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[Killjoy Cutter]

jw163 wrote...

"IMO the changes were mostly about perception. People who thought rogues were weak fighters just didn't know how to build a rogue." - Addai 67

This. I for one love rogues. Face stabbing FTW

Rogues were just fine in DA:O. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Leonick91 wrote...

Well weapons work a bit different know, with daggers always coming in pars for example so there could be a pair of "daggers" withe a mace/hammer look usable only by dual wielding rogues, i very much doubt it though.

Daggers always come in pairs?  That's kinda silly.  Well, no, to be fair, that's absolutely and completely silly.

[ColaQueen]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

jw163 wrote...

"IMO the changes were mostly about perception. People who thought rogues were weak fighters just didn't know how to build a rogue." - Addai 67

This. I for one love rogues. Face stabbing FTW

Rogues were just fine in DA:O. 

Yes, mine buttered a lot of bread with darkspawn butter. I am very happy with my DAO Rogues and they are very happy with their butter knives.

[Moricant]

Aradace wrote...

Thirdly, it's not the name for ALL DW styles, it's simply the name of one style in particular.  Usually implementing a Rapier and a parrying dagger, also known as a Main Gauche.  The dagger isnt used so much for "attacking" as it is used for, as the name implies, parrying.

It's still an anachronism - there is no evidence to suggest that the term was used in this way prior to the twentieth century and the use of an off-hand dagger with a rapier was pretty universal, not tied to any specific school of swordsmanship.  There are a couple of extant treatises written by fencing masters from Florence - Altoni in about 1560 and Docciolini in the early 1600s, IIRC - but to the best of my knowledge they don't contain anything substantially different from what was taught in the rest of Italy at the time.  I fear this is going OT, so I will stop here, but I must first acknowledge SlayTheDragons' point and agree that Ezio was indeed a Florentine who used two blades.

Returning to the discussion of rogues, is it confirmed that daggers always come in pairs?  That is somewhat disappointing if so.  I like to mix and match...

[jw163]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

jw163 wrote...

"IMO the changes were mostly about perception. People who thought rogues were weak fighters just didn't know how to build a rogue." - Addai 67

This. I for one love rogues. Face stabbing FTW

Rogues were just fine in DA:O. 

Agreed, but some people seem to think they're just weak warriors, which is a result of building them badly.

[Celtic Latino]

Belinze wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

This class is a lot of fun to play. I'm torn again on whether or not to play the first time as a DW rogue or mage. I can't decide, darnit!

This.
And I am thinking of which paths to follow with each......diplomatic-mage, witty-rouge, wicked-warrior? thoughts?

Witty/sarcastic goes hand in hand with being a rogue. The wicked and diplomatic can go either way with the warrior and mage.

[SlayTheDragons]

Moricant wrote...

Aradace wrote...

Thirdly, it's not the name for ALL DW styles, it's simply the name of one style in particular.  Usually implementing a Rapier and a parrying dagger, also known as a Main Gauche.  The dagger isnt used so much for "attacking" as it is used for, as the name implies, parrying.

It's still an anachronism - there is no evidence to suggest that the term was used in this way prior to the twentieth century and the use of an off-hand dagger with a rapier was pretty universal, not tied to any specific school of swordsmanship.  There are a couple of extant treatises written by fencing masters from Florence - Altoni in about 1560 and Docciolini in the early 1600s, IIRC - but to the best of my knowledge they don't contain anything substantially different from what was taught in the rest of Italy at the time.  I fear this is going OT, so I will stop here, but I must first acknowledge SlayTheDragons' point and agree that Ezio was indeed a Florentine who used two blades.

Returning to the discussion of rogues, is it confirmed that daggers always come in pairs?  That is somewhat disappointing if so.  I like to mix and match...

haha ezio was indeed a dual wielder and a rogue, that's why i brought him up...
i thought we could mix and match because of this screenshot
(i've been trying to copy and paste the pic for the last 3 min....gave up)

Modifié par SlayTheDragons, 03 mars 2011 - 04:48 .

[SlayTheDragons]

Celtic Latino wrote...

Belinze wrote...

PurebredCorn wrote...

This class is a lot of fun to play. I'm torn again on whether or not to play the first time as a DW rogue or mage. I can't decide, darnit!

This.
And I am thinking of which paths to follow with each......diplomatic-mage, witty-rouge, wicked-warrior? thoughts?

Witty/sarcastic goes hand in hand with being a rogue. The wicked and diplomatic can go either way with the warrior and mage.

yup, i was going to opt for a wicked witty/sarcastic rogue

[Saber Wolf]

rogue= ninja

[pitajprofica]

rogues have gay light armors since they focus on dexterity... why cant i have dual weapons with a warrior, i played da:o with two warriors, rogue, all dual weapons, and a mage.. it was devastating.. ultra fast with two longsowrds with momentum on, waring massive armor and a rogue wearing light..

[The Spirit of Dance]

i'll be honest i'll miss the automatic backstabs you used to get in origins when you flanked an enemy.

[Zulmoka531]

I'm curious on how some of these will work with a bow. I remember, Assassin, for example worked primarily as melee (not that it was completely restricted to it) in DA:O.

[sevalaricgirl]

I loved being a rogue in DAO. A bow was my main weapon, but I also loved fighting with a sword and dagger.

[Vohnn]

It suxs there isnt a swap weapon option (you have to change manually, if u have the inventory mod), at least in demo, because hybrid builds seem very viable.

[sevalaricgirl]

Vohnn wrote...

It suxs there isnt a swap weapon option (you have to change manually, if u have the inventory mod), at least in demo, because hybrid builds seem very viable.

Really, hmm, not a direction I would have taken.  I loved the weapons swap.

[LPPrince]

I can officially call myself an archer out in the real world now so I'm definitely up for shooting some arrows into my enemies in DA2.

[Timon44]

NKKKK wrote...

Now if only we had bowstrings...

this.

[VillainZ]

Is there a skill to speed up the rate of fire for the bow?

[Gentle Leviathan]

VillainZ wrote...

Is there a skill to speed up the rate of fire for the bow?

rapid fire?

[PSBlasius]

VillainZ wrote...

Is there a skill to speed up the rate of fire for the bow?

Yup! The Specialist skill chain has a sustained ability called... ah... *does quick search in wikia*

Yeah, called Speed, believe it or not!   Does these: Attack speed: +10% -- Upkeep: 20% of stamina -- Cooldown: 5s 

Has these upgrades: Lightning Speed: +5% Attack speed and Energizing Speed: 90% cooldown on ALL abilities.

There you go! 

[VillainZ]

PSBlasius wrote...

VillainZ wrote...

Is there a skill to speed up the rate of fire for the bow?

Yup! The Specialist skill chain has a sustained ability called... ah... *does quick search in wikia*

Yeah, called Speed, believe it or not!   Does these: Attack speed: +10% -- Upkeep: 20% of stamina -- Cooldown: 5s 

Has these upgrades: Lightning Speed: +5% Attack speed and Energizing Speed: 90% cooldown on ALL abilities.

There you go! 

Thank you!

[2Hard2C]

Rogue looks... cool. Mage will still probably be the easiest, but at least the Rogue and Warrior can give the Mage a run for it's money in terms of fun gameplay wise.

[PSBlasius]

VillainZ wrote...

PSBlasius wrote...

VillainZ wrote...

Is there a skill to speed up the rate of fire for the bow?

Yup! The Specialist skill chain has a sustained ability called... ah... *does quick search in wikia*

Yeah, called Speed, believe it or not!   Does these: Attack speed: +10% -- Upkeep: 20% of stamina -- Cooldown: 5s 

Has these upgrades: Lightning Speed: +5% Attack speed and Energizing Speed: 90% cooldown on ALL abilities.

There you go! 

Thank you!

Combine that with a mage's Haste ability - which adds +50% Attack speed for all party for 10s (20s if upgraded) - and you add up to... +65% Attack speed. Given that you are already quite faster a shooter in DA2 than in Origins... And Evade... Archers are unstoppable!!! 

My first playthrough class that's for sure! A sassy Marion Hawke, sharpshooting acrobat!