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AlexXIV wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

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According to you Hawke could look like Santa Claus and it wouldn't bother you? Or Homer Simpson, still fine for you? Well maybe you just don't give a damn. I would like that nothing ever bothers me while playing a game, but I am not like that.

to me, that wouldnt bother me.  I wouldnt like it but it really wouldnt be a big of a deal.  Varric is obviously f-ing with her, I could see him telling a goof ball story about Hawke looking like homer or santa.  its whatever, its false beginning no matter how you protray it.

[Wulf19]

It's not really "exaggerated story telling" because we're only changing details of his face - it doesn't make him/her any more or less legendary. A bard might have claimed Hawke was 10 feet tall and had flames shooting from his eyes, but just changing the (possibly very minor) details of the face is only immersion breaking to me. The default face isn't so much more beautiful/heroic looking from a customized one that a player spends time on - and that custom Hawke is the one the player will connect with "as Hawke", probably forgetting about the default male Hawke. As far as I'm concerned, Hawke's a chick and I couldn't care less about commercial Hawke.

I think they basically want to make sure all players are exposed to their marketing version of Hawke. It makes me wonder why they didn't make you play the male also during that sequence so Cassandra could be like "Hawke's a woman you dolt!", which would have been worth a laugh.

Overall it's too minor a detail to get upset over, but it's kind of odd they decided to do it that way. Not really a fan of it and I hope it doesn't make a come back for future games.

[Blumbum]

At least cover his face with a helmet.

[Critical Miss]

Rykoth wrote...

So wait wait wait wait wait wait WAIT.

People are getting angry that default Hawke is white? Seriously? That's what people are angry about? People are angry over a plot device, as if they have some sort of moral argument?

Read these words carefully.

Plot Device.

He's telling a LEGEND.

You know what legends are? Not real. Based on truth, but ultimately, legends are FALSE.

Let's look at what could be said about Hawke. For all we know Hawke ran around in full body armor, and nobody saw his skin color. Maybe he saved someone. Someone who is in SHOCK at yanno... almost dying? Say Hawke is dark skinned. Fine. He's got companions. So Merill and Sebastian are there. So, Hawke for all we know, could be this ripped dark skinned man, but someone saw Sebastian - okay so maybe Hawke is bald, but they associate parts of Sebastian with Hawke. Maybe they noticed Merrill, and associated a more lithe build with Hawke.

Someone in utter awe of the LEGEND, might describe Hawke thus as a lithe white skinned ponytailed hero for all we know, when he's a dark skinned ripped warrior.

Think the game telephone.

Seriously, the people morally outraged at this need to grow up.

BTW, Santa Claus is a legend, and he's portrayed as white too. Cry some more. (PS. Sorry in advance to the higher powers, this is a stupid argument that infuriates me)

People don't understand Bioware is using a plot device and implimented it into a game. People don't understand that RPGs are about storytelling, either. 

[AlexXIV]

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AlexXIV wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

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According to you Hawke could look like Santa Claus and it wouldn't bother you? Or Homer Simpson, still fine for you? Well maybe you just don't give a damn. I would like that nothing ever bothers me while playing a game, but I am not like that.

to me, that wouldnt bother me.  I wouldnt like it but it really wouldnt be a big of a deal.  Varric is obviously f-ing with her, I could see him telling a goof ball story about Hawke looking like homer or santa.  its whatever, its false beginning no matter how you protray it.

It's not game breaking or anything, and I probably forget it as soon as I am done making my custom hawke. I just don't get why they did it that way. I don't know one good reason. And you see people are bothered by it. So would Bioware annoy people for no good reason? Surely not on intention. But it's much like with ME2 and character creation there. Why do they have so much trouble to do it right?

[GustavtheGreat]

After reading this I hope they just take character creation out of the DA3 just to avoid these arguments. Yea, how would that make you feel. It's like 10 mins of gameplay, I'm sure it's exactly what we played in the demo.

Also in a world with no pictures beyond paintings I'm sure most of the world will not have seen the champion. I would say probably along the lines of 90% of the population would know what he looks like very well. If you think about it most people can't even describe a criminal to a sketch artist just an hour after a crime happened. Hell go play a round of whisper down the isle with 15 people, I'm sure the tale would get screwed up enough that the person went from black to white and from a bow to shooting a fireball from his ass.

[Annarl]

Wulf19 wrote...

It's not really "exaggerated story telling" because we're only changing details of his face - it doesn't make him/her any more or less legendary. A bard might have claimed Hawke was 10 feet tall and had flames shooting from his eyes, but just changing the (possibly very minor) details of the face is only immersion breaking to me. The default face isn't so much more beautiful/heroic looking from a customized one that a player spends time on - and that custom Hawke is the one the player will connect with "as Hawke", probably forgetting about the default male Hawke. As far as I'm concerned, Hawke's a chick and I couldn't care less about commercial Hawke.

I think they basically want to make sure all players are exposed to their marketing version of Hawke. It makes me wonder why they didn't make you play the male also during that sequence so Cassandra could be like "Hawke's a woman you dolt!", which would have been worth a laugh.

Overall it's too minor a detail to get upset over, but it's kind of odd they decided to do it that way. Not really a fan of it and I hope it doesn't make a come back for future games.

Now played like that it could have been funny.   It isn't a big deal to me but I understand how it could be to other players who want Hawke to look as they picture him or her.

[Blumbum]

Hey you can stop making braveheart jokes now you're not funny or original.

also

[tmp7704]

Saibh wrote...

How is stupid? People get into the action quicker at the expense of a story-backed ten minutes of default Hawke. It makes sense from a lot of angles.

It's stupid in the sense it's just replacing one fixed approach with another, when either of them is given to irk some players.

It's not like the option to customize the character couldn't be a button right on the class selection screen for these who would want that and don't mind doing it prior to "exploding the darkspawn"  And for these who actually prefer exploding the darkspawn and don't care about what their character looks like (or are perfectly happy with the default) there's little benefit in still enforcing that screen with sliders on them, only a bit later. Again, it could be just a button that's always accessible from character's screen, but one you pick when you feel like it and only then.

Modifié par tmp7704, 01 mars 2011 - 10:16 .

[Saibh]

omearaee wrote...

Only if your Hawke looks something like the default Hawke.  If not it could be immersion breaking.

And the "BULL****!" doesn't do that for you? The interruption in the middle of a cutscene with "That's not what really happened!"

[PinkysPain]

RPGs are about story creation!

Now that isn't possible in cRPGs, but you still have to create the illusion and hide the rails as much as possible. The DA2 designers seem to think themselves more important than the players, just interested in showing off their carefully constructed train set.

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AlexXIV wrote...

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AlexXIV wrote...

Rykoth wrote...

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According to you Hawke could look like Santa Claus and it wouldn't bother you? Or Homer Simpson, still fine for you? Well maybe you just don't give a damn. I would like that nothing ever bothers me while playing a game, but I am not like that.

to me, that wouldnt bother me.  I wouldnt like it but it really wouldnt be a big of a deal.  Varric is obviously f-ing with her, I could see him telling a goof ball story about Hawke looking like homer or santa.  its whatever, its false beginning no matter how you protray it.

It's not game breaking or anything, and I probably forget it as soon as I am done making my custom hawke. I just don't get why they did it that way. I don't know one good reason. And you see people are bothered by it. So would Bioware annoy people for no good reason? Surely not on intention. But it's much like with ME2 and character creation there. Why do they have so much trouble to do it right?

you're right probably wasnt bioware's intention to annoy fans but it also isnt hard to annoy us fans is it?   if anything, I hope to plug in a skip sequence for the beginning.  After One playthrough Im not too interested to play false beginning part.

However, Mass Effect 2 did this with Shepard wearing a helmet and the normandy blew up then we made our character.  Blumbum could be right on point in making default hawke wear a helmet, for warriors, a dark hoodie for rogues, or a mask for mages. (I wish there were masks)

[Blumbum]

Saibh wrote...

omearaee wrote...

Only if your Hawke looks something like the default Hawke.  If not it could be immersion breaking.

And the "BULL****!" doesn't do that for you? The interruption in the middle of a cutscene with "That's not what really happened!"

You're an idiot. Like you're actually unintelligent.

[Critical Miss]

omearaee wrote...

Wulf19 wrote...

It's not really "exaggerated story telling" because we're only changing details of his face - it doesn't make him/her any more or less legendary. A bard might have claimed Hawke was 10 feet tall and had flames shooting from his eyes, but just changing the (possibly very minor) details of the face is only immersion breaking to me. The default face isn't so much more beautiful/heroic looking from a customized one that a player spends time on - and that custom Hawke is the one the player will connect with "as Hawke", probably forgetting about the default male Hawke. As far as I'm concerned, Hawke's a chick and I couldn't care less about commercial Hawke.

I think they basically want to make sure all players are exposed to their marketing version of Hawke. It makes me wonder why they didn't make you play the male also during that sequence so Cassandra could be like "Hawke's a woman you dolt!", which would have been worth a laugh.

Overall it's too minor a detail to get upset over, but it's kind of odd they decided to do it that way. Not really a fan of it and I hope it doesn't make a come back for future games.

Now played like that it could have been funny.   It isn't a big deal to me but I understand how it could be to other players who want Hawke to look as they picture him or her.

Players do get to make the Hawke of their choice. The default Hawke gameplay shows how Hawke is percieved by those that haven't met Hawke and have built up an impression of him/her. The gamer gets to see this too. What is so hard to understand, and why does this make people angry?

Modifié par Critical Miss, 01 mars 2011 - 10:20 .

[AlexXIV]

Blumbum wrote...

Saibh wrote...

omearaee wrote...

Only if your Hawke looks something like the default Hawke.  If not it could be immersion breaking.

And the "BULL****!" doesn't do that for you? The interruption in the middle of a cutscene with "That's not what really happened!"

You're an idiot. Like you're actually unintelligent.

You're not really helping anyone with your last couple of posts. Especially not yourself.

[Saibh]

Blumbum wrote...

You're an idiot. Like you're actually unintelligent.

Rather be stupid than be cruel.

[PinkysPain]

Critical Miss wrote...
Players do get to make the Hawke of their choice. The default Hawke gameplay shows how Hawke is percieved by those that haven't met Hawke and have built up an impression of him. The gamer gets to see this too. What is so hard to understand, and why does this make poeople angry?

Because race is a sensitive issue.

If they had disallowed ALL choice including class and gender it would have been better and more easily defended ...

[Blumbum]

Saibh wrote...

Blumbum wrote...

You're an idiot. Like you're actually unintelligent.

Rather be stupid than be cruel.

You're either the hammer or the anvil.

[Insom]

I might pick default Hawke on the first play just to be consistent in the story. I don't want it switching around to different looking Hawkes all the time.

[Eveangaline]

PinkysPain wrote...

Critical Miss wrote...
Players do get to make the Hawke of their choice. The default Hawke gameplay shows how Hawke is percieved by those that haven't met Hawke and have built up an impression of him. The gamer gets to see this too. What is so hard to understand, and why does this make poeople angry?

Because race is a sensitive issue.

If they had disallowed ALL choice including class and gender it would have been better and more easily defended ...

Seriously, how are people not seeing the problem that the epic hero must be white? Otherwise clearly they are not epic and legendary.

[AntiChri5]

Blumbum wrote...

Saibh wrote...

omearaee wrote...

Only if your Hawke looks something like the default Hawke.  If not it could be immersion breaking.

And the "BULL****!" doesn't do that for you? The interruption in the middle of a cutscene with "That's not what really happened!"

You're an idiot. Like you're actually unintelligent.

Reported.

[AlexXIV]

Eveangaline wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

Critical Miss wrote...
Players do get to make the Hawke of their choice. The default Hawke gameplay shows how Hawke is percieved by those that haven't met Hawke and have built up an impression of him. The gamer gets to see this too. What is so hard to understand, and why does this make poeople angry?

Because race is a sensitive issue.

If they had disallowed ALL choice including class and gender it would have been better and more easily defended ...

Seriously, how are people not seeing the problem that the epic hero must be white? Otherwise clearly they are not epic and legendary.

I don't even think that Bioware thought of it, it was a bad choice, simple as that. No gain and lots of confusion.

[AkiKishi]

Let me guess having not read this through. People who think Hawke is their character like the Warden was are annoyed at the missmatch?

Yes considering the ammount of difference you can get between default Hawke and custom , it's a bit daft. But againt the back drop of Varric telling a false version of the story , it's not that bad.

Your looks have no game value what so ever. Ugly Hawke will be just as big a hit with the ladies as Handsome Hawke. That's how little your character appearence means in the game.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 01 mars 2011 - 10:28 .

[Insom]

Eveangaline wrote...

PinkysPain wrote...

Critical Miss wrote...
Players do get to make the Hawke of their choice. The default Hawke gameplay shows how Hawke is percieved by those that haven't met Hawke and have built up an impression of him. The gamer gets to see this too. What is so hard to understand, and why does this make poeople angry?

Because race is a sensitive issue.

If they had disallowed ALL choice including class and gender it would have been better and more easily defended ...

Seriously, how are people not seeing the problem that the epic hero must be white? Otherwise clearly they are not epic and legendary.

There's barely any black people in the game world period. This is medieval times.

[Zerakus]

Critical Miss wrote...

omearaee wrote...

Wulf19 wrote...

It's not really "exaggerated story telling" because we're only changing details of his face - it doesn't make him/her any more or less legendary. A bard might have claimed Hawke was 10 feet tall and had flames shooting from his eyes, but just changing the (possibly very minor) details of the face is only immersion breaking to me. The default face isn't so much more beautiful/heroic looking from a customized one that a player spends time on - and that custom Hawke is the one the player will connect with "as Hawke", probably forgetting about the default male Hawke. As far as I'm concerned, Hawke's a chick and I couldn't care less about commercial Hawke.

I think they basically want to make sure all players are exposed to their marketing version of Hawke. It makes me wonder why they didn't make you play the male also during that sequence so Cassandra could be like "Hawke's a woman you dolt!", which would have been worth a laugh.

Overall it's too minor a detail to get upset over, but it's kind of odd they decided to do it that way. Not really a fan of it and I hope it doesn't make a come back for future games.

Now played like that it could have been funny.   It isn't a big deal to me but I understand how it could be to other players who want Hawke to look as they picture him or her.

Players do get to make the Hawke of their choice. The default Hawke gameplay shows how Hawke is percieved by those that haven't met Hawke and have built up an impression of him. The gamer gets to see this too. What is so hard to understand, and why does this make poeople angry?

People enjoy being able to complain about anything, no matter how trivial. Well, atleast some do. It's not like we'll play looking like that for more than a few minutes, if it's still there at March 8th.

Personally, I think it's abit of a refreshing change.  Could even allow people to come up with RP reason behind it. E.g. Having Chasind features struck wrond with the crowds who created their own image of him, or him/her being a reclusive Champion, or as a cover-up to avoid the Seeker to find him so easily. Or maybe a Duncan Fangirl/boy was made to make his portrait, and decided to go with a similar look.

Not really sure it needs to be explained, tbh.