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[P.Jay]

I'm not a great gamer but I've been playing through the game with the intention of not losing a character (and replaying a combat if I do). It's been an effort, sometimes highly frustrating, but I've persevered and worked out tactics with my party's combination of skills to get me through; I've played through the whole game up to the Landsmeet overcoming the combats without loosing a character.

The Landsmeet has been tough, but I've fought through against the odds without losing a character, confronted Loughain, cleared out all his allies and brought him to his knees (just a fraction of his energy bar left) - again with my party intact and without a death. Suddenly there's a cutscene, with no save option or auto-save, and it's down to one-on-one combat with a fully restored Loughain. My warden is by far by most powerful melee combatant but I get absolutely creamed, every hit of Loughtain's seems to land whilst I  hit perhaps one in four; it's an absolute no contest and battling through to this point has just left me with a handful of health poultices. There's not really much option for tactics either, I run out of stamina pretty quickly, but I don't think it would make a difference if I. So I get killed pretty quickly.

Now I'm back at the start of the Landsmeet again and I'm going to have to fight my way through Loughgain and his allies another time, defeat him again only for him to be fully restored to beat me to a pulp  one-on-one,  an so on.

I've been frustrated with major combats before and often had to play them many times over hours before winning through but the mix of my party's skills and  some tactical thinking has enabled me to win though. This hugely unbalanced one-on-one combat really does feel unwinnable (not helped by having to replay the protracted previous melee (which can take a while) to meet Loughain again and try something new. I really do feel like giving up.

Modifié par P.Jay, 01 mars 2011 - 07:58 .

[caradoc2000]

Win the vote so you only have to do the one-on-one fight.

[P.Jay]

It's the one-on-one that's the main problem. It took my entire party to take out Loughain first time around, there's no way a single character's got a hope.

[Glorfindel709]

You've just gotta use it strategically.

Who's in your party right now? What's the levels of each of them?

[nuclearpengu1nn]

always have a spirit healer

[P.Jay]

I have a spirit healer, I've built my part around a mix of skills and tactics that have allowed me to fight through to this point without losing a character (eventually). That party defeated Loughain and his allies, again without a character death but and individual member is going to get absolutely creamed by Loughain one-to-one, spirit healer or not. My warden is level 17 (I think) kited out in Dragon Plate armour with a decent enchanted weapon and he's not making a dent in Loughain one-to-one, most of the time he's just swinging and missing. I guess I'm just frustrated at having already beaten him and his allies once I have to go one-to-one, which I really don't think is winable.

Modifié par P.Jay, 01 mars 2011 - 08:24 .

[P.Jay]

I think I need to build my charcters up a bit more! There's plenty more to play in the game before I need to face down Loughain, so perhaps I'll give that a go (there's a dragont o kill for a start). I've got this far on my own, so no tips or tactics please, I'll just keep trying!

Modifié par P.Jay, 01 mars 2011 - 08:35 .

[Mustang678]

I'm not a pro at Dragon Age, but I manage to beat Loghain one on one on Hard my last play through by chugging potions in between every attack

[Glorfindel709]

Honestly mate, if you're only level 17 I'd recommend going back out and playing to gain more experience. You'd only have a bit after the Landsmeet left before the end of the game and it'd be a very hard final fight for someone under level 20

[rak72]

Edit:
because I saw where you didn't want tips or tactics. But, you need to go into the landsmeet better prepaired, win the votes, and the big brawl won't happen - just the duel.  I usualy go around lvl 21

Modifié par rak72, 02 mars 2011 - 03:24 .

[Face of Evil]

P.Jay wrote...

It's the one-on-one that's the main problem. It took my entire party to take out Loughain first time around, there's no way a single character's got a hope.

No, you don't understand.

Your problem is that you're expending too many resources defeating Loghain during the big group battle. If you convince the Landsmeet to side with you, then you'll be able to skip the big group battle and move right ahead to the duel with more than a handful of health poultices.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 01 mars 2011 - 11:47 .

[mcsupersport]

My warden rogues have killed him almost without getting hit. High dex max stealth and levels above 20 make a huge difference, or maybe it is just the above 20 th level, my last was around 22-23 when I faced him.

[war4n0th1n9]

With the correct choice responces to Loghain you can avoid the fight against him and his troops and just skip straight to a one on one.
However thread starter your problem perhaps lies in the selection of talens for your warrior.
As for the fight, you have poisons? Use them many different ones if you have activate them all, use health when necessary. Try to only shield bash to knock the enemy down, don't spam all the other talents.
Next up if you have rings that add to any attributes equip them. You have a ring that does +10 nature and the other +10 cold damage. But you as a warrior only deal physical damage, so those are useless rings.
Next up, what is your specialization? I'm going to assume Champion? So use War Cry while Shield Bash is on cool down. If you got Berserk and it's not first 3 of the 4 talents in the tree do not use it.

A good suggestion would also be to lower the difficulty of the game.
A suggestion for future characters, do not invest in constitution. For warriors strength, and dexterity for talents. Rogues cunning and dexterity for talents. Magic for mages.
Good luck and have fun.

[Big6]

To me Loghain was disappointment. With full party that fight should be peace of cake.

He didn't last very long in my latest solo nighmare run with DW-warrior. But I was 20+ level. So you are bit underleveled.

[Noir_Skye]

A poisoned blade, paralyse/stun rune, and a whole lot of heath potions did the trick for me.

[Johnsen1972]

maxe dexterity on your rogue and you can fight him naked without getting hit.

[SuicidalBaby]

lol 2 responses actually understand what hes talking about.

mate, you skipped alot of content if youre 17 @ Landsmeet. No dlc origins should have you at least 19. The fight prior should have no impact on the dual. Controll mage or Alister should have no issue with Loghain. If you cant hit him with your PC melee, you wasted attribute points somewhere along the way.

[P.Jay]

Perhaps I am getting ahead of myself, I'll try and beef myself up somewhat. I can hit Loghain in melee combat, just not with the ease he seems to be hitting me. I guess that what I'm saying is that the Landsmeet is unwinnable as I am at the moment (I also haven't managed to take out the High Dragon or Flemeth yet) so I guess that there's a fair bit still to do.

I've still got all of the 'Ultimate Edition' extra content to play but thought I'd give the Landsmeet a try since I figured that since this content wouldn't be present in the original DA:O release, you should be up to facing the Landsmeet after getting all the allies onside.

I shall persevere.

[HellsinGas]

Did lands meet just yesterday, loghain is very easy to beat once you win votes killed him with my dual sword rogue and he barely even scratched me. Riposte-stuned few backstabs then all so called "debuff's" second stun and he is dead .

[ussnorway]

'Precise Striking' will solve the (he is hard to hit) issue... he is a bit tough but until you can kill him you honesty have no hope of finishing the game any way.

[darkshadow136]

Gain more xp, and levels. Do all the side quests before the landsmeet so you have clout when you get there. carry plenty of potions. If after all that you still have problems with him download a slightly overpowered set of armor and weapon for your toon, and kick him where it hurts lol. I suggest that only as a last resort, your first playthough you should get the satisfaction of beating him honestly.

If you level your toon up and getting better armor through doing all the side quests, and carry enough potion with you, you should be fine. At level 17 he will just kick you around.

[SuicidalBaby]

HellsinGas wrote...

Did lands meet just yesterday, loghain is very easy to beat once you win votes killed him with my dual sword rogue and he barely even scratched me. Riposte-stuned few backstabs then all so called "debuff's" second stun and he is dead .

so relevant

[Alren]

What talents do you have?

What are you trying to do?

What is your stat allocation?

We need more specific info to formulate a real plan on how you can defeat him. You may just not be using your utility enough to keep him controlled.

[Sandy2009]

- If you have one point in poison you can use bombs. Some other rogue in your party with 3/4 points in poison can make bombs. They help a lot. You just need corruptor agent that bodhen has.
- Use poisoned sword with grandmaster paralyze rune and +4/5 ice/fire rune.
- I fought him as a mage although I had almost no malee skills. Just used spells. Morrigan can do it too.

If you level up you will feel stronger. If you can only hit him 1 in 4, may be you need more dex. These are tough fights meant to give you challange. Take it easy... don't give up. You can always look up video in you tube to see other people's strategy.

Modifié par Sandy2009, 05 mars 2011 - 07:23 .

[SuicidalBaby]

why would you suggest dex to a sword user?