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[Dangerfoot]

Oh, sorry. I forgot to tell you that Hawke was a black man with a blonde beard and red hair. My bad.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Em23 wrote...

*please be skippable, please be skippable, please be skippable...*

Since BioWare has explicitly said that they haven't worried too much about replays (because the vast majority of players don't play the game more than once), it would be inconsistent of them to make it skippable.

If they have made it skippable, I'll be sure to point that out.  Many times.  Loudly.

[Lawrence- Mage of the Grey Wardens]

 lol at official canon Hawke being white.

I'm finding that Bioware can be so ridiculous.


BDF: "There were no black people in medieval Europe so there weren't any in Dragon Age."

Me: But there was dragons???


BDF: *silence*

[Adhin]

While I would prefer it being prior to exaggerated, the argument its silly people would assume, with out hearing any details Hawke (from Fereldan) isn't a white dude would be pretty silly. Are there other human-races in Fereldan? ones that aren't basically anglo-whities? Sure! but thats not the norm, thats the base of what Fereldan is based off of so with out 'explaining' it, people 'assuming' would be the most likely thing.

If they did the same thing based off Antivan or Rivin-whatever, then yeah would be a bit more awkward.

Still wish it was prior to, just so I can get it out of the way and continue playing after the bull****. Also would make it easier to re-start after messnig up the face horribly which I know I'll do few times before settling on something.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Lawrence- Mage of the Grey Wardens wrote...

 lol at official canon Hawke being white.

I'm finding that Bioware can be so ridiculous.

BDF: "There were no black people in medieval Europe so there weren't any in Dragon Age."

Me: But there was dragons???

BDF: *silence*

That particular line of reasoning has been soundly defeated already.  You might want to read teh thread.

There's no need to appeal to the real world.  We needd only appeal to Thedas, and Thedas is pretty low on black people.  If you want to take issue with that creative decision, go ahead, but that's a different debate.

[JoltDealer]

The way I see it, they could have encased Hawke in armor. They did it with Darth Revan and they could have done it with Hawke and even whichever sibling is there. They could have done this in a way to avoid this exact situation. The fact is, Bioware chose not to. Now while I typically stand with Bioware, this is something that they chose to do despite the availability of other options. They obviously can't fix it by next week, but think next time Bioware. You know your community and you knew this could happen.

[Lawrence- Mage of the Grey Wardens]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Lawrence- Mage of the Grey Wardens wrote...

 lol at official canon Hawke being white.

I'm finding that Bioware can be so ridiculous.

BDF: "There were no black people in medieval Europe so there weren't any in Dragon Age."

Me: But there was dragons???

BDF: *silence*

That particular line of reasoning has been soundly defeated already.  You might want to read teh thread.

There's no need to appeal to the real world.  We needd only appeal to Thedas, and Thedas is pretty low on black people.  If you want to take issue with that creative decision, go ahead, but that's a different debate.

No offense, BDF, but I am taking issue with the "creative decision." There's no black people in Thedas not for some historical accuracy, but because the creators didn't think black people belonged in their little fantasy world.

Judging from your response, that fact probably feels you up with joy, but I happen to think it's silly and somewhat offensive.

"There's no black people because Thedas has no black people."

Seems fair enough at first except Thedas isn't real and you have to make a conscious decision to say "hey this color of people shouldn't be represented in the game."


Bottomline is there's no black people because the creators didn't like the idea of including black people.

But defend it if you must.

"Baaaaa! We need only appeal to Thedas!"

Sheeple.

Modifié par Lawrence- Mage of the Grey Wardens, 02 mars 2011 - 11:13 .

[Emyer]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

So she managed to find out who was closest to the champion, and would most be able to find them, has a book with pictures of all the other people on her interest list, and yet doesn't have THE FIRST CLUE of what the champion looked like by the time she finds varric? Bull-crap.

Keep in mind that she calls bull when Varric tells her the popular story.  Maybe she does know what Hawke looked like, and that's why she stopped him.

What if DefHawke is the look you pick ? That's the wierdest part, this isn't some exaggeration of a super badass mithical Hawke, it's just DefHawke's face, a face that is set to default the second you enter the CC, so the whole "Varric made up his appearance" angle doesn't work since that may very be what Hawke looks like.

[DLaren]

Assuming it's true that we have to use default Hawke before we can use the "real" champion, this is very disappointing.

As a gamer who happens to be black, I've gotten used to getting shafted in regards to representation in video-games (especially RPG's), but for some reason, I guess I expected this new decade of gaming to start with a bit more foresight and inclusiveness from a company like Bioware.

Hopefully the real game will not be presented in the same manner as the demo. *crosses fingers*

Modifié par DLaren, 02 mars 2011 - 11:49 .

[Wynne]

All I care about is there being an autosave between completion of the exaggerated legend portion and the actual beginning of the character creation process. Preferably one directly afterward as well.

If the former isn't in, I just know I'm going to be tearing my hair out.

[RVallant]

If they use the 'legend' throughout the game then having a custom Hawke would really let you know when Varric is making crap up. If they don't, then yeah it's a bit pointless.

[Tleining]

FearTheLiving wrote...

Tleining wrote...
oh, @ FearTheLiving
"At least that wouldn't be stepping on any sort of immersion."
yes it would

Thanks for the uesless response with no info added as to why it would. The only thing that would be breaking the immersion is what is already in the game with Varrik and Cassandra. That and the siblings but just give them the same armor has Hawke where you can't see them either.

aren't you doing the same? Several people have given explanations, as to why you see Hawkes face. Why it works with the story. But you don't accept that. You don't like the way it's set up, because it's breaking immersion for you. That's your opinion, nothing more, and guess what. Other people have different opinions.
Hypothetically: Do you really believe, that if bioware would have done the cloaking thing, no-one would have complained?

But fine: Varric is telling the legendary Story of a Champion. In it, Hawke was born a champion, walking through the Darkspawn Horde without caring how many Darkspawn were silly enough to get in his/her way.
So now imagine a description for that hero.
A: "Hawke was standing on the battlefield, the slaughtered bodies of a thousand Darkspawn surrounding him/her. With a smile on the lips, a breeze rustling his/her hair, he/she set off towards Kirkwall, where the Champion would make his/her mark on the world."
B: "Hawke was standing on the battlefield, the slaughtered bodies of a thousand Darkspawn surrounding him/her. The mask hiding his/her face, he/she set off towards Kirkwall, where the Champion would make his/her mark on the world."

So which of these two seems more heroic to you? Mind you, heroic, not mysterious. When playing the demo, i was constantly reminded of Cailan, in his massive armor, hair flowing in the wind, "Glorious".

The hidden face worked in ME2, because we already knew what our character looked like. But for the first glance at the Champion, the beginning of the Legend? So now i say, masking Hawke would break immersion for me, and no matter what examples you bring, i will stand by that. Makes for a viable point, yes?

[NKKKK]

Varric: Hawke was this very handsome white guy with a beard.
Cassandra:....You sure?
Varric:Ja
Cassandra: You sure he wasn't of a dark complexion?
Varric: Nein

[popoBer]

Varric: "Hawke was this great, rugged, white, dark haired man-
Cassandra: "You sure?"
Varric: "Ye."
Cassandra: "stares"
Varric: "Alright, Hawke was a chick."

[popoBer]

Tleining wrote...

aren't you doing the same? Several people have given explanations, as to why you see Hawkes face. Why it works with the story. But you don't accept that. You don't like the way it's set up, because it's breaking immersion for you. That's your opinion, nothing more, and guess what. Other people have different opinions.
Hypothetically: Do you really believe, that if bioware would have done the cloaking thing, no-one would have complained?

But fine: Varric is telling the legendary Story of a Champion. In it, Hawke was born a champion, walking through the Darkspawn Horde without caring how many Darkspawn were silly enough to get in his/her way.
So now imagine a description for that hero.
A: "Hawke was standing on the battlefield, the slaughtered bodies of a thousand Darkspawn surrounding him/her. With a smile on the lips, a breeze rustling his/her hair, he/she set off towards Kirkwall, where the Champion would make his/her mark on the world."
B: "Hawke was standing on the battlefield, the slaughtered bodies of a thousand Darkspawn surrounding him/her. The mask hiding his/her face, he/she set off towards Kirkwall, where the Champion would make his/her mark on the world."

So which of these two seems more heroic to you? Mind you, heroic, not mysterious. When playing the demo, i was constantly reminded of Cailan, in his massive armor, hair flowing in the wind, "Glorious".

The hidden face worked in ME2, because we already knew what our character looked like. But for the first glance at the Champion, the beginning of the Legend? So now i say, masking Hawke would break immersion for me, and no matter what examples you bring, i will stand by that. Makes for a viable point, yes?

I don't really know your discussion, but I'll assume it's something about masks/hidden faces, so I'll add this:

Awww, but I really like masks...

[AkiKishi]

Hawke is pre-gen, yes they let you choose what he looks like, but it has no influence on the game. You are just seeing that in very stark reality at the begining of the game. Hawke is also going to do stuff in cutscenes you are going to hate.

[Himromen]

 How did this become a racial discussion??People have already made the comparison but you seriously think Jesus looked likeTHIS
or 
THIS
??

Probably more like THIS

What happens in the beginning is probably the listeners immagination while hearing the story. Hell, when I read the first Harry Potter book as a kid I thought Dumbledore looked like a troll with big nose and ears and everything the first couple of chapters lol.

And what about everyone shorter than 150cm??
THEY should be upset you won't be able to play as a Dwarf!!

Come on people...

(PS: not trying to offend anyone, just showing how ridiculous this discussion is.)

Modifié par Himromen, 02 mars 2011 - 01:45 .

[AkiKishi]

Himromen wrote...

 How did this become a racial discussion??People have already made the comparison but you seriously think Jesus looked likeTHIS
or 
THIS
??

Probably more like THIS

What happens in the beginning is probably the listeners immagination while hearing the story. Hell, when I read the first Harry Potter book as a kid I thought Dumbledore looked like a troll with big nose and ears and everything the first couple of chapters lol.

And what about everyone shorter than 150cm??
THEY should be upset you won't be able to play as a Dwarf!!

Come on people...

(PS: not trying to offend anyone, just showing how ridiculous this discussion is.)

This is why JRPGs which are very cinematic always use a fixed protagonists

[NKKKK]

Himromen wrote...

 How did this become a racial discussion??People have already made the comparison but you seriously think Jesus looked likeTHIS
or 
THIS
??

Probably more like THIS

What happens in the beginning is probably the listeners immagination while hearing the story. Hell, when I read the first Harry Potter book as a kid I thought Dumbledore looked like a troll with big nose and ears and everything the first couple of chapters lol.

And what about everyone shorter than 150cm??
THEY should be upset you won't be able to play as a Dwarf!!

Come on people...

(PS: not trying to offend anyone, just showing how ridiculous this discussion is.)

A two millenium old figure versus talking about a dude you knew for ten years? It would make sense if this was 100 years in the future.

[Himromen]

NKKKK wrote...

Himromen wrote...

 How did this become a racial discussion??People have already made the comparison but you seriously think Jesus looked likeTHIS
or 
THIS
??

Probably more like THIS

What happens in the beginning is probably the listeners immagination while hearing the story. Hell, when I read the first Harry Potter book as a kid I thought Dumbledore looked like a troll with big nose and ears and everything the first couple of chapters lol.

And what about everyone shorter than 150cm??
THEY should be upset you won't be able to play as a Dwarf!!

Come on people...

(PS: not trying to offend anyone, just showing how ridiculous this discussion is.)

A two millenium old figure versus talking about a dude you knew for ten years? It would make sense if this was 100 years in the future.

I agree, but as I said.

"What happens in the beginning is probably the listeners immagination while hearing the story."
Maybe Varric never described how Hawke looked like, therefore the listener just immagined how Hawke looked like while listening to the story.
Legends are legends, and during times where there were no photos and technology that we have today, people just heard about these great people or "heroes". You know, "word of mouth".
Think about someone really famous during recent years, that have done something extraordinary, but you didnt have photos or videos and all that. He/she lives on the other side of the world. You have never met this person. You would have immagined how a person like this looks like.

Then, when Varric starts telling the true story, he obviously goes into more detail (lothering burning, ostaghar etc.) so he probably described his looks too, or maybe we see it from his perspective.

My main point was that making this a racial discussion is stupid.

[In Exile]

Whatever the rationalizaton is, playing for any amount of time with what is effectively the ''wrong'' (if you want to customize the face) Hawke face is really, really annoying. I don't buy the justification that this is just Varric's fabricaton for how Hawke looks - it's not as if the face is consistent in the exaggeration section (so the whole thing isn't set up for a wow, I thought you were taller moment). It's just, for whatever reason, Bioware decided that an action tutorial comes before the CC.

[popoBer]

Am I the only one who feels having to go through the prologue everytime you see you cheek is too thin in certain lighting is plain annoying?

[TheCreeper]

Thedas doesn't exactly have photographs or anything to really tell Cassandra what hawke looks like so I imagine if Hawke has become a semi-legendary figure the public image of him/her would be very generic.

[sheppard7]

Stanley Woo wrote...

The way we've chosen to do character creation in Dragon Age II is a little different than what you may be used to, but I think it works fine. Try it out and see what you think of it.

Stopped on this thread once I hit this replay.

Telling us to try it out... err... um... WHAT? That's why you guys gave us that thing called the demo, remember? And this thread was made after playing said demo.

[Dragoonlordz]

So I just bought a car, does that mean the car company should cater to my desires now?

Of course it bloody well doesn't. Grow up and get rid of your sense of self-entitlement.

Bioware do not "owe" us anything. They should listen to fans on occasion to see what people want, because it is good business practice, that doesn't mean we are entitled to have our suggestions taken on board.

Actually it does if they want our money.

P.s. Cars do come with optional extras and if bought new can customise your choice in fair amount of cases from colour and interior, wheels and extras.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 mars 2011 - 02:45 .