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[danitiwa]

I get that he wants the pain to stop, but not much else. Why would he send Geth on Shepard if he wanted Shepard to help him out? If he was trying to communicate through the technology in all those other bases wouldn't it have made more sense not to have the Geth be hostile towards Shepard? Having them try to somehow communicate with, rather than harm Shepard?

It might not even be worth arguing since he'd probably have been far from sane after so much torture on top of being autistic AND subjected to the geth network. But I just thought it was a weird choice to send Geth on Shepard.

Another thing I didn't really understand was what the Mech at Vulcan station was trying to do, was it trying to pull the button thing on the control panel upwards as well? Or trying to destroy it? If it was trying to destroy the eh- button, tube, whatever that wouldn't really be helping himself get out of being tortured. That would just be locking himself in even more.

Modifié par danitiwa, 01 mars 2011 - 10:08 .

[jamesp81]

I think you answered your own question: he's far from sane. David was so damaged he couldn't think rationally.  Rational thinking was tough for him even on a good day; as it was, he was in misery and he was lashing out at everything trying to make it stop.

Modifié par jamesp81, 01 mars 2011 - 10:25 .

[Biotic_Warlock]

He was frightened, that may be why he made the synthetics attack.

[danitiwa]

Yeah I guess that makes sense. Maybe in the end I'm just thinking out loud. If I was right though, Bioware is genius for making deep things like this and actually making players think. Now I just appreciate Overlord even more.

[TheScientist]

The geth overwhelmed him. The geth used the overlord VI to assume control over the other mechs and machines. David was just along for the ride, plugged into the network with no way out, screaming through video screens for someone to save him.

edit: that's just my perception of it anyway

edit 2: I think the whole thing was similar to what happened during Tali's father's experiment. A geth network was created, it was stronger than anticipated, things went badly. Except in this case, there was a person plugged into the network, watching things play out from inside.

edit 3:  what if Tali's father's experiment was the same as Cerberus' experiment... one group taking it's cues from the other.

Modifié par TheScientist, 01 mars 2011 - 10:47 .

[danitiwa]

Maybe Tali's dad was working with Cerberus because he believed it to be beneficial? ZOMG.

[Rawke]

David suffered from autism. That means he was very sensitive to any kind stimuli (especially new ones). Now imagine someone bursts that imaginary bubble of security he built for himself and takes him out of his usual environment (i.e. "plugging the overlord in", as Joker would put it). He must have been overwhelmed by the information of thousands of programs and routines feeding information to him. Imagine trying to process information as fast as a PC. And then think about how much more data AIs must process. Then try to cram all that into a single human brain. Even assuming that David was working at "full capacity", so to speak, he couldn't have been consciously controlling the Geth in the sense of (unit XY, move there, attack this etc.).

My theory is, in short, that the Geth interpreted his strong self-defense-instict as "attack everything that seems hostile" while David probably just wanted to communicate with his brother. That is speculation at best, however, as we can't know what influence the Geth may have had on him. Also, David might not have had full control.

It was hard for me to watch the endsequence and the last cutscenes, as I know a few people who suffer from autism and imagining to even consider using a family member that can't really speak for himself for such an experiment seems horrible. I am not ashamed to say that I almost shed some tears.

[Naughty Bear]

He didn't want Shepard to take his pipe and tubes gag from his mouth and in his poopshoot. He was crying from enjoyment.

[Destroy Raiden_]

David was linked with the AI the AI sent out the hostile geth to attack shep where as the bot kicking the power block was David's limited control. Somewhere along the line he must've figured out shep had a high level of cybernetics and could hack into him. I bought Legion with me so in theory if Legion pushed the button he would've been hacked not shep. I think every hostile was the AI and anything outside that was David at least up until he hacked shep then that was David he also showed shep those moments before he was placed into his holding zone. The AI understanding what David was doing sent out more things to stop him then.

[I will kill you both]

What kind of moron would put an aspie in charge of the geth...specially with that infernal machine?

[Slayer299]

Rawke wrote...

David suffered from autism. That means he was very sensitive to any kind stimuli (especially new ones). Now imagine someone bursts that imaginary bubble of security he built for himself and takes him out of his usual environment (i.e. "plugging the overlord in", as Joker would put it). He must have been overwhelmed by the information of thousands of programs and routines feeding information to him. Imagine trying to process information as fast as a PC. And then think about how much more data AIs must process. Then try to cram all that into a single human brain. Even assuming that David was working at "full capacity", so to speak, he couldn't have been consciously controlling the Geth in the sense of (unit XY, move there, attack this etc.).

My theory is, in short, that the Geth interpreted his strong self-defense-instict as "attack everything that seems hostile" while David probably just wanted to communicate with his brother. That is speculation at best, however, as we can't know what influence the Geth may have had on him. Also, David might not have had full control.

It was hard for me to watch the endsequence and the last cutscenes, as I know a few people who suffer from autism and imagining to even consider using a family member that can't really speak for himself for such an experiment seems horrible. I am not ashamed to say that I almost shed some tears.

This, 1000 times over

And I actually did shed tears because it hit home in a very personal way...

[Slayer299]

I will kill you both wrote...

What kind of moron would put an aspie in charge of the geth...specially with that infernal machine?

Having Aspergers Syndrome is a lot different from someone who suffers from autism. Individuals with AS have difficulty with social behaviour between themselves and others and also repetetive behaviours and that very lack of empathy that people with AS might well have made it easier for David to communicate initally with the Geth. There would be no emotions to color his communications with the Geth and actually making him seem somehow similar to the Geth themselves
even though he was an organic.

Next time look before you open your mouth:pinched:

[James2912]

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[AquamanOS]

I think he was just berserking really. That or the VI that was part of the system was influencing him, as one of their main goals seemed to be to transmit and spread off world. After you destroy the dish it just attacks you every time you come near something it can send at you until it gets into Shepard's implants, upon which he apparantly learns about the Normandy and tries to escape using that.

He presumably can't hack Legion because it wants quiet and trying to control over 1000 programs is not silence. Or rather it can hack Legion, but it won't because it would hurt too much.

I always wondered why David never attempted to hack the Hammerhead though. It could have ended the trip right there if it forced it to drive off a cliff or stalled the engine right in front of the Geth cannon.

[xenonproject]

haynoats wrote...

 When he cried "Make it stop!"  He was referring to the loud noise of all the collective geth that were tied into his mind and conscience.  Over stimulus resulted in his losing control.  I believe this accounts for the geth and the mech's attacking everyone.  The noise did not stop until Shep destroyed the machine or power conduits.  His attempting to download himself through the Satellite or the Normandy was simply his way of trying to escape the noise.  That's my line of thought anyway...right or wrong.

This is exactly what I thought.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I guess he didn't hack the HH because it was less versatile then a human? Also maybe he read the schematics on the thing and found out it blows up with 3 bullet strikes and then decided it was better to go with shep.

But yeah I never thought of the he needs quiet part and legion doesn't equal that.

[Whatever42]

I've asked all those same questions. I have to agree with the answers that it was just madness. I do wonder why he had to be hooked up that way. I mean, why did he need those huge tubes stuck down his throat? It doesn't make a lot of sense, except for us to visually see how much pain he was in.

[wizardryforever]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I guess he didn't hack the HH because it was less versatile then a human? Also maybe he read the schematics on the thing and found out it blows up with 3 bullet strikes and then decided it was better to go with shep.

But yeah I never thought of the he needs quiet part and legion doesn't equal that.

It is probably because it wasn't interfaced with the network.  Networked machines are the only ones you ever see him control, including Shepard's implants when he/she interfaces briefly through his/her omni-tool.  This is why he needed the satellite dish to broadcast.

[88mphSlayer]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I've asked all those same questions. I have to agree with the answers that it was just madness. I do wonder why he had to be hooked up that way. I mean, why did he need those huge tubes stuck down his throat? It doesn't make a lot of sense, except for us to visually see how much pain he was in.

first thing i thought when i first finished the mission... how does he goto the bathroom? maybe that's what the giant pit he's over is for?

[AquamanOS]

Beyond that, his midsection seems to be.....like gone. Or at least it's extremely disproportionate compared to his upper torso and legs. If they really cut him up like that to hook him in, he pretty much can't be saved.

[Rawke]

Slayer299 wrote...

I will kill you both wrote...

What kind of moron would put an aspie in charge of the geth...specially with that infernal machine?

Having Aspergers Syndrome is a lot different from someone who suffers from autism. Individuals with AS have difficulty with social behaviour between themselves and others and also repetetive behaviours and that very lack of empathy that people with AS might well have made it easier for David to communicate initally with the Geth. There would be no emotions to color his communications with the Geth and actually making him seem somehow similar to the Geth themselves even though he was an organic.

Next time look before you open your mouth:pinched:

A thousand times this. Also, I'd like to add the AS only means you lack the ability to instinctively interpret social behaviour, not a general behavioural disorder. Basic things such as body language or a certain tone in someones voice can be misinterpreted easily. I disagree, however, that someone with AS may be able to "understand" the Geth more easily.  A person with AS doesn't lack emotions, just the tools to interpret other people's feelings correctly. He/she therefore doesn't act rationally, quite the opposite actually. Stumbling in the dark, so to speak. Doesn't change anything about the central message - that AS is something different than classical autism.

[Aedan_Cousland]

I will kill you both wrote...

What kind of moron would put an aspie in charge of the geth...specially with that infernal machine?

A Cerberus moron would.

Except for bringing back Shep, Cerberus doesn't exactly have a great track record with their crackpot experiments.

[CroGamer002]

David just wanted for pain to stop.
In other words, Shepard taking him away from that place.

[CroGamer002]

Slayer299 wrote...

Rawke wrote...
*snip of well done post*

This, 1000 times over

And I actually did shed tears because it hit home in a very personal way...

Well I didn't feel like crying but I was very disgusted by that scene.
Dr. Archer is lucky that there was no Renegade interrupt.