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[AtreiyaN7]

Cuthlan wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

40/60 = 2/3 = 75%. Some of the stuff that got cut out (aka the missing 25%) probably relates to the origins, but in any case...bye?

2/3 isn't 50%... but it's not 75% either.

You're so right - my math is fail today. *redoes numbers* Let me amend that to 66% or so, and change the other thing to missing 34%!

[KenKenpachi]

Hmm last time I looked with the majority of the game finished (and skiping CS's) I clocked in at 36 hours for DA:O.

[Saibh]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Brea wrote...

I don't understand why people are so worked up about the length of the game. If it has a good story and good gameplay, why should length matter?
If the first book in a series is 400 pages and a great read, but the second book is 300 pages, does that inherently mean the second book is bad? No.

Could you tell Lord of the Rings in one book ? 
Would you rather have Lord of the Rings, or the Hobbit ? 

I rest my case.

...? You mean...would you rather have one series or the other? What sort of comparison is that? She's saying that shorter doesn't equal worse.

[2kgnsiika]

Saibh wrote...

With twenty less hours, DAII, to be on par with DAO, should have:

Words: 666,666
Lines: 37,333
Characters: 666

The amount of lines bugs me, though. A voiced character should add an incredible amount of lines. I don't know if they omitted the PC, or what.

Maybe "Lines" also include un-voiced PC lines. You also have to account for the fact that you have six different origins, which add an enormous amount of words, lines and characters, yet don't extend the lenght of a single playthrough. 

[Saibh]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Very unlikely and since half of the PC lines are redundant it's even worse than the numbers make it look

Well, the exact same can be said about DAO. But you don't know if they counted redundant lines.

[AtreiyaN7]

do66er wrote...


umm no offence intended but 2/3 = 66.6% not 75%.

anyway maybe they are planning to release twice the dlc's(crosses fingers).

Yep, I corrected my numbers. What can I tell you, I had a brain fart on that one - rofl.

[Cohesion]

[quote]Johnsen1972 wrote...

http://360.mmgn.com/...horter-but-More?
[quote]


The link to the article says it all: DA:O had about five years development time, DAII less than two. 

Personally, I believe BioWare will come up with the goods - yet to be disappointed with any of the games I've played by them, so they have my confidence.

Modifié par Cohesion, 02 mars 2011 - 01:06 .

[JulianoV]

I actually have a better time reading the Hobbit. I enjoyed The Lord of the Rings way better first time I read it, but whenever i consider reading any of them again, I have no question on my mind which I'd prefer. The Hobbit is a concise fairytale that's enjoyable and magical throughout. Its pacing is inquestionably more smooth than the trilogy that succeded it.

[do66er]

Brea wrote...

I don't understand why people are so worked up about the length of the game. If it has a good story and good gameplay, why should length matter?
If the first book in a series is 400 pages and a great read, but the second book is 300 pages, does that inherently mean the second book is bad? No.

so wait if we are comparing books to games then if the first book is 400 pages and the second is 300 then logicaly the third is gonna be 500-600 pages and the fourth is gonna be ginormus. (I base this on my love of long book series)

[Johnsen1972]

Brea wrote...

I don't understand why people are so worked up about the length of the game. If it has a good story and good gameplay, why should length matter?
If the first book in a series is 400 pages and a great read, but the second book is 300 pages, does that inherently mean the second book is bad? No.

Why I care about time? Because I loved DAO for the epic length, my first playthrough took me 100 hours and its was one of my best games I ever played. DA2 feels a bit stripped off. Faster development cycles + more DLC's more money for EA. And of course more fans waiting for new content every day. I just dont like where this is going.
Im just expressing my dissapointment.

[Sylvianus]

If the story and pace are much more intense than DAO, it will be very interesting.

The pace and storyline of Dragon Age weren't really phenomenal. A big flop at times, alternately intense sequences, then it fell ...

We can say they have managed to compensate with the number of choices available, which forces us to be curious. Unlike Mass Effect 1, where I never get tired of doing it again just for the story , dragon age, it's more to see different choices. Otherwise I'll be more tired. M2 has the same defect. A main frame not intense enough, not enough rhythmic and concentrated, too much peripheral tasks.

Then there are tons of quests useless or uninteresting in DAO. This has extended the hours unnecessarily. Frankly I had trouble finding the will to finish them all.

Sometimes it's better short. I think we will not be disappointed with that.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 02 mars 2011 - 01:07 .

[AkiKishi]

Saibh wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Very unlikely and since half of the PC lines are redundant it's even worse than the numbers make it look

Well, the exact same can be said about DAO. But you don't know if they counted redundant lines.

PC was not voiced in DA. I'm not talking about NPCs refering to you by gender, just whatever lines the PC speaks.

[AkiKishi]

2kgnsiika wrote...
Maybe "Lines" also include un-voiced PC lines. You also have to account for the fact that you have six different origins, which add an enormous amount of words, lines and characters, yet don't extend the lenght of a single playthrough. 

It says quite clearly spoken lines. obviously anything not spoken is not part of that number.

[Nonoru]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Brea wrote...

I don't understand why people are so worked up about the length of the game. If it has a good story and good gameplay, why should length matter?
If the first book in a series is 400 pages and a great read, but the second book is 300 pages, does that inherently mean the second book is bad? No.

Why I care about time? Because I loved DAO for the epic length, my first playthrough took me 100 hours and its was one of my best games I ever played. DA2 feels a bit stripped off. Faster development cycles + more DLC's more money for EA. And of course more fans waiting for new content every day. I just dont like where this is going.
Im just expressing my dissapointment.

Then play twice as much.And stop spamming the board.

The never hid that the game was shorter.No need for another thread.

[Taleroth]

The spoken lines count really surprises me. Immensely.

[Veex]

I can say I'm honestly pleased DA2 is going to be a little shorter. I felt that post Landsmeet the game really started to drag and felt anticlimatic. Longer than ME2 is just about right for me.

[Saibh]

BobSmith101 wrote...

PC was not voiced in DA. I'm not talking about NPCs refering to you by gender, just whatever lines the PC speaks.

Why would they be redundant? Unlike Origins, you're not getting the "Can I ask you some questions?" "Enough about the Blight." that worked as investigate hubs. Am I missing something?

[falconlord5]

Johnsen1972 wrote...

Brea wrote...

I don't understand why people are so worked up about the length of the game. If it has a good story and good gameplay, why should length matter?
If the first book in a series is 400 pages and a great read, but the second book is 300 pages, does that inherently mean the second book is bad? No.

Why I care about time? Because I loved DAO for the epic length, my first playthrough took me 100 hours and its was one of my best games I ever played. DA2 feels a bit stripped off. Faster development cycles + more DLC's more money for EA. And of course more fans waiting for new content every day. I just dont like where this is going.
Im just expressing my dissapointment.

You and half a dozen other people.

Should I fetch my violin?

[Mezinger]

Doesn't surprise me, as soon as you invest in a voiced protagonist, you have to cut down somewhere. If it's well executed I'm okay with it. I replayed ME1 nearly a dozen times, more play throughs than Origins... though it was close...

[AkiKishi]

Saibh wrote...
Why would they be redundant? Unlike Origins, you're not getting the "Can I ask you some questions?" "Enough about the Blight." that worked as investigate hubs. Am I missing something?

It seems you are. In any one play only male or female Hawkes lines are used.

[Kinthalis ThornBlade]

You guys have stretched the definition of Trolling beyond comprehension.

Trolling != discussing new information about the game, even if in a negative light.

[Saibh]

BobSmith101 wrote...

It seems you are. In any one play only male or female Hawkes lines are used.

But they are the exact same line, generally. I doubt they recount them.

[Johnsen1972]

I cant even express my opinion without getting flamed by fanbois. Keep it going

[Brea]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Brea wrote...

I don't understand why people are so worked up about the length of the game. If it has a good story and good gameplay, why should length matter?
If the first book in a series is 400 pages and a great read, but the second book is 300 pages, does that inherently mean the second book is bad? No.

Could you tell Lord of the Rings in one book ? 
Would you rather have Lord of the Rings, or the Hobbit ? 

Lord of the Rings was long because it had to be to tell the full story. Sure, DA2 could have been 60 hours of gameplay to match DA:O and to appease the fans, but if they could tell the whole story in 40 hours (and tell it well), then there would have to be 20 hours of mindless filler.
Besides, everyone's play time for DA:O was different. I'm sure many people will find a way to get 60 hours out of DA2, probably more.

Saibh wrote...
...? You mean...would you rather have one series or the other? What sort of comparison is that? She's saying that shorter doesn't equal worse.

My point exactly.

[falconlord5]

Kinthalis ThornBlade wrote...

You guys have stretched the definition of Trolling beyond comprehension.

Trolling != discussing new information about the game, even if in a negative light.

This isn't new, we've known about the disparity in completion times between DAO and DA2 for weeks now.