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[termokanden]

keboo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Get Widow and have GPR.

Mattock is for noobs.

But then again so is soldier class isn't it?

Picking the gun/class you enjoy the most doesn't make you a noob. It just means you are getting some value for your money.

For me this is a really hard choice and I haven't quite made up my mind about it. The Revenant is an awesome gun. But the Mattock is quite fun to use as well, and you give up the Widow or Claymore if you grab the Revenant.

Luckily I'm playing another class at the moment so no time to have to choose

Modifié par termokanden, 02 mars 2011 - 01:59 .

[Ares Caesar]

The_Wonder_of_Thedas wrote...

Mattock's good, but annoying to use, as I find myself constantly running out of thermal clips.

If you're running out of thermal clips with the Mattock, you're either A) using the Mattock exclusively and no other weapon or not picking up clips after the battle is over.

A large part of why the Mattock is somewhat "overpowered" (I'm actually getting sick of hearing it) is because of the large ammo pickups for it. Typically you're given enough ammo to start to make it through each major engagement, and then afterwards the ammo pickups are large enough to usually refill the weapon.

As for the topic;

1) If you dont consider yourself a very good aim, or particularly fast clicker, the Mattock isnt as insanely overpowered as some people make it out to be. Its main strengths are its high accuracy which still require good/quick aim skils, and its POTENTIAL rate of fire. Honestly, if you cant click like crazy when using it, or get headshots a fair portion of the time, you'll find its NOT as overpowered as some say it is.

2) The Revenant is a great gun if you like playing medium-short range, and dont want to precisely aim as much. It can be used more accurately than some people would indicate with some practice.

I really dont like how much people act as if the Mattock is like "God Mode" when equipped. YES, in the hands of a good shooter, its clearly the best gun, however if you cant exploit the aim and rate of fire, its NOT that overpowered.

The Widow/Mattock combo makes for a very accurate and deadly headshot soldier, while the Revenant/Viper makes for a less precise shooter, but a lot more leway for misses with the high ammo counts.

Both are fun methods of play, but I think Widow/Mattock= if you want to go for headshots and precision shooting, while Viper/Revenant = If you just want to pump enemies full of bullet holes.

[keboo]

Jeez guys that was sarcasm....

[termokanden]

Yeah I know. But people are serious about this Mattock is for noobs thing I think.

[The_Wonder_of_Thedas]

Ares Caesar wrote...

The_Wonder_of_Thedas wrote...

Mattock's good, but annoying to use, as I find myself constantly running out of thermal clips.

If you're running out of thermal clips with the Mattock, you're either A) using the Mattock exclusively and no other weapon or not picking up clips after the battle is over.

A large part of why the Mattock is somewhat "overpowered" (I'm actually getting sick of hearing it) is because of the large ammo pickups for it. Typically you're given enough ammo to start to make it through each major engagement, and then afterwards the ammo pickups are large enough to usually refill the weapon.

As for the topic;

1) If you dont consider yourself a very good aim, or particularly fast clicker, the Mattock isnt as insanely overpowered as some people make it out to be. Its main strengths are its high accuracy which still require good/quick aim skils, and its POTENTIAL rate of fire. Honestly, if you cant click like crazy when using it, or get headshots a fair portion of the time, you'll find its NOT as overpowered as some say it is.

2) The Revenant is a great gun if you like playing medium-short range, and dont want to precisely aim as much. It can be used more accurately than some people would indicate with some practice.

I really dont like how much people act as if the Mattock is like "God Mode" when equipped. YES, in the hands of a good shooter, its clearly the best gun, however if you cant exploit the aim and rate of fire, its NOT that overpowered.

The Widow/Mattock combo makes for a very accurate and deadly headshot soldier, while the Revenant/Viper makes for a less precise shooter, but a lot more leway for misses with the high ammo counts.

Both are fun methods of play, but I think Widow/Mattock= if you want to go for headshots and precision shooting, while Viper/Revenant = If you just want to pump enemies full of bullet holes.

You hit the nail on the head. Admittedly, I use the Mattock as a crutch.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

There's nothing noobish about the Mattock. The noobish thing is Adrenaline Rush.

Apparently not. There seems to be a strong segment out there devoted to Concussive Shot over ARush.




As for the Revenant, I actually prefer it to the Mattock vs. big stuff like Praetorians, Loki's, etc. I dunno how it does in terms of raw numbers, but it does demand a lot less mental/digital effort.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 02 mars 2011 - 05:57 .

[Lunatic LK47]

Just my preference, but I only went with the Revenant for the surplus ammo supply (and for the record, I do use short controlled bursts). I'd place the Mattock one mile above the Vindicator, but that's not realy saying much, since the amount of ammo is not plentiful enough.

[tonnactus]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Basically, if I have the Mattock, should I even bother with the Revenant?  I never picked it as a bonus weapon since it seemed... kinda redundant.

Because its an automatic weapon and i dont have to push buttons all the time to get a good rate of fire.And it has a lot of ammo.The damage output is also good enough.

[AVPen]

The Mattlock did save my butt on a few of the timed N7 Assignments (Disruptor Ammo + Adrenaline Rush = one shot kill dead Geths) where I didn't have the luxury of wasting time, but for the majority of the game, I much prefer the high ammo supply and higher Armour damage of the Revenant (plus it's just a plain fun gun to shoot up enemies with).

Modifié par AVPen, 03 mars 2011 - 04:58 .

[Alamar2078]

Ares Caesar wrote...
If you're running out of thermal clips with the Mattock, you're either A) using the Mattock exclusively and no other weapon or not picking up clips after the battle is over.

A large part of why the Mattock is somewhat "overpowered" (I'm actually getting sick of hearing it) is because of the large ammo pickups for it. Typically you're given enough ammo to start to make it through each major engagement, and then afterwards the ammo pickups are large enough to usually refill the weapon.

As for the topic;

1) If you dont consider yourself a very good aim, or particularly fast clicker, the Mattock isnt as insanely overpowered as some people make it out to be. Its main strengths are its high accuracy which still require good/quick aim skils, and its POTENTIAL rate of fire. Honestly, if you cant click like crazy when using it, or get headshots a fair portion of the time, you'll find its NOT as overpowered as some say it is.

2) The Revenant is a great gun if you like playing medium-short range, and dont want to precisely aim as much. It can be used more accurately than some people would indicate with some practice.

I really dont like how much people act as if the Mattock is like "God Mode" when equipped. YES, in the hands of a good shooter, its clearly the best gun, however if you cant exploit the aim and rate of fire, its NOT that overpowered.

The Widow/Mattock combo makes for a very accurate and deadly headshot soldier, while the Revenant/Viper makes for a less precise shooter, but a lot more leway for misses with the high ammo counts.

Both are fun methods of play, but I think Widow/Mattock= if you want to go for headshots and precision shooting, while Viper/Revenant = If you just want to pump enemies full of bullet holes.

Honestly I'm pretty much terrible at FPS games & such but with a 70% slowdown plus huge damage bonus in AR you will easily hit the max fire rate without having a hard time getting a decent number of head shots.  Therefore [even for bad/mediocre] players like me the Mattock is so good it's broken.

For other classes I'd rather train in either Sniper Rifle or Shotgun.

[padaE]

Ares Caesar wrote...

If you're running out of thermal clips with the Mattock, you're either A) using the Mattock exclusively and no other weapon or not picking up clips after the battle is over.

A large part of why the Mattock is somewhat "overpowered" (I'm actually getting sick of hearing it) is because of the large ammo pickups for it. Typically you're given enough ammo to start to make it through each major engagement, and then afterwards the ammo pickups are large enough to usually refill the weapon.

As for the topic;

1) If you dont consider yourself a very good aim, or particularly fast clicker, the Mattock isnt as insanely overpowered as some people make it out to be. Its main strengths are its high accuracy which still require good/quick aim skils, and its POTENTIAL rate of fire. Honestly, if you cant click like crazy when using it, or get headshots a fair portion of the time, you'll find its NOT as overpowered as some say it is.

2) The Revenant is a great gun if you like playing medium-short range, and dont want to precisely aim as much. It can be used more accurately than some people would indicate with some practice.

I really dont like how much people act as if the Mattock is like "God Mode" when equipped. YES, in the hands of a good shooter, its clearly the best gun, however if you cant exploit the aim and rate of fire, its NOT that overpowered.

The Widow/Mattock combo makes for a very accurate and deadly headshot soldier, while the Revenant/Viper makes for a less precise shooter, but a lot more leway for misses with the high ammo counts.

Both are fun methods of play, but I think Widow/Mattock= if you want to go for headshots and precision shooting, while Viper/Revenant = If you just want to pump enemies full of bullet holes.

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This is pretty much everything I wanted to say. As a Soldier, I pick the Revenant just to play in a unique way, with my viper for long range target but always trying to get up close and personal to finish enemys off with the Revenant.
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With my engineer, I use the Mattock, it's such a awesome weapon! 

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Get Widow and have GPR.

Mattock is for noobs.

Perfectly fine, since I'm a massive noob, anyway.

Okay, so far I'm seeing people reccommend the Revenant more for the feel than anything else.  I'll probably pick it up eventually, since I want to try it myself, but it looks like the Widow's a more popular specialization choice.

Or I could go Claymore.  For the lulz.

Don't, it just doesn't worth it going CQC with Soldier.

[leeboi2]

Mattock.

[Gravbh]

Try this. Shadow broker mission, when the cars with mercs come after you. Have a squadmate cast overload while they're grouped up, have Liara heavy singularity them and then kill them all in the span of 1 AR without reloading.

The revenant can do that, the mattock can't.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Mesina2 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Get Widow and have GPR.

Mattock is for noobs.

Perfectly fine, since I'm a massive noob, anyway.

Okay, so far I'm seeing people reccommend the Revenant more for the feel than anything else.  I'll probably pick it up eventually, since I want to try it myself, but it looks like the Widow's a more popular specialization choice.

Or I could go Claymore.  For the lulz.

Don't, it just doesn't worth it going CQC with Soldier.

CQC is fine with the Soldier. ARush lets you do anything any way you want to do it! 



..The real question is whether enemies can stay alive long enough for you to reach CQC range

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 03 mars 2011 - 11:07 .

[Nuematic]

I loved both on my soldier, but the Revenant is more ammo efficient I have to say the Revenant if your looking for a powerful gun that conserves ammo. However imo nothing lasts much against a Mattox with shredder ammo effect from thane like one shot armor on most 2 or 3 shot a harbinger.

Shredder ammo for some reason has a deadly effect on almost anything.

[keboo]

Nuematic wrote...

I loved both on my soldier, but the Revenant is more ammo efficient I have to say the Revenant if your looking for a powerful gun that conserves ammo. However imo nothing lasts much against a Mattox with shredder ammo effect from thane like one shot armor on most 2 or 3 shot a harbinger.

Shredder ammo for some reason has a deadly effect on almost anything.

Shredder ammo sucks on anything above veteran.

[cpanda]

Gravbh wrote...

Try this. Shadow broker mission, when the cars with mercs come after you. Have a squadmate cast overload while they're grouped up, have Liara heavy singularity them and then kill them all in the span of 1 AR without reloading.

The revenant can do that, the mattock can't.

I would do exactly that on my non soldiers. and now I have to go do LSB again excuse me.

Modifié par cpanda, 04 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

cpanda wrote...

Gravbh wrote...

Try this. Shadow broker mission, when the cars with mercs come after you. Have a squadmate cast overload while they're grouped up, have Liara heavy singularity them and then kill them all in the span of 1 AR without reloading.

The revenant can do that, the mattock can't.

I would do exactly that on my non soldiers. and now I have to go do LSB again excuse me.

When I play the LotSB segment w/o the Rev. I usually gotta go Avalanche, Singularity, Warp to get that kind of effect.

Revenant is basically a heavy weapon w/o ammo problems... Sooo goood... Even when it's not the *best* answer to a problem, it's almost always the most effortless.

[Biotic_Warlock]

I don't like the mattock, too much clicking, i liked the revanant last i got it (i played soldier over a year ago).

though that's because im rubbish at controlling the mattock right, either i like headshotting with the widow for max damage, or when it comes to rapid fire id rather just slay the enemy with an autofire.

[JaegerBane]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

There's nothing noobish about the Mattock. The noobish thing is Adrenaline Rush.

AR totally breaks the Mattock into an overpowered instrument of munchkin fury, but it's not like the Mattock was particularly well-balanced to begin with.

It's effectively a single weapon that combines the capability of an assault shotty, a heavy pistol, an assault rifle and a sniper rifle into a single gun that replenishes between 25% - 33% of it's totaly ammo supply on picking up a single clip. Assault Rifles are supposed to be all-round weapons, true, but they're not supposed to render all other guns obsolete....

Modifié par JaegerBane, 07 mars 2011 - 06:24 .

[termokanden]

Agreed. It isn't as overpowered without AR, but it's still not a balanced weapon.

That said there's nothing "noobish" about it. I do think it's the gun that takes the most skill to get the most out of since you have to work to maximize rate of fire while still keeping your aim steady.

[Alamar2078]

Gravbh wrote...

Try this. Shadow broker mission, when the cars with mercs come after you. Have a squadmate cast overload while they're grouped up, have Liara heavy singularity them and then kill them all in the span of 1 AR without reloading.

The revenant can do that, the mattock can't.

With MY skill level the Revvy can't do that on NG+ with 1 AR either.  I'm confident I'd be much closer to doing that with the Mattock than Revvy.

Devil's Advocate:  I recall my Revvy soldier nuked the crap out of a certain Spectre in LotSB so there are points in the mission where the Revvy IS hands-down-the-best-weapon.

[Angmir]

I played ME2 2 times as soldier - first I used Mattock all around then in second playthrough Revenant - and I must say that after 3-5 minutes of awkwardness I would never change back to Mattock anytiem again (playing on Veteran). Revenant is just most fun to play in the whole game. The huge advantage of it is you dont have to look for termal clips anymore.