, still alive, and yet people wouldn't know what color they were. I mean, yeah historical figures looks change in stories, but generally not while they're STILL ALIVE.

He is only the most important person because that's supposed to make people buy the game. Like the Warden was the most important person in DA:O. Like the next guy will be the most important person in the next game. They couldn't advertise him as 'slightly less important than the Warden'.

I didn't ask why she was the most important, I asked how, if she is so important, people would be stupid enough to not know her race? I mean, she's still alive, as are all the people who've met her, then it'd be ****ing dumb for varric to tell a story where he randomly changed the champions race. Why would he do that? People will know what Hawke looks like, and how is suddenly making her white improving the story or making it more epic? He has absolutely no reason to make hawke white for that portion of the story.

Well maybe people didn't realize they just met the most important person of Thedas of all time. I mean what he/she does is probably not known to everyone. And I think in DA2 events of greater importance are just getting started. Anyway, Cass came all the way from Orlais so there must be something important about him/her.

[Tamyn]

Alodar wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

The way we've chosen to do character creation in Dragon Age II is a little different than what you may be used to, but I think it works fine. Try it out and see what you think of it.

Tried it -- hated it.


I don't know what it buys you really.
Folks who want to jump right into the action in games just hit default, default and start.
So the only thing gained by this method is saving two button clicks for those who want to start the action.
Those who don't are force to play 5 minutes with not their character.


If you wanted to hide the numbers until later, then put up the face creation screen first, do the exaggerated scene and then put up the stat screens.
That would have gotten folks right into the game without forcing them to play 5 minutes with not their character.

I'm a huge BioWare supporter and am really enjoying a lot of the changes, just not this one.


Alodar

This.

[AlanC9]

Eveangaline wrote...
I didn't ask why she was the most important, I asked how, if she is so important, people would be stupid enough to not know her race?

They do know her race. She's human.

[Eveangaline]

AlexXIV wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I have to wonder, how is it Hawke is the most important person in Thedas recently, maybe even ruling, still alive, and yet people wouldn't know what color they were. I mean, yeah historical figures looks change in stories, but generally not while they're STILL ALIVE.

He is only the most important person because that's supposed to make people buy the game. Like the Warden was the most important person in DA:O. Like the next guy will be the most important person in the next game. They couldn't advertise him as 'slightly less important than the Warden'.

I didn't ask why she was the most important, I asked how, if she is so important, people would be stupid enough to not know her race? I mean, she's still alive, as are all the people who've met her, then it'd be ****ing dumb for varric to tell a story where he randomly changed the champions race. Why would he do that? People will know what Hawke looks like, and how is suddenly making her white improving the story or making it more epic? He has absolutely no reason to make hawke white for that portion of the story.

Well maybe people didn't realize they just met the most important person of Thedas of all time. I mean what he/she does is probably not known to everyone. And I think in DA2 events of greater importance are just getting started. Anyway, Cass came all the way from Orlais so there must be something important about him/her.

Considering some of the achievments seem to imply you can become the ruler of kirkwall, it seems a bit odd that people in kirkwall wouldn't know what you looked like. Not just odd, preeety much impossible.

[AlexXIV]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

They've basically made the opening cinematic interactive. I don't really see the appeal of this, but I don't see how it's a problem, either.

I'm indifferent to this new approach.

Really you don't see how it could be a problem? You know this thread is 10 pages right?

No, I don't.  I get that a lot of people are jumping up and down complaining about it, but I don't really think their concerns are well-founded.

I hate beating dead horses, but since you're the one who complained that Bioware didn't keep you from doing the Ilos run without the Mako ... 

[Sarielle]

Eveangaline wrote...

Considering some of the achievments seem to imply you can become the ruler of kirkwall, it seems a bit odd that people in kirkwall wouldn't know what you looked like. Not just odd, preeety much impossible.

People living there, maybe. Cassandra, who is not from Kirkwall...not nearly as likely.

[AlexXIV]

Eveangaline wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I have to wonder, how is it Hawke is the most important person in Thedas recently, maybe even ruling, still alive, and yet people wouldn't know what color they were. I mean, yeah historical figures looks change in stories, but generally not while they're STILL ALIVE.

He is only the most important person because that's supposed to make people buy the game. Like the Warden was the most important person in DA:O. Like the next guy will be the most important person in the next game. They couldn't advertise him as 'slightly less important than the Warden'.

I didn't ask why she was the most important, I asked how, if she is so important, people would be stupid enough to not know her race? I mean, she's still alive, as are all the people who've met her, then it'd be ****ing dumb for varric to tell a story where he randomly changed the champions race. Why would he do that? People will know what Hawke looks like, and how is suddenly making her white improving the story or making it more epic? He has absolutely no reason to make hawke white for that portion of the story.

Well maybe people didn't realize they just met the most important person of Thedas of all time. I mean what he/she does is probably not known to everyone. And I think in DA2 events of greater importance are just getting started. Anyway, Cass came all the way from Orlais so there must be something important about him/her.

Considering some of the achievments seem to imply you can become the ruler of kirkwall, it seems a bit odd that people in kirkwall wouldn't know what you looked like. Not just odd, preeety much impossible.

Well if I didn't have a TV and newspaper I wouldn't know what my chancellor looks like. I think the best thing you can get in Thedas is a drawing of the best artist.

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I didn't ask why she was the most important, I asked how, if she is so important, people would be stupid enough to not know her race?

They do know her race. She's human.

Alan wins.

[DarthSliver]

Eveangaline wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I have to wonder, how is it Hawke is the most important person in Thedas recently, maybe even ruling, still alive, and yet people wouldn't know what color they were. I mean, yeah historical figures looks change in stories, but generally not while they're STILL ALIVE.

He is only the most important person because that's supposed to make people buy the game. Like the Warden was the most important person in DA:O. Like the next guy will be the most important person in the next game. They couldn't advertise him as 'slightly less important than the Warden'.

I didn't ask why she was the most important, I asked how, if she is so important, people would be stupid enough to not know her race? I mean, she's still alive, as are all the people who've met her, then it'd be ****ing dumb for varric to tell a story where he randomly changed the champions race. Why would he do that? People will know what Hawke looks like, and how is suddenly making her white improving the story or making it more epic? He has absolutely no reason to make hawke white for that portion of the story.

Exactly why Cassandra goes Bull***t after Hawke defeats the Ogre and Flemeth comes flying down. 

But i guess you didnt notice that cutscene is exactly the same, just when Varric is finally being truthful you actually see the Dragon turn into Flemeth. Also have you ever throught, Cassandra is a Chantry Seeker. I find the Chantry to be villianous in Dragon Ages series, so i am glad we hear that there are problems happening. Problems that are connected to your Hawke

[Merced652]

I really really dislike that we're introduced to the game with a face not of our choosing or even a gender? So is the excuse that varric is retarded or is this another one of those things you can just hand wave off with "varric is telling the tale everyone knows."

[kyles3]

I like the "right into the action" idea, but the implementation is pretty sloppy. I can already see the "unreliable narrator" handwave coming.

[Sarielle]

Merced652 wrote...

I really really dislike that we're introduced to the game with a face not of our choosing or even a gender? So is the excuse that varric is retarded or is this another one of those things you can just hand wave off with "varric is telling the tale everyone knows."

Uh...we picked gender.

[Eveangaline]

DarthSliver wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I have to wonder, how is it Hawke is the most important person in Thedas recently, maybe even ruling, still alive, and yet people wouldn't know what color they were. I mean, yeah historical figures looks change in stories, but generally not while they're STILL ALIVE.

He is only the most important person because that's supposed to make people buy the game. Like the Warden was the most important person in DA:O. Like the next guy will be the most important person in the next game. They couldn't advertise him as 'slightly less important than the Warden'.

I didn't ask why she was the most important, I asked how, if she is so important, people would be stupid enough to not know her race? I mean, she's still alive, as are all the people who've met her, then it'd be ****ing dumb for varric to tell a story where he randomly changed the champions race. Why would he do that? People will know what Hawke looks like, and how is suddenly making her white improving the story or making it more epic? He has absolutely no reason to make hawke white for that portion of the story.

Exactly why Cassandra goes Bull***t after Hawke defeats the Ogre and Flemeth comes flying down. 

But i guess you didnt notice that cutscene is exactly the same, just when Varric is finally being truthful you actually see the Dragon turn into Flemeth. Also have you ever throught, Cassandra is a Chantry Seeker. I find the Chantry to be villianous in Dragon Ages series, so i am glad we hear that there are problems happening. Problems that are connected to your Hawke

But then why didn't she say bull**** the second Varric started describing hawkes ivroy skin? THat's the problem, there was no reason for varric to suddenly make Hawke white. Being white is no more epic than not being white, and the person looking for Hawke would already probably have an idea of what Hawke looks like.  Why would he suddenly make Hawke white? THere is absolutely no reason.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Merced652 wrote...

I really really dislike that we're introduced to the game with a face not of our choosing

That's how NWN did it.  There was an opening sequence with a guy with a big sword fighting a minotaur.  We had no control over it.

In DA2, you do get to choose the gender and class of the main character in the opening sequence.  There's no reason why you need to view that as your character.  He's just the guy in that little vignette.

[tmp7704]

AntiChri5 wrote...

You are comparing a small city state to a large empire.

No, i'm pointing out the whole "news spread faster than coins" thing isn't really a given, nor anywhere as clear cut. 

Do you really think it takes more then a week for rumours to spread throughout a city? And how long will it take Hawke to become important enough that they consider making coins bearing his likeness? And how long will it take for those coins to be made? And how long will it take for those coins to enter circulation?

You are focusing on Kirkwall when i'm talking of how the public awareness spreads over much larger distances. Yes, in Kirkwall people will know very quick if Hawke becomes the Champion, faster than it will take the Champion to issue orders to print some coins with his/her image. But few hundreds or thousand kilometers from Kirkwall no one will know nor care that there's a new guy ruling some far-off city until eventually traders bring such news back from their visit to Kirkwall. A visit during which --being traders-- they quite likely acquired some local coins they're then able to show around, as proof of their word. Thus spreading not only news that there's actually new ruler in Kirkwall, but also what he/she looks like.

Having an accepted standard currency has many practical benefits. It makes trade much easier.

And yet pretty much each county in our modern world still chooses to use its own currency. Just like they did in the past.

The old coins all followed "accepted standards" as they were -- they're effectively worth as much as the materials used to make them. And that made trade easy enough.

[AlexXIV]

I honestly doubt Varric described Hawke's look in detail. And neither do I believe that this is what Cassandra is most curious about. But since we are playing this section of Varric's story we needed a player character for it.

[Critical Miss]

Sarielle wrote...

Jwlynas wrote...

I love the credit people are giving Varric. Surely what we're seeing is Cassandras vision of the story as being told by Varric?

Uh, yeah, this is kind of what I assumed was going on. "LegendHawke" is just how Cassandra fills him in, until Varric gets to the actual details.

EDIT: She's white, thus she would probably fill in with a white person until told differently, if "your" (general you) Hawke is black, for instance. If Varric says "handsome" or "pretty" we get her generic idea of what handsome or pretty is, etc.

People build up 'legends' that are familiar and comforting. Jesus is a perfect example of this.

[Sarielle]

Eveangaline wrote...


But then why didn't she say bull**** the second Varric started describing hawkes ivroy skin? THat's the problem, there was no reason for varric to suddenly make Hawke white. Being white is no more epic than not being white, and the person looking for Hawke would already probably have an idea of what Hawke looks like.  Why would he suddenly make Hawke white? THere is absolutely no reason.

We don't know Varric did describe Hawke's physical appearance in detail. We could (as others have suggested, myself included) be looking at Cassandra's interpretation of "handsome" or "enchanting" or whatever.

[Merced652]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

I really really dislike that we're introduced to the game with a face not of our choosing

That's how NWN did it.  There was an opening sequence with a guy with a big sword fighting a minotaur.  We had no control over it.

In DA2, you do get to choose the gender and class of the main character in the opening sequence.  There's no reason why you need to view that as your character.  He's just the guy in that little vignette.

Well to be completely honest it could be a drooling ape in that cut scene or the exact character i created and it still wouldn't be my character. I also skipped NWN, having been such a fan of bg2 i was rather dismayed that i could only hire henchmen rather than party members.

Modifié par Merced652, 01 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[SirRaphael]

JohnEpler wrote...

Guess what happens when you attack another poster?

Here's a hint - you don't win the Showcase Showdown.

Oh really

[Tsuga C]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

I really really dislike that we're introduced to the game with a face not of our choosing

That's how NWN did it.  There was an opening sequence with a guy with a big sword fighting a minotaur.  We had no control over it.

I believe that was supposed to be a young Lord Nasher doing great deeds that helped to eventually put him on the throne of Neverwinter.

[TaskCortez]

nijnij wrote...

Insom wrote...

There's barely any black people in the game world period. This is medieval times.

1- It's not medieval times, it's a fantasy game with elves and dragons.

2- From your post, it sounds like black people just spawned from a tree hollow in the twentieth century.

Exactly.

Obviously, black people existed back then as well.

[Blastback]

I honestly found the whole "legendary Hawke" thing kinda silly in the demo. If it were my call I'd leave it out. But I'll wait to see how it works in the final version of the game before making any ultimate judgments.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

at first i was mad at this but then like some other poster said i decided the legend hawke is cassandra's vision of the champion