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[DinoCrisisFan]

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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 07 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[Gleym]

InvaderErl wrote...

That was likely EA's idea from the start. Get the game out, drop the price and make up the difference in DLC costs (which makes business sense since they've been trying to combat Gamestop's used game market).

I'll say that as far as other companies go, the Mass Effect DLC (at least as far as weapons and quests go) gives you a lot more bang for your buck and I honestly don't mind paying for story content like Stolen Memories, Shadowbroker and Overlord.

Capcom as of this week is charging $5 PER character for MVC3 which I think is insane, that's the kind of model that honestly scares me.

How do you figure? EA is charging $2 just to give three party members alternative outfits. At least for an extra $3 you're getting an actual new character.

[InvaderErl]

http://palgn.com.au/...-for-australia/

In April 2007 there were ALMOST in total 200,000 Xbox consoles in Australia. Again, I'm not seeing AU and EU making up that 800,000 discrepency.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 03 mars 2011 - 02:27 .

[InvaderErl]

Gleym wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

That was likely EA's idea from the start. Get the game out, drop the price and make up the difference in DLC costs (which makes business sense since they've been trying to combat Gamestop's used game market).

I'll say that as far as other companies go, the Mass Effect DLC (at least as far as weapons and quests go) gives you a lot more bang for your buck and I honestly don't mind paying for story content like Stolen Memories, Shadowbroker and Overlord.

Capcom as of this week is charging $5 PER character for MVC3 which I think is insane, that's the kind of model that honestly scares me.

How do you figure? EA is charging $2 just to give three party members alternative outfits. At least for an extra $3 you're getting an actual new character.

Notice I said "(at least as far as weapons and quests go)"

Modifié par InvaderErl, 03 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[DinoCrisisFan]

InvaderErl wrote...

http://palgn.com.au/...-for-australia/

In April 2007 there were ALMOST 200,000 Xbox consoles in Australia. Again, I'm not seeing AU and EU making up that 800,000 discrepency.

That's a lot for United States Administrative District #7 (formerly known as the Commonwealth of Australia) 

Modifié par DinoCrisisFan, 03 mars 2011 - 02:17 .

[InvaderErl]

For the UK

http://www.chart-tra...k/?i=781&s=1111

"Sales of ‘Mass Effect 2’ on Xbox 360 are almost double that achieved first time round and three times higher on PC"

[XzorshTheConqueror]

DinoCrisisFan wrote...
Go to Steam off-topic, there are 20 million threads (exagerrated) on how PC gaming is dying. We get like 2 or 3 threads like that a week.

I remember people saying that the PC is doomed since the days of N64 and Playstation 1. The platform hasn't died in the last 15 years of prophecized doom, and I don't think anything will happen to the platform anytime soon.

Modifié par XzorshTheConqueror, 03 mars 2011 - 03:56 .

[charmingcharlie]

InvaderErl wrote...

For the UK

http://www.chart-tra...k/?i=781&s=1111

"Sales of ‘Mass Effect 2’ on Xbox 360 are almost double that achieved first time round and three times higher on PC"

Again Chart Track is NOT reliable when it comes to PC sales figures.  At the time ME 2 was released chart track only tracked RETAIL BOXED sales they did not track digital sales (which happen to be where the majority of PC gamers buy their games).  I live in the UK, I bought ME 2 for the PC, I bought it day one from steam but as far as Chart Track is concerned my purchase did not get taken into account.

I believe Chart Track now do track DD sales although god knows how they do it because Steam does not release sales data to any third parties.  So even though Chart Track do now track DD sales I would still take it with a huge dose of salt.

Seriously will you guys just give it up already, there is no way to know how well the PC version did sales wise.  However it did well enough to encourage EA and Bioware to make ME 3 on the PC.  I really do not understand why some here are on a mindless quest for sales figures that they are not going to find.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 03 mars 2011 - 03:25 .

[nutshell43]

InvaderErl wrote...
Let's look at some of them:

Super Smash Brothers sold 4.17 million in the US, 400,00 in the UK. Big discrepency there, let's look at something larger. Mario Kart Wii - 5 million in the US and 1.94 in the UK and these are the TOP sellers in a year where these markets were as I said experiencing DOUBLE DIGIT GROWTH.

I really don't see what the relative growth has to do with absolute numbers.

GT5 sold roughly twice as many copies in Europe as in NA.

EDIT: And while I don't know the numbers for the UK, I do know that for GT4 the UK was less than 1/6 *of the Europe totals*.

On average US numbers are higher but the actual values depend on the specific game. The more it is like Close Range the more the US dominates.

I don't have numbers and that's exactly my point: Unless we get some reliable numbers, everything's just a pointless circlejerk. And vgchartz is just a veneer of respectability on a bunch of, often demonstrably false, guesses.

In April 2007 there were ALMOST in total 200,000 Xbox consoles in Australia. Again, I'm not seeing AU and EU making up that 800,000 discrepency.

Australia has just 20 million people. The EU, which itself is just a subset of what's commonly called "Europe" for videogame purposes, has over 500 million.

Modifié par nutshell43, 03 mars 2011 - 10:39 .

[Hathur]

Many PC gamers today buy their games via digital download (not all of course, but a growing percentage... I know I haven't bought a boxed retail game in 4 years, everything is digital download via Steam, Direct2drive, Gamersgate or Gog).... seeing as how digital distributers like Steam NEVER reveal the numbers they sell to the public, we'll simply never know to any reasonable degree how well it sells on PC.

Make no mistake though, we PC gamers still make up a minority of the gaming market... though we're growing actually due to things like Steam and other digital distribution of games... it's such a convenient and useful means of getting games that more and more people are at least trying out PC gaming rather than sticking to strictly console gaming.

However... keep this in mind... in 2007 a purely PC game called The Witcher came out (released by an eastern european game developer as well).... the devs there said they sold some 2 million units (over the span of 2 years about)... and this was a PC game purely, no console version.... and it was not advertised in the west... it was very much "under the radar" but sold due to word of mouth as to what a great game it was.

If the witcher can sell 2 million units (granted, over 2 years) on the PC, then I don't think it's a far stretch to say Mass Effect 2 (a heavily marketed and highly visible product made by a dev that has its history and roots in PC gaming) can do just about as well on the PC either 

Modifié par Hathur, 03 mars 2011 - 09:33 .

[Gleym]

I would imagine difference between console and PC sales depends solely on which gaming demographic it's being sold to, casuals or gamers.

[sth128]

I had ME1 on xbox, then switched to PC for ME2. I general preference is PC > PS3 > Xbox > toaster > Mac.
(I don't own a toaster or a Mac)

[theubersmurf]

james1976 wrote...

PC retail is still $50 if there isn't a sale going.

It's cheaper than that on steam, 20 USD without DLC, 40 with all DLC included.

[justin_sayne1]

The real truth wrote...

Sbri wrote...
CoD4 - Xbox unit sold - 1.57 million
CoD4 - PC units sold - 1.88 million

I doubt them figure's are off the xbox360 Cod4 sold more than that.
It sold more in 2007 alone.

I doubt those figures are wrong as well.  (You do realise that was a double negative meaning that you belive Sbri, don't you?)
I just looked up COD4 numbers on various sources and they seem to be accurate.  In 2007, the TOTAL sales were higher than either of those numbers, but the break down of platforms show that PC has clearly been more popular over time than XBox360 which had dropped off sharply after a while.  Heck, you can still find PC players buying copies of TF2, but how many XBox players go out and buy Halo3 anymore?

[xSTONEYx187x]

Jesus Christ, maybe I should have just asked how many copies Mass Effect 2 sold on all platforms. . . . . . . .

Modifié par xSTONEYx187x, 07 mars 2011 - 12:38 .

[justin_sayne1]

I doubt even JC could give you the digital download PC sales number ... :-D

[Wygrath]

Sbri wrote...

MajesticJazz wrote...

Common sense? Games on consoles have always sold more than their PC counterpart.

CoD4 - Xbox unit sold - 1.57 million
CoD4 - PC units sold - 1.88 million

Now add the PS3 sales to the 360 sales and it dwarfs the PC units sold.

I have a gaming rig, a 360, and a PS3 so I'm not trying to walk in here and be a cowboy for any of the platforms. It just makes sense to have options when it comes to your favorite hobby. There's no sense in trying to decry one platform over another, but that doesn't stop the endless bickering it seems.

[Wygrath]

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

charmingcharlie wrote...

xSTONEYx187x wrote...

You obviously took some sort of offense to what I posted, why, I don't know. It was a simple question. And how is it foolish to assume the the PC version sold less? . . . . . . .

How did I take offense ?  I merely corrected your maths which were way off the mark.  It is foolish to assume that ME 2 sold better on the Xbox 360 because there is NO evidence to suggest that.  There have been plenty of examples where the PC version of a game outsold the Xbox 360 version of the same game.  To just go "oh well it is obvious ME 2 sold better on the 360 than the PC" when there is no evidence to support that is a bit short sighted.

I don't know if ME 2 sold better on the 360 than it did on the PC, you don't know if it did either.  The only people that will be aware of how well ME 2 did on the PC is EA.  At the end of the day though it is irrelevant the fact is ME 2 obviously did well enough on the PC to ensure we get ME 3 which is what matters not the NUMBERS.

Unfortunately PC games don't sell and haven't been selling for the past 5 years. It probably got a few thousand purchases for PC, maybe a million at most. It's really a shame.

Exactly, which is why most gaming stores that used to have big PC sections now have like one shelf devoted to PC titles.

It stands to reason that if PC sales were so great that the industry would be trying to captialize on that. The fact that the industry has an obvious console-centric skew should speak volumes as to which is more popular insofar as consumers are concerned.

I don't know why we still have these wierdo PC "leetists" who can't grasp the fact that times have changed and there's no reason to be a snobbish gamer and turn your nose up at any platform.

[DinoCrisisFreak]

Less than the console version, that's for sure.

[DigitalBrute]

DinoCrisisFan wrote...

Here's a map of the world:

Have to admit, that made me lol 

[charmingcharlie]

Wygrath wrote...

Now add the PS3 sales to the 360 sales and it dwarfs the PC units sold.

Why would you add PS3 sales to 360 sales ?  They are two SEPARATE platforms.  If you like I could say "hey lets add the PC and 360 sales together and that shows us that games sell better on Microsoft platforms than they do on Sony platforms".

Wygrath wrote...

Exactly, which is why most gaming stores that used to have big PC sections now have like one shelf devoted to PC titles.

This has been covered time and time again, the reason retail stores in SOME countries do not carry many PC titles any more is down to the fact most PC game sales are done via digital distribution.  At least 80% of all PC games are bought from a DD service.  Now couple that with the fact retailers can't make any money out of used PC games equals very little incentive for the retail market to stock PC games.

Wygrath wrote...  It stands to reason that if PC sales were so great that the industry would be trying to captialize on that. The fact that the industry has an obvious console-centric skew should speak volumes as to which is more popular insofar as consumers are concerned.

You mean like DICE are doing and Bioware are doing and Valve are doing and Blizzard are doing and CD Projekt RED are doing etc etc etc.  The only companies that "neglect" the PC platform are companies that traditionally have never had a strong showing on the PC and they do not have the skills or the know how to exploit the PC platform so they leave it alone and stay on the console platform which they are familiar with.

Wygrath wrote...   I don't know why we still have these wierdo PC "leetists" who can't grasp the fact that times have changed and there's no reason to be a snobbish gamer and turn your nose up at any platform.

Equally I don't know why we have people like you insulting those that choose to play games on the PC.  It is pretty obvious you have some axe to grind against PC gamers for some reason.  Funny really the only person being "elitest" here seems to be you.

Modifié par charmingcharlie, 07 mars 2011 - 04:40 .

[tomztomztt]

God what a mess...a pointless mess.

In general the consoles seem to be a more profitable marked for publishers. Valve and Blizzard still holds strong on the PC and that's great. PC is not dying, but the marked share have shifted heavily towards the consoles. I think the PC will regain strength as the console generation get's older.

Did Mass Effect 2 sell more on the Xbox360 than on the PC? I don't know, but taking the average Xbox sale vs. their PC counter part then I would say yes........but seriously.....
Why the long debate? It's really pointless. Did you get to play ME1 and ME2? Yes. Did EA make money on releasing it on PC? Yes.

WHY DO YOU CARE IF PC SOLD MORE THAN XBOX? It makes no different as long as EA continues releasing and making on all the platforms. END OF STORY.

Damn the internet seem lame at times....

[justin_sayne1]

Wygrath wrote...

I don't know why we still have these wierdo PC "leetists" who can't grasp the fact that times have changed and there's no reason to be a snobbish gamer and turn your nose up at any platform.

Nice way to convice people that you are neutral on platforms. :-/

Retail stores have given up trying to sell PC games because of direct download services like Steam, etc. and on-line retailers like Amazon, etc.  Heck the only games I have bought in a store in the last 5 years have been $20 impulse buys at Target, and I buy a lot of games.

FWIW, I am still a PC gamer because I don't like being limited to the crappy cheap hardware they use to make the consoles.  I build my own pieces of crappy hardware.  My work computer gives better resolution than 1080p, not to mention my gaming rig.  Console manufacturers need to keep their costs down every time they examine their ROI.  You spent ~$200 for your gaming rig and may have gotten more than you paid for it.  I spend ~$2000 on mine in upgrades every couple of years and definitely get more out of it than the components alone cost.

I used to be a console gamer, and still have my Atari 2600 and Sega Genesis, but there is no upgrade path. :-D

[justin_sayne1]

tomztomztt wrote...
In general the consoles seem to be a more profitable marked for publishers.
<snip>
WHY DO YOU CARE IF PC SOLD MORE THAN XBOX? It makes no different as long as EA continues releasing and making on all the platforms. END OF STORY.

A great point and a good question.

Gaming consoles present a single system to write for and test against.  It provides much better ROI since you QA team can probably be cut to 1/5 of what it would take to put out a good PC title, not to mention extra developers.

Why care?  Well, the difference in interface between ME1 and ME2 was such a misserable experience because they just mapped a XBox controller onto a keboard with no ability to fix it.  When the port to PC is that misserable, it WILL drive me away from a game.  And then console users will be jumping up and down saying "See?  ME3 PC sales are down!  We win!":D

[tomztomztt]

justin_sayne1 wrote...
When the port to PC is that misserable, it WILL drive me away from a game.  And then console users will be jumping up and down saying "See?  ME3 PC sales are down!  We win!":D

Well those console users is filed under idiots, and idiots should be ignored.

Regardless I stand by my point: Everyone should be happy that they can play on their platform of choice. If you don't think your platforms version is good enough there are ways to let developers know.

Modifié par tomztomztt, 08 mars 2011 - 12:39 .