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[meeho]

wait.... you have to play as the default hawke before you get to customize her? thats retarded

[jooter]

TheCreeper wrote...

Thedas doesn't exactly have photographs or anything to really tell Cassandra what hawke looks like so I imagine if Hawke has become a semi-legendary figure the public image of him/her would be very generic.

^this

Also I like to think of it as Varric's FU to Cassandra for hitting his face with that Book about the Legend of the Champion mocking her and telling her the story as it is written on the book with all the flair and exageration authors usually add in.

Just wonderin if there are more of these exageration as the game progresses?

[Dragoonlordz]

Since BioWare has explicitly said that they haven't worried too much about replays (because the vast majority of players don't play the game more than once), it would be inconsistent of them to make it skippable.

If they have made it skippable, I'll be sure to point that out.  Many times.  Loudly.

IF Bioware actually believes people do not play the game they spend around £30-60 on more than once then no offense but they are  idiots. The majority of people do tend to play more than once in order to see as much as possible and get their moneys worth, it's only the few players that do the opposite not "most". If they actually believe that "most" don't then they need to pull their heads out the sand and ignore the few idiots who claim that most people only play once as they are the minority not the majority no matter how vocal they are on the forums. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[Elvis_Mazur]

I think it's very idiot to force anyone to play the default character before being able to customize your own.

Even with the whole "Varric is lying" excuse I can't accept. It breaks continuity for me.

[Ziggeh]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

IF Bioware actually believes people do not play the game they spend around £30-60 on more than once then no offense but they are  idiots. The majority of people do tend to play more than once in order to see as much as possible and get their moneys worth, it's only the few players that do the opposite not "most".

They literally have data. It's not a belief, it's factual.

[DPB]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

IF Bioware actually believes people do not play the game they spend around £30-60 on more than once then no offense but they are  idiots. The majority of people do tend to play more than once in order to see as much as possible and get their moneys worth, it's only the few players that do the opposite not "most". If they actually believe that "most" don't then they need to pull their heads out the sand and ignore the few idiots who claim that most people only play once as they are the minority not the majority no matter how vocal they are on the forums. 

It's not simply a case of believing it, they have statistics gathered from the gameplay feedback option in both DAO and ME2

[Dragoonlordz]

Ziggeh wrote...
They literally have data. It's not a belief, it's factual.

Nonsense. Wheres this fake data?

If it does turn out to be true that people play (Bioware) games and throw them away or sell them used then that speaks more about the quality of titles brought out by company and how stupid people are to throw away money on something they should of rented in the first place.

I know noone who buys a game and plays it only once. Even yourself who has 5 player profiles so you too are not one of those people who only plays once and I have yet to see someone who does. I trust that IGN article as far as I can throw a 650lb fat woman. How convenient that they say "roughly 50%", it stinks of misinformation to me or lack of real data. I stick by my comment either Bioware has started making extremely bad choices in how they make games (if) people only play them once, or how stupid people are to buy a game and only play once if thats what they do instead of renting. 

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 mars 2011 - 03:22 .

[DPB]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ziggeh wrote...
They literally have data. It's not a belief, it's factual.

Nonsense. Wheres this fake data?

See my post. In DAO and ME2 there's an option to upload gameplay data to Bioware. AFAIK, it's enabled by default.

Also, there's an article about it in ME2 here.

Modifié par dbankier, 02 mars 2011 - 03:06 .

[Icy Magebane]

I'm actually 100% against the idea of playing as the default Hawke for even a second... but, the game is finished. The decision makes no real sense for reasons that others have mentioned, but there's nothing to be done about it now. Or ever... lol... it's not like they actually listen to forum opinions anyway... but if it's as short as it was in the demo, and if you don't have to see default Hawke again during a playthrough, it's just a matter of skipping the dialogue and slogging through the fights. Which are very short.

But if Varric starts "exaggerating" later in the story and turning my custom Hawke back into a caveman, that's going to be a problem.

[Wulfram]

Even if I didn't replay the whole game multiple times, I'm always going to go start the game quite a few times.

[Naitaka]

dbankier wrote...

*snip

That's why you never log into their stupid EA account while playing their games. They can keep their spyware to themselves, how I play my game is none of their business.

[FDrage]

Wulfram wrote...

Even if I didn't replay the whole game multiple times, I'm always going to go start the game quite a few times.

usually do that as well ... at least a majority of class / gender / etc. combination.

For DA:O I had a minimum of 2 starts per origine, depending on what I fancied and how I liked the orgine itself.

[AkiKishi]

Naitaka wrote...

dbankier wrote...

*snip

That's why you never log into their stupid EA account while playing their games. They can keep their spyware to themselves, how I play my game is none of their business.

Same, that's why any data they have for completion is flawed. It can't tell whether you turned off the game, or just the spyware.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
Nonsense. Wheres this fake data?

If it does turn out to be true that people play (Bioware) games and throw them away or sell them used then that speaks more about the quality of titles brought out by company and how stupid people are to throw away money on somthing they should of rented in the first place.

I know noone who buys a game and plays it only once. Even yourself who has 5 player profiles so you too are not one of those people who only plays once and I have yet to see someone who does.

It's quite true, the people of this board are the exception not the rule.

[Dragoonlordz]

One way to find out for ourselves I guess.

http://social.bioware.com/33286/polls/

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 02 mars 2011 - 03:35 .

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

One way to find out for ourselves I guess.

http://social.bioware.com/33286/polls/

Any results you get here will not be representative of the fan base as a whole. You can't really argue with what the EA spybots gather unless you want to accuse EA of manipulating the data in some way.

[Dragoonlordz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

One way to find out for ourselves I guess.

http://social.bioware.com/33286/polls/

Any results you get here will not be representative of the fan base as a whole. You can't really argue with what the EA spybots gather unless you want to accuse EA of manipulating the data in some way.

I accuse the spybots of being both inaccurate and misleading. The poll is as accurate as their spybot as it is real people the ones who own or play their games who are answering it. Just as in RL all the people I know all of them have consoles and PC's and none of them play games only once which is also as accurate as their so called spybot. Just as you too I doubt very much only played for example ME2 only once.

[AlexJK]

BobSmith101 wrote...

... that's why any data they have for completion is flawed. It can't tell whether you turned off the game, or just the spyware. 

How many people do you think get 10, 12 hours into the game and then suddenly think "I'll turn off that profile updater now"? I would imagine that to be, relatively, a very small number.

[Taritu]

Didn't they learn from ME2? The character creator never shows you your character properly, so this will mean having to replay the intro many times to get it right if you're creating a custom character.

This part sucked in ME2.

Stupid in game terms, even leaving out story issues.

[AllThatJazz]

Saibh wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...


Then why didn't she call bull**** the second he started describing hawke instead of waiting till varric got to the dragon.

A) She might have no idea what he looks like.
 He might not have actually described Hawke's appearance, and rather allowed Cassandra to imagine. Maybe she would have asked later, until he started lying.

This. And while, yes, it's true that the reason (or a reason) for jumping into the game as default Hawke is to keep the attention of folks not used to this weird RPG character-generation thing , I think the writers have done a pretty good job of working around it.

The unreliable narrator makes the idea make some sense. Varric would be a really crap and boring bard if he launched into his heroic epic with 'weeeellll, first of all let me tell you exactly how big Hawke's nose was and whether she was wearing blusher *'.  As a master of his craft, he just goes straight into his story, yes using sexual pronouns (cos otherwise he'd be referring to Hawke as 'it' while he's talking) which may be how Cassandra knows Hawke's gender.

The rest - ie Hawke's appearance, is made up by Cassandra herself. And she, like default Hawke, is a human caucasian brunette. Cassandra is a powerful woman with an air of confidence and high self-esteem, thus her 'imagining' of Hawke is of someone with whom she shares certain physical similarities (female), or someone who she personally would find attractive (female or male).



 * Really? Makeup options? You're running for your life from evil darkspawn, but have time to pop on some lippy and bit of eyeliner? I question LadyHawke's priorities. 

[Chugster]

i think i will stick with the default for my first playthrough, I never count my first playthrough as canon, I usually miss things and find out after ive finished that there are better ways to do things.

Hopefully by then there will be some cool custom presets made, coz the demo CC seems a bit limited...hopefully the full game will have more options

[AlexJK]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I accuse the spybots of being both inaccurate and misleading.

Evidence please?

The poll is as accurate as their spybot as it is real people the ones who own or play their games who are answering it.

No, it's the subset of those real people who use these forums, see the poll and decide they care enough to answer it. It's the equivalent of asking McDonalds customers "do you like burgers" - you'll get a biased and useless result right off the bat.

Just as in RL all the people I know all of them have consoles and PC's and none of them play games only once which is also as accurate as their so called spybot. Just as you too I doubt very much only played for example ME2 only once.

Your sample size is TINY. The data gathered from DAO info uploads is NOT.

[AkiKishi]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
I accuse the spybots of being both inaccurate and misleading. The poll is as accurate as their spybot as it is real people the ones who own or play their games who are answering it. Just as in RL all the people I know all of them have consoles and PC's and none of them play games only once which is also as accurate as their so called spybot. Just as you too I doubt very much only played for example ME2 only once.

That would be correct. I and people I know have finished RPGs multiple times, but we are RPG players, as are most of the people on the board. Hell I get stick from them for playing FPS games like Killzone and daring to like them!
 
But thats like 20 people out of a couple of million. No way could I claim that we represent typical gamers either.
For example, the people I know from playing Killzone won't touch RPGs because they are "boring" . Even within the RPGers I know are some who won't play Bioware games because they are "pointless and lack character growth". These guys are used to playing JRPGs with pre-gen characters.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 02 mars 2011 - 03:55 .

[SerenityRebirth]

Oblivionous wrote...

I do think that's a rather bad idea to have to play the default as the legend. So you're telling me that the legend going around is that Hawke looks like the default when Hawke could be a -insert decriptor- man/woman with -insert descriptor- hair and -insert descriptor- eyes.

I guess it can and does happen where legends are concerned, but you think they'd (the ones spreading the legend) would at least get one attribute of (custom) Hawke...

I agree. It's gonna be funny if you have to play default for like two minutes. They're like "the hero had a small beard, was fair skinned, and tussled hair."
*moment later*
"I kid, I kid. He was dark-skinned, looked much younger, kept his face shaved, and had no hair at all." .....<.< Yeah......

Modifié par SerenityRebirth, 02 mars 2011 - 03:55 .

[AkiKishi]

AlexJK wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

... that's why any data they have for completion is flawed. It can't tell whether you turned off the game, or just the spyware. 

How many people do you think get 10, 12 hours into the game and then suddenly think "I'll turn off that profile updater now"? I would imagine that to be, relatively, a very small number.

The Bioware data said 1 to 2 hours.